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RE: Supremacy - 6/30/2007 5:30:01 AM   
MsDonnaMia


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Ok just wondering about peoples feelings on supremacy.  How many people out there dont like either supremacy.  Yes you may be a female sub or a male sub but you feel thats just a part of bdsm.  How many people just want the same rights for both sexes.  Like equal opportunity for child supports.  Or the same rights for male abuse victims as female abuse victims.  Im just wondering if you rather have supremacy or you would like equal rights for both sexes?

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RE: Supremacy - 6/30/2007 5:30:13 AM   
Lockit


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Status: offline 		Very well said Tristan... thank you.  I have fought for father's rights since the age seventeen.  I remember when the group first started.  Our courts have some real problems that spirl down into our lives in some pretty awful ways.

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RE: Supremacy - 6/30/2007 5:32:06 AM   
catize


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Guess what?  Life ain’t  fair!

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RE: Supremacy - 6/30/2007 5:33:02 AM   
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Also it seems like in our culture right now we are just saying that only women are abused.  Yes we laugh when we hear that a man has been abused and that because he was abused hes not a real man.  But men are abused and equality should also be involved in the prosecution of the abuser. 


This is an another equality issue that is not being addressed by our society.  Chivilry might be the reason it's not addressed.  Men should be men, and society should protect women and children seems to be the attitude.  Equal protection under the law would probably give everyone the most freedom.

Tristan

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RE: Supremacy - 6/30/2007 5:33:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just wondering MsDonnaMa are you for equality or for Female Supremacy?

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RE: Supremacy - 6/30/2007 5:34:16 AM   
LaTigresse


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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

How can someone who admits to being a male supremist champion equal rights?
 
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Ohhhhhh dark you beautiful woman you! Thank you! I was just wondering the very same thing.
 
Also, a few other thoughts that entered my head while reading. Why is this not in "off topic" being my first thought. Then, unless science has done something I am not aware of, a man is still needed to create sperm. So even the harshest of lesbian feminazi's need at least a veddy small part of a man if they want to procreate.
 
As far as parental rights. It's something that has been near and dear to my heart this last year with my son and his two little ones. Fortunately the system has changed a great deal in the last 20 years. The biggest hurdle for many men is money.
 
My son had to buy another house, furnish it, begin paying a very substancial part of his paycheck towards child support, hire a very expensive attorney and give her a nice fat retainer fee (which of course disappeared very quickly, requiring more and more and......so on ) try to keep his old used vehicle runninng while his ex continued to drive the BMW. All the while she was always calling him and trying to get him to pay for other things like car repair, things for her house, day care, pre-school, etc. And as most women do, using the guilt trip crap of "if you love your kids you would do this". In the meantime her lover was sleeping in the house he bought and spent countless hours restoring, in the bed he bought....etc etc. And she was always driving 100+ miles to spend time with this guy, in his hometown, with two little boys. My son had no way of knowing if the new environment was a safe one for them.
 
Now my son being the hard working guy he is, takes the approach of anything for my kids and does not begrudge the child support and some of the extra financial stuff beyond what the court ordered. He would work two jobs if that is what it took, he actually does three. His main concern is the safety and wellbeing of two little ones. It has been a struggle, and an expensive one, but well worth it.
 
My advise to all men in his situation. Work your ass off to have the finances, get a damned good attorney, keep your head and don't do anything stupid that will cause you problems in court. Understand that EVERYTHING you do can, and probably will, be used against you. Document, document, document. Above all, do everything possible to maintain a working relationship with the ex, even if she makes it hard as hell.....it is for the children, not you and not her. It does pay off in the long run.
 
 

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RE: Supremacy - 6/30/2007 5:37:14 AM   
Tristan


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Yep, life sucks at one time or another no matter your gender, race, religion, etc.
Guess what?  Life ain’t  fair!

The same could have been said about slavery or jim crow laws.  Absolute equality is never going to be achieved, but it's something that we should strive to achieve. 

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RE: Supremacy - 6/30/2007 5:37:23 AM   
Lockit


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Status: offline 		I didn't have a problem with a lot that the Op was saying... I just couldn't understand the name, the questions... it wasn't making sense to me.  I am tired... I will quit after this... lol... I just want to see this through and answer to any problem I may have caused. lol I may have to use my own friggin paddle.

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RE: Supremacy - 6/30/2007 5:37:54 AM   
RCdc


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Status: offline 		mozilla -  I am having great difficulty reading your posts due to your writing style, so I may misunderstand them.
I don't ever see anyone 'laughing' at male abuse and I believe you are making a huge generalisation that people believe 'only women are abused' - that's complete bull.  There are numerous organisations that assist with male rape and abuse.
 
Fathers for Justice actually harm mens rights rather than assist with them.  Their attacks and comic stunts only show immaturity.  If I was a man, I would be appalled at their behaviour.
 
I am a big believer of the rights of the child.  I am also a believer of mens input in abortion issues as well to a certain extent.
 
However a supremist does not always worry about the child(depending of course).  I just don't understand how a person can uphold equality and supremacy in the same breath.  The two do not combine.  Also a supremist is not open to anyone elses ideas (Re: your sig) - but believes they have rights above those who do not stand as their equal and if I am your 'equal' then you can't be a male supremist?  Not trying to be picky, just trying to work out the mixed message you are exuding.
 
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< Message edited by Darcyandthedark -- 6/30/2007 5:40:44 AM >

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RE: Supremacy - 6/30/2007 5:39:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mastermozilla

Just wondering MsDonnaMa are you for equality or for Female Supremacy?


Isn't the answer obvious? Dumb male. ;)

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RE: Supremacy - 6/30/2007 5:41:55 AM   
Mastermozilla


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Status: offline 		LaTrigresse I hope your son gets out of this situation soon.  I hope they change child support systems.  Yes I feel the parent with the money should pay the child support.  But when the child support is not going to the kids but going to bye lets say cars or very expensive things they the court needs to look at if the money is needed.  When the mother or father without the child support cannot bye enough food for the family then money is needed.  We just need to look at why we think one parent deserves money and the house and the car over the other parent.  And this is leading more men to saying that when you marry dont the person you marry have the ability to have half your things when you divorce or have anything.  Meaning men are starting to say have your divorce settlement say that when you divorce your wife will get nothing.

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RE: Supremacy - 6/30/2007 5:47:09 AM   
Tristan


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Status: offline 		LaTigresse,
 
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As far as parental rights. It's something that has been near and dear to my heart this last year with my son and his two little ones. Fortunately the system has changed a great deal in the last 20 years. The biggest hurdle for many men is money.

What you describe your son going through does not sound like a change in the last 20 years.  It sounds like a system that is designed to benifit your son's ex at the expense of your son and your grand kids.

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RE: Supremacy - 6/30/2007 5:47:52 AM   
Mastermozilla


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Status: offline 		Darcy there are alot of people men and women who dont believe that fathers for justice is harming anything.  And to your other point read some of the posts.  Men should be men is why society feels that men are not being abused.  If you had watched the lifetime movie based on a true story it showed that until the daughter talked about what mommy was doing to daddy the police did not believe the man was being abused.

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RE: Supremacy - 6/30/2007 5:53:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mastermozilla

Ok just wondering about peoples feelings on supremacy.  How many people out there dont like either supremacy.  Yes you may be a female sub or a male sub but you feel thats just a part of bdsm.  How many people just want the same rights for both sexes.  Like equal opportunity for child supports.  Or the same rights for male abuse victims as female abuse victims.  Im just wondering if you rather have supremacy or you would like equal rights for both sexes?


I view supremacy as something best saved for sexual fantasy. I treat any supremist in real life the same why I would treat a racist - giving them a wide birth and hoping I never have to work with one. I am a submissive, but I deserve equal rights from the government. Valyraen and I think submission is worth more when you are actually giving something up instead of just playing the role a supremist society would force you to play.

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RE: Supremacy - 6/30/2007 5:54:46 AM   
Lockit


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Status: offline 		Ok... I hope I don't wake up hung over in the morning... I don't even remember drinking tonight...

Good luck Dark.... have fun everybody! lol.... 

Tristan... I'd read anything you write.

Latigresse, I hope that something can be done to help your son... that is insane.

Running while I still have a chance...

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RE: Supremacy - 6/30/2007 5:56:03 AM   
Mastermozilla


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Status: offline 		Lockit dont fall over when you run.

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RE: Supremacy - 6/30/2007 5:56:20 AM   
RCdc


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You still have not answered my questions?
 
How can a supremist champion equality unless it is purely only a 'play' area for you?
 
How can I be your equal and if I am, how can you be a male supremist?
 
Have you ever worked with abused men(or women)?
 
Cannot help but notice your sweeping statements are nothing more than media led.
 
Peace
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RE: Supremacy - 6/30/2007 6:00:08 AM   
QuietlySeeking


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Status: offline 		LaTigresse, I fell into a similar situation with my ex-wife.  She took almost two years off of work after the divorce and lived strictly on the alimony and child support, while my available income barely covered living expenses (I kept the house though!)

The child support system has changed a little bit, from a presumption that the non-custodial parent should pay without regard to how much the custodial parent makes to an "Income Share Model" where the custodial parent's income is taken into account.

The only way a father gets a fair shake in court is to have a GREAT attorney.  It is imperative that every father going through a divorce retains his own competent attorney.

In my case, she moved and in doing so opened herself to litigation.  I gave small concessions in the short run to reap greater returns down the road.  As I speak today, I have 50-50 custody and things are continually looking up from a financial perspective.

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RE: Supremacy - 6/30/2007 6:00:47 AM   
RCdc


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If you had watched the lifetime movie based on a true story ...
 
This about says it all.
I would suggest you get off the TV and maybe volunteer in real life and find out exactly what occurs.
 
Peace
the.dark.

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RE: Supremacy - 6/30/2007 6:01:11 AM   
Lockit


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