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British Neo Nazis Vow Reprisals - 7/3/2007 7:13:10 AM

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A press release from a hitherto unknown neo-nazi group was delivered simultaneously this morning to the British Home Office, Scotland Yard and the headquarters of the Muslim Parliament of Great Britain, warning that it planned reprisals directly targeting Muslims should terrorist attacks continue.

The release, said to have been issued by a group calling itself GB88, mentioned specific threats against Mosques in all parts of Britain, and vowed to “level” undisclosed targets during Friday prayers should its demands for an immediate halt to attacks in the UK and against British forces overseas not be met. The statement is also believed to have called for the internment of all Muslims in Great Britain within the next month and in the meantime for them to be placed under house arrest, pending what it ominously described as “processing”.

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Fortunately, the above “news story” is totally fictional. So why did I bother to write it and post it?

Well, I’m pretty much sure it will get a lot of attention, and maybe quite a few comments too.

But mainly, my point was to ask the question as to whether the radical elements of Islam have shot the religion to which they claim to belong, squarely in the foot? The way I see it, many of us in the west had a lot of sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians. Many of us had a lot of sympathy for the Iraqis under Saddam, and many more strongly disagreed with the strategic blunder that was the invasion and is the occupation. Yet I wonder how much sympathy we can maintain, when it is not those responsible who suffer radical Islamic reprisals but we the innocent ordinary people?

The “news story” I wrote is meant to turn the situation around, by way of innocent ordinary Muslims becoming the target for reprisals by our own hot heads. Do we see the similarities between my fictional neo-nazis and the radical Islamics or do we choose sides? Do we in some way sympathise with the nazi threats or even support them as “getting our own back” whilst condemning the Islamic radicals, or reject the hatred and violence of both sides? And, do we give any consideration to the antagonism and injustices felt by either side as not so much a justification, but an explanation for their words and actions?

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RE: British Neo Nazis Vow Reprisals - 7/3/2007 7:39:58 AM

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dude wtf this is the response to Pearl Harbor Brit style. Except its a neo nazis ggroup instead on the goverment. Oh yeah that will really change things? Why is that they dumbasses believe the Terrorist will give into a demand liek that? If anything it will bolster their crusade against Engla, America and other countries.Then again hated and brains don't always come in the same package

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RE: British Neo Nazis Vow Reprisals - 7/3/2007 7:45:36 AM

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i think someone forgot to read the whole post :)

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RE: British Neo Nazis Vow Reprisals - 7/3/2007 7:53:36 AM

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yup.... is this a case of one shooting one's own foot or just shooting one's mouth off?

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RE: British Neo Nazis Vow Reprisals - 7/3/2007 7:55:54 AM

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Even if someone didn't read the whole post a situation like this is almost inevitable IMO

Two more points:
You will immediately notice the difference in attitude of the powers that be if or when such reprisals occur. ie it will be much more hard line than is directed towards Muslims. There will be no apologising for stopping suspected right wing whites in the streets for example.

I believe the group mentioned does exist and has ties with like minded Germans.

Interesting times indeed.

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RE: British Neo Nazis Vow Reprisals - 7/3/2007 8:04:11 AM

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Ellen... the sad truth of it all is that when lines are drawn & violence is the choice of how the opposing sides will "sort things out & resolve conflict" .... it is only the innocent that are truly effected by these choices that are being made around them & for them.

My heart is heavy because of the part that my country has played in this sad state of affairs. I have no resolve. I can't even savor the fact that I didn't vote for the jerk, lot's of us didn't vote for him but elected he is & a mockery of democracy he is making... I'm furious about the actions that this administration has made. I call the elected officials for my area regularly... Congress is out right now but I will be making calls next week.

It all seems so weak... make a phone call... cast a vote... but what other choice do I have?

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RE: British Neo Nazis Vow Reprisals - 7/3/2007 8:05:47 AM

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ktla- reported that Scotlanders were fighting back- but did not elaborate. im not sure how u would.

your post had my mind racing till the punchline. OMG. very plausable---

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RE: British Neo Nazis Vow Reprisals - 7/3/2007 8:09:48 AM

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you try reading everything while being mauled by 1 yr old um who thought takign a cat nap at 1 and then staying up to four and preventing me from sleeping. Adn thanks seeks because it is true, just because we did it once to another race doesn't mean we won't do it again, even after seeign the reprocusions of it. as to the rest of your post Ell to be honest i could never side with hot heads, because once you let them cross one line they will continue to keep going down the line. The whole situation is fucked but its one of those things where we have to recognize that not ALL of them are against us and aren't secretly plotting our downfall.

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RE: British Neo Nazis Vow Reprisals - 7/3/2007 8:17:36 AM

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thank you for posting this ...
it shines a light on something that many dont consider. i was a lil shell shocked when i first read it..and wast sure what to think. i was quickly glad to read it wasnt true.
the vast majority of muslims are good gentle people who dont believe or act in the same manner as the more radical followers of islam. and to target them would be inefficient ,and wouldnt change a thing.
this story kind of lets us see a scaled down version of things. and made me appreciate the difficulties of what we are fighting against.
i wish there were a simple answer to all of this....but when facing a faceless enemy, it would seem drastic measures are needed.
our freedoms, and our openess make us such easy targets :(

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RE: British Neo Nazis Vow Reprisals - 7/3/2007 9:16:37 AM

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"Processing" is "ominous?"

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RE: British Neo Nazis Vow Reprisals - 7/3/2007 10:58:34 AM

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A re-read of Orwell's 1984 might just add a bit more flavor to your story.

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RE: British Neo Nazis Vow Reprisals - 7/3/2007 11:06:25 AM

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quote:

But mainly, my point was to ask the question as to whether the radical elements of Islam have shot the religion to which they claim to belong, squarely in the foot?

Lady E,
It is not the radical element of Islam which is shooting themselves in the foot. They represent the same fringe element of their religion as that faction identified as the radical religious right and the radical left. The problem of image regarding Islam is that it is the only global image conveyed.

Consider for a moment the reaction of Islam regarding the cartoons published in Amsterdam. There was universal or at least majority condemnation. It was similar to the majority response from Christians which occurred when a crucifix in a glass of urine was displayed as "art". Now compare that to the reaction of the Islamic community in the UK regarding these latest attacks. Or when the publisher of articles critical to Islam was murdered. The general reaction is one of rationalized justification if not celebration, pointing to issues ranging from disenfranchisement and unemployment among Muslims living in the UK, to PM Blair's involvement in Iraq.

It gives the impression that cartoons depicting Mohammad are more troubling to Muslims than people killing in the name of their religion.

Eventually, against the tide of political correctness and media bias, people will rise up and react as the scenario you created. There are many who believe that is the goal many of the leaders of the Muslim world. It is publicly conveyed by the current President of Iran, but the hesitancy of many to believe him has thus far kept the fuse of a 'Holy' war un-lit. Time will tell how long that will last.

Meanwhile, I'd love to be pointed to any widely published article from a leader in the Muslim world who has stood up to say what happened in the UK "Does not represent Islam, or the majority of the Muslim community." They stood against the cartoons, and the world was complicit. However, burning cars into airline terminals and attempts to kill generate rationalized excuses.

BTW- How is it that Doctors are part of the "disenfranchised, unemployed, uneducated" group of the usually suspects associated with radical Muslim terrorism?

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RE: British Neo Nazis Vow Reprisals - 7/3/2007 11:24:30 AM

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Mercnbeth, while you are correct to a degree about the reaction to events in the UK. It is not the general reaction among Muslims here, many will tell you that every act of terror onliy increases animosity towards the Muslim community as a whole.
Indeed just as many non Muslims attribute events to the reasons you have given, as well as events in Israel. Hopefully level headed thinking will prevail.

Unlike the attacks on the London tube which were carried out by Muslims born here. The latest attack were carried out by citizens from abroad. The mastermind is of Palestinian descent so one would assume an Al Qaeda link somewhere along the line. Making it all the more suprising that the bombs failed to explode.

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RE: British Neo Nazis Vow Reprisals - 7/3/2007 12:59:15 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion

Ellen... the sad truth of it all is that when lines are drawn & violence is the choice of how the opposing sides will "sort things out & resolve conflict" .... it is only the innocent that are truly effected by these choices that are being made around them & for them.

My heart is heavy because of the part that my country has played in this sad state of affairs. I have no resolve. I can't even savor the fact that I didn't vote for the jerk, lot's of us didn't vote for him but elected he is & a mockery of democracy he is making... I'm furious about the actions that this administration has made. I call the elected officials for my area regularly... Congress is out right now but I will be making calls next week.

It all seems so weak... make a phone call... cast a vote... but what other choice do I have?

Nice post with the exception of him making a mockery of democracy - he's continuation, not change.

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RE: British Neo Nazis Vow Reprisals - 7/3/2007 1:24:37 PM

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Nice post with the exception of him making a mockery of democracy - he's continuation, not change.

I totally agree... I'm just old enough to recall the Presidencies as far back as Nixon pretty clearly... the rest I have written history to read about.

The same faces from Nixon days are the same faces you see today with current elections, file footage & interviews.

I've voted in every election since I became old enough to vote, even the midterms. I have voted Republican, Democrat & Independent. I call/write my Representatives, Congress & State Governor about a plethora of issues. My partner & I have been actively involved with getting new laws on the books in our local area as well. I do everything I can to be "heard" but I feel weak... & that is heart breaking.

Here I live in what is called the most powerful country in the world but I feel so weak & I don't feel there is anything more I can do to make myself feel any better about what is going on in the world around me. All I can do is keep doing what I am doing & live my life the best I can. That in itself is powerful... but it doesn't change how I feel deep down inside.

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RE: British Neo Nazis Vow Reprisals - 7/3/2007 1:46:13 PM

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All I can do is keep doing what I am doing & live my life the best I can.

Very true. You can't have the weight of the world on your shoulders. You do your best, and that's good enough.

I'm glad most Britons are level-headed, reasonable people, and by and large we don't have this ignorance of "most Muslims are rejoicing at these acts".

I found the following letter in today's Guardian informative:

I reject so-called honour killings. I reject kidnapping a journalist and strapping explosives to his waist. I reject burning flags because an ageing author received an award. I reject parking a car full of explosives on Haymarket. I am a Muslim. I believe in God and I believe that Muhammed (may peace be upon him) is his last messenger. And I also agree with Andrew Marr who said "it is still an incredible stroke of fortune to be born British".

Where I don't agree with the author (apart from not believing in God) is his obvious conclusion that the onus is on him to reject these attacks. Why? Why should he have to do that to appease the dimwits who think "Muslims justify these attacks". Let them wallow in their own ignorance. If I lived in another a country and an Englishman bombed somewhere, there's no way on this earth I would feel the need to divorce myself from the attack with a letter to a newspaper or anyone for that matter.

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RE: British Neo Nazis Vow Reprisals - 7/3/2007 2:27:48 PM

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Maybe it's time that Western govts had "reprisals."
The next time one of us is attacked nuke a muslim country.
See if they attack again.
And don't say which muslim country we'll attack ahead of time.
I mean who really cares about Pakistan or Egypt anyway?

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RE: British Neo Nazis Vow Reprisals - 7/3/2007 2:34:55 PM

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Popeye - you demonstrate exactly the sort of reason I think this needs to be discussed in the terms of my OP.

Its simply not just to hold every Muslim responsible for the actions of a comparatively few hot heads. In exactly the same way as it is simply wrong for those hotheads to be attacking us, the ordinary everyday citizens of western societies - what the hell fault is it of ours that our governments have embarked on foreign policy that was plain wrong and often stupid?

We have so many complaints on here regularly about how governments are run for business and not the people, and believe it or not a similar situation exists in all these Muslim countries where the people are doled out what their leaders decide in the same way we are - regardless of whether or not we vote, complain or whatever. To blame every Muslim for the actions of a few nutters is the same, exactly the same, as blaming all Americans and Brits for the foreign policies of their governments.

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RE: British Neo Nazis Vow Reprisals - 7/3/2007 2:38:31 PM

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LadyEllen, you're right.
Let's just wait till they use a nuclear device on us first.

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RE: British Neo Nazis Vow Reprisals - 7/3/2007 2:44:26 PM

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LadyEllen, you're right.
Let's just wait till they use a nuclear device on us first.

Of course I'm right - whatever gave you the impression I might not be?

You know, however mad some of these people are in foreign governments, I'm pretty sure they have the sense to not try anything like that, regardless of the guff they spout about jihad and the apocalypse etc. to please their people. And thats what theyre doing, pulling the puppet strings to maintain their own position and power by giving their people what they want to hear.

And as for some bunch of nutters terrorist cell letting off a nuke amid us - thats a lot more likely, but what are we going to do about it should they manage to get hold of one? Although I doubt that even the nuttiest foreign leader would permit them to get one, for the reasons above - they'd be held responsible and counter attacked into oblivion.

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