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RE: what makes someone "useless" - 7/2/2007 10:44:02 AM

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Sinergy, thanks, never saw/read it.
I must have been in the Navy when it came out.

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RE: what makes someone "useless" - 7/2/2007 10:44:09 AM

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Paris Hilton is useless. In the words of Comedienne Wanda Sykes "all she has to do is be rich.....and she f_cked that up. There's just no hope for anyone who can f_ck up being rich."

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RE: what makes someone "useless" - 7/2/2007 10:45:40 AM

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People who abuse goverment welfare benefits (using them is one thing...abusing is another.)

You mean like the rich and the affluent middleclasses? Because they are the main recipients of welfare in western societies, not the poor who always get the blame from the priveleged groups.

No I mean the women with no jobs who have numerous kids just to get more food stamps for example...or the people who live off the system and never try to better themselves.

I've yet to see a rich person using food stamps at walmart....

They don't need to, the government pay their welfare in cash.

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RE: what makes someone "useless" - 7/2/2007 10:46:58 AM

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It always amuses me that when this kind of post comes up all those who comment will invariably see the negative factor mentioned in.....others, never themselves. Why is that I ask myself ?

Now speaking for myself I would have to say I am a pretty useless human being, I dont do much, dont go anywhere much, have a low opinion of many that I meet and I cant see that anyone will be much affected when I take the final motorcycle ride into the sky. I am reasonably content and if I could play the piano better I might even stretch to being happy, now and then !
Am I the only one that can be so brutally honest about myself ?

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RE: what makes someone "useless" - 7/2/2007 10:47:24 AM

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They don't need to, the government pay their welfare in cash.

The Twenty dollar bill is also known as a "Yuppie Food Stamp."

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RE: what makes someone "useless" - 7/2/2007 10:49:21 AM

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I don't think that bleeding heart liberals are unappealing. I don't understand their perspective even a little bit...but I don't think they are unappealing. Silly perhaps in a way too fluffy sort of way...but not unappealing.

Geeky Girl....the words you have expressed on several threads here recently have certainly cast you in a VERY unappealing light. You have stated that you are this way due to Aspberger's, but there is a huge difference between lacking empathy and being an elitist, self righteous bigot. You said that you hoped people might view your words and be educated about what Aspberger's looks like in action. I certainly don't think it would be wise for them to make you their poster child as I don't believe they could get much understanding or support with you as the frontman.

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RE: what makes someone "useless" - 7/2/2007 10:54:47 AM

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Well I spay and neuter MY pets because they aren't outstanding examples of the breeds and hence have no business reproducing. I come from the dog show world and good examples of the breed are left intact and bad ones aren't.

So, translating this back to people........

But first we need to know which should be neutered?

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The problem with this is that if there was an almighty government power suggesting that people should be neutered because of 'imperfections' or not being the correct 'breed' or genetics - then eventually, it could be possibly people like Geeky, even yourself Lady E who suffer. She wouldn't be born and you might suffer being neutered. The gene for Aspergers for example hasnt been identified but it is thought there is a connection and they are looking into the gene mix. Even I may be a part of imperfection because of my dyslexia.

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RE: what makes someone "useless" - 7/2/2007 10:57:39 AM

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Well I spay and neuter MY pets because they aren't outstanding examples of the breeds and hence have no business reproducing. I come from the dog show world and good examples of the breed are left intact and bad ones aren't.

Hopefully for you, GeekyGirl, no one will come along and decide you are a poor example of humanity and should be kept from reproducing or exterminated. There are those, you know, who would say that about you simply because of your interest in the lifestyle discussed on this here site

. It's all good as long as you are the decision-maker about just who should be on the receiving end of such treatment. If you ever found yourself looking down the barrels of such hateful judgment, perhaps your perspective would shift a bit. Maybe not, but I think it would. Blessings..........luci

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RE: what makes someone "useless" - 7/2/2007 10:59:18 AM

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I don't believe that any human being is useless....but some are very unappealing. People who choose to live in ivory towers, ride around on self righteous, high horses and sit upon pedestals looking down their noses at everyone they deem beneath them are certainly among the unappealing (and far less usefull).

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RE: what makes someone "useless" - 7/2/2007 11:00:33 AM

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No I mean the women with no jobs who have numerous kids just to get more food stamps for example...or the people who live off the system and never try to better themselves.

GeekyGirl, you clearly have no concept of how little welfare/food stamps provides. Nobody with any understanding of the system would ever even suggest that the extra benefits goes far enough to make it in any way profitable to have another child. The benefits one gets for another child do not by any stretch of the imagination equal or exceed the expense of a child.
This old saw is bullshit and I, for one, am sick of hearing it. Nobody in theire right mind has kids simply to get more welfare, got that? Maybe you should talk to these "useless" women's priests who oppose birth control, or perhaps the men who refuse to wear condoms, or question a welfare system that will not allow them enough disposable income to afford birth control pills....I could go on, but I think the point has been adequately illustrated, though I somehow doubt it will in any way change your mind about anything.

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RE: what makes someone "useless" - 7/2/2007 11:00:43 AM

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Y'know.. what if we did that and by using a set list of criteria we could create a "Master Race"...?

Never mind.. I think some other idiot tried that.

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The problem with this is that if there was an almighty government power suggesting that people should be neutered because of 'imperfections' or not being the correct 'breed' or genetics - then eventually, it could be possibly people like Geeky, even yourself Lady E who suffer. She wouldn't be born and you might suffer being neutered. The gene for Aspergers for example hasnt been identified but it is thought there is a connection and they are looking into the gene mix. Even I may be a part of imperfection because of my dyslexia.

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RE: what makes someone "useless" - 7/2/2007 11:02:16 AM

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I've yet to see a rich person using food stamps at walmart....

Apparently you've never stood in line behind the women dressed in designer clothes, clutching their Coach bags, reeking of Issey Miyake (yum!) and sporting the 2 carrat diamond ring who digs out her EBT card so she can purchase her groceries? You see, "rich" is a relative term...someone could be rich from dealing drugs, however it's not about to be reported as income, therefore they qualify for those benefits. So, yes, you can be "rich" and using food stamps at walmart....

i too, don't view anyone as useless. Everyone put on this earth is here for a purpose, it could be that a career welfare recipient will bear a child who (even if they ARE spitting them out in litters) will go on to find a cure for cancer, or AIDS, or Asperger's *wink*...who am i to judge them regarding their usefullness?

Someone mentioned the "butterfly effect"...i think that has a huge bearing on the argument that all people are useful in one way or another...even the drunk driver that causes an accident where someone gets killed. Whose to say that accident didn't happen to keep another accident involving a school bus full of children from occurring? Thing is, we don't know and we shouldn't pretend to. Doesn't matter if we don't "care" for them on a social level...there's a lot of people i don't care for socially, but that doesn't automatically label them as "useless." Just my opinion...

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RE: what makes someone "useless" - 7/2/2007 11:03:18 AM

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I do not seek the company of people who don't think like I do.

This must lead to some pretty boring debates and a rather limited style of thinking.

I love exchanges with people who don't necessarily think like I do but it's hard to find common ground with someone who thinks that there are those individuals who simply have no worth. It's always good to be able to at least see another's point even if you don't agree with it. I see where you are coming from but I think it's pretty harsh to simply declare some people totally "useless." Just because you can't see any use/worth in them, doesn't mean it is not there........luci

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RE: what makes someone "useless" - 7/2/2007 11:08:35 AM

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Well I spay and neuter MY pets because they aren't outstanding examples of the breeds and hence have no business reproducing. I come from the dog show world and good examples of the breed are left intact and bad ones aren't.

Hopefully for you, GeekyGirl, no one will come along and decide you are a poor example of humanity and should be kept from reproducing or exterminated. There are those, you know, who would say that about you simply because of your interest in the lifestyle discussed on this here site. It's all good as long as you are the decision-maker about just who should be on the receiving end of such treatment. If you ever found yourself looking down the barrels of such hateful judgment, perhaps your perspective would shift a bit. Maybe not, but I think it would. Blessings..........luci

I don't believe in exterminating people and I have NO interest in breeding. I know I'm an abnormality and I don't really want my genes in the pool. My tubes are tied and thank god...

I wasn't saying we should actually neuter people, lol...I was just making the point that some peopel aren't very useful.

Someone else mentioned honesty about oneself...I don't think that I'm terribly useful myself actually, other than providing my fellow board members with someone to dog on from time to time and make personal attacks against.

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RE: what makes someone "useless" - 7/2/2007 11:08:57 AM

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I do not seek the company of people who don't think like I do.

What is interesting about this approach is it mirrors the approach of George W. Bush and, oddly enough, Saddam Hussein.

What ends up happening is the person becomes insulated and isolated from any interpretation of reality apart from the one they have. Give such a person power, and they will take everybody else with them to their grave as they try to create the image they have in their mind on the canvas that is reality.

I have stated most of my life that if I were ever president I would surround myself with advisors who know more about things than I do, and make sure that there was a lovely balance between people who appreciated me and people who hated my ideals and policies.

Somewhere in the middle of all the strife is a reality that all can live with.

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RE: what makes someone "useless" - 7/2/2007 11:09:32 AM

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As usual what makes a person useless is subjective. It is fact or not depending upon the views of the beholder.

Where some person may see some redeeming social value in an active pedophile's art or their charity work, I simply see someone who the law allows to keep breathing MY air. I object to this. I am law abiding so I do not take the law into my own hands, but since I am a survivor myself I think I'd buy a license if the Dept. of Natural Resources opened that hunting season.

I know many do not agree, which IS their right.

I have known a lot of people who were useless as workers. Very few of these are the retarded or brain injured folks, very few are the non-English speaking immegrants. Those folks may not have the highest output, but most try hard and earn their money. I am talking about the "skates" those who will work hard for hours trying to avoid accomplishing any productive work, using a lot more effort trying to evade their duties that simply doing them would ever take.

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RE: what makes someone "useless" - 7/2/2007 11:13:13 AM

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It always amuses me that when this kind of post comes up all those who comment will invariably see the negative factor mentioned in.....others, never themselves. Why is that I ask myself ?

Now speaking for myself I would have to say I am a pretty useless human being, I dont do much, dont go anywhere much, have a low opinion of many that I meet and I cant see that anyone will be much affected when I take the final motorcycle ride into the sky. I am reasonably content and if I could play the piano better I might even stretch to being happy, now and then !
Am I the only one that can be so brutally honest about myself ?

Seeks, I used to feel like that too.
But, I went from 80-100 hour weeks in the USCG to retirement.
But, I've managed to do quite a bit in retirement.
Bought and sold a few condos and houses, traveled quite a bit, learned how to play the fiddle at age 50, I donate money and time to charities and political causes etc.
What did you do for work?
I think a lot of people get self worth from their work and when that phase of life comes to an end they feel "useless". I know I did for a while.
A few of my friends have told me that I make them laugh and I think that's "worth" something.

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RE: what makes someone "useless" - 7/2/2007 11:13:15 AM

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I wasn't saying we should actually neuter people, lol...I was just making the point that some peopel aren't very useful

Ok. I was hoping you didn't mean that but it can be a slippery slope from thinking some people are useless to saying they shouldn't reproduce.

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other than providing my fellow board members with someone to dog on from time to time and make personal attacks against

I certainly never "attacked" you and I don't think anyone else leveled any words against you any harsher than the ones you used against "worthless" people. I think it's very interesting when subjects like this come up and everyone's real, heartfelt opinions come out. It certainly doesn't have to become hateful and mean.......luci

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RE: what makes someone "useless" - 7/2/2007 11:15:40 AM

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Well I spay and neuter MY pets because they aren't outstanding examples of the breeds and hence have no business reproducing. I come from the dog show world and good examples of the breed are left intact and bad ones aren't.

So, translating this back to people........

But first we need to know which should be neutered?

E

The problem with this is that if there was an almighty government power suggesting that people should be neutered because of 'imperfections' or not being the correct 'breed' or genetics - then eventually, it could be possibly people like Geeky, even yourself Lady E who suffer. She wouldn't be born and you might suffer being neutered. The gene for Aspergers for example hasnt been identified but it is thought there is a connection and they are looking into the gene mix. Even I may be a part of imperfection because of my dyslexia.

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Thank you! Nice to know someone got it!

There isnt one of us that meets every criteria of perfection - there's always something about us which would condemn every one of us were we to propose such a scheme.

The only means of judging anyone with any degree of sufficiency is by way of their deeds -which is something I've spouted often on these boards. But what I havent spouted before is that we cant judge someone by their actions in the absence of an understanding of them for who they are. Taking GG as an example here, she has been pretty well roasted here for her posts, which in the absence of knowing she has Asperger's would be well justified.

But given her circumstances, we can perhaps condemn her views but not her as a person. In the same way that we can condemn the psychotic serial killer for his deeds, but do so with the understanding that he had little control over what he did in the sense that the rest of us have control. That doesnt excuse or minimise his crimes, but it is useful in deciding his fate.

And the same can be said for all these "useless" people - dont get me wrong, I rail against them as often as most - but when one investigates these people as individuals, one gets an understanding of why they are as they are and why they do what they do. It doesnt make their behaviour good, it doesnt excuse what they do, but it gives us an insight into the situation and more positive ways to resolve it than simply opting to ignore them or to propose their extermination.

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RE: what makes someone "useless" - 7/2/2007 11:16:50 AM

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I will post it again, but it has relevance on what defines uselessness as much as it has relevance on the death penalty. Looked at a certain way, the idea of a "useless" person would be one that has no business taking up a carbon footprint as a living person.

Frodo: "Gollum deserves to die"

Gandalf: "Yes, he does, but many who die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Be not hasty in dealing out
death in judgement, for not even the wise can see all ends."

Perhaps this useless person will have some purpose, some eventual reason for existing, either as a living person or due to some interaction rippling down through time in a Butterfly effect. I dont know. It is not my place to render judgement on them. The words "There but for the grace of God go I," although I consider myself an agnostic with atheistic tendencies.

To go back to what I quoted from Douglas Adams, that civilization put the people they considered useless on a space ship and sent them away, only to have a disease those useless people protected them from contracting wipe out their civilization.

If everything happens for a reason, do we really have an understanding of the reason for this person we consider useless?

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