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ORIGINAL: homehusbandry

We have had mad germans, then mad paddies, now mad mullahs. The latter poses the most covert threat to british people. All other immigrant people settled in well and intergrated, not the muslims though. They demand sharia law in their communities and want to create a seperate muslim state within the UK with its own elected parliament. They are enemy alliens and should be inturned or  repatriated or better still dumped on remote islands around the world.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Yes indeed Seeks, Mubarrak runs Egypt, though we were talking about Pakistan.....

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

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ORIGINAL: homehusbandry

We have had mad germans, then mad paddies, now mad mullahs. The latter poses the most covert threat to british people. All other immigrant people settled in well and intergrated, not the muslims though. They demand sharia law in their communities and want to create a seperate muslim state within the UK with its own elected parliament. They are enemy alliens and should be inturned or  repatriated or better still dumped on remote islands around the world.

And in each case, it was down to something we did that pissed these people off, yet we never seem to learn.

So then, we now have three possible solutions;

1) Intern all Muslims and expatriate them
2) Provide a Muslim state within the UK - lets say....oh I dont know, how about Lincolnshire, and send them all there to live.
3) Solve the reasons for anger against us and build a cohesive society

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Seeks - you know my views on the whole multicultural thing already, so I'll leave NG to deal with your prior post (21) aside from saying that I hold it responsible for a lot of the problems we're now experiencing; one cannot possibly build a united society if one proposes to support the means of disunity.

As for the letter posted by NG - isnt this what we need more of, rather than to condemn it and dismiss it as unrepresentative? What we need right now is the ordinary everyday Muslims to feel supported and yes, protected in expressing themselves in spite of the fear of backlash from the hotheads amongst them, because my feeling is that right now they are a lot more fearful of those hotheads than any of us are. Again, multiculturalism is a problem here because it has isolated them from society as a whole and contained them in a mini culture from which there is little escape.

Now, onto your following post. Yes, I do believe that if as we are told, it is the lunatics running certain countries who are supporting the terror groups, that it is both possible and necessary for them to maintain control over what they get up to.

As for Pakistan, we should remember that "the general" as Bush referred to him, is only in charge because he seized power in order to obviate the Islamicist rule that the prior election would have resulted in. What this means is that yes, Pakistan is full of lunatics, most of them from the semi-educated masses whose semi-education has been funded by the Wahabis in Saudi Arabia, but also that Pakistan has enough intelligent people to not allow the country to fall into their hands entirely. Whilst it might for some reason be politically expedient to have the Pakistani masses rioting for someone, it is certainly not expedient to not have control over them by whoever that might be (clue given earlier). Nothing is quite as simple as it appears.

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ORIGINAL: homehusbandry

We have had mad germans, then mad paddies, now mad mullahs. The latter poses the most covert threat to british people. All other immigrant people settled in well and intergrated, not the muslims though. They demand sharia law in their communities and want to create a seperate muslim state within the UK with its own elected parliament. They are enemy alliens and should be inturned or  repatriated or better still dumped on remote islands around the world.

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ORIGINAL: Manawyddan

No, multiculturalism is a good thing, in my opinion ... if one is amongst other people who all want to be multiculturalists. That isn't the case with the Muslim extremists (or for that matter, many Christian extremists).

Sadly, even the uber-liberal Dutch are now having to rethink the way they've structured their society.

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Getting the powers that be to honestly appraise the situation would help, and to expose with severe criticism those who try to offer disingenuous explanations of the hatred and animosity that exists between different immigrant groups. See the criticism direct at Margaret Hodge when she pointed out the problems caused by immigration in her constituency.

What is absolutely certain is that mass immigration and soft touch dishonest asylum immigration should be stopped immediately.

Other than that keep your fingers crossed and hope for the best. I fear the worst.

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ORIGINAL: homehusbandry

We have had mad germans, then mad paddies, now mad mullahs. The latter poses the most covert threat to british people. All other immigrant people settled in well and intergrated, not the muslims though. They demand sharia law in their communities and want to create a seperate muslim state within the UK with its own elected parliament. They are enemy alliens and should be inturned or  repatriated or better still dumped on remote islands around the world.

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ORIGINAL: stella40

"Getting the powers that be to honestly appraise the situation would help" writes seeks, and no truer words could have been written in my opinion.

It isn't rocket science, or at least it shouldn't be by now, we know that Al Qaeda and its associate organisations are following a strategy of 'infiltration of the masses'.

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ORIGINAL: stella40

It's a case of opening one's eyes. Go to Bradford, Manchester or any city with a large Muslim community and you will see some Muslims meeting together to pray at a mosque which is actually a private house. And it's precisely here, I would suspect, where much of the recruiting and distribution of information among such organisations takes place.

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ORIGINAL: stella40

Am I the only one or has anyone else in the UK noticed that the majority of people granted asylum in the UK in the past 10 years have tended to come from Islamic countries? Somalia, Eritrea, Montenegro, the Sudan, Iran, to give but a few examples.

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ORIGINAL: stella40

I agree with seeks that the UK needs to tighten up on its immigration policies

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ORIGINAL: stella40

There is yet another solution. A solution which worked with the IRA. And that is to invite Al Qaeda to the table and start negotiating a settlement.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: stella40

"Getting the powers that be to honestly appraise the situation would help" writes seeks, and no truer words could have been written in my opinion.

It isn't rocket science, or at least it shouldn't be by now, we know that Al Qaeda and its associate organisations are following a strategy of 'infiltration of the masses'.

There is scope for debate here, it is not as clear cut as your rocket-science comment suggests. There are two options:

1) The one you've outlined above.

2) Disaffected British youth are actually looking for Al Quaeda (as opposed to the other way 'round) and they go to Pakistan to make contacts. The recent attacks? The link to Al Quaeda is under investigation and has not been concluded one way or the other.

A credible argument can be put forward which contradicts your "infiltration of the masses" comment.

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ORIGINAL: stella40

It's a case of opening one's eyes. Go to Bradford, Manchester or any city with a large Muslim community and you will see some Muslims meeting together to pray at a mosque which is actually a private house. And it's precisely here, I would suspect, where much of the recruiting and distribution of information among such organisations takes place.

We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that less than 10 of a community of 2 million have been convicted of a terrorist offence. It hardly warrants calling into question the private business of the Muslim community.

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Am I the only one or has anyone else in the UK noticed that the majority of people granted asylum in the UK in the past 10 years have tended to come from Islamic countries? Somalia, Eritrea, Montenegro, the Sudan, Iran, to give but a few examples.

Quite possibly, but that's what civilised nations do. They grant asylum for political refugees. As far as I'm aware, those convicted of terrorist offences were born here, and the recent attacks were not perpertrated by persons granted asylum.

There is no evidence to support the view that there is a link between asylum and terrorism in Britain.

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I agree with seeks that the UK needs to tighten up on its immigration policies

We can agree, here, but my understanding is that the vast majority of recent immigrants have been white - Irish, Poles etc. There is no correlation between tight immigration policies and preventing terrorism. The problem is one of the government undercutting British labour.

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There is yet another solution. A solution which worked with the IRA. And that is to invite Al Qaeda to the table and start negotiating a settlement.

'Not sure where you're coming from here.

In other parts of your post, you suggest Al-Quaeda is some fluid, hard-to-pin down organisation, but now suggest we deal with them as if they are a co-ordinated, well-drilled organisation of terrorist cells.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
Al-Quaeda are nothing like the IRA. The IRA had a clear mission - get the British presence out of Northern Ireland. Who knows where Al-Quaeda's aspirations begin and finish. They're much more of an opportunist organisation, and there is a credible argument to suggest they actually want to maintain the British presence in the Middle East to maximise the number of recruits to their organisation. Is Al-Quaeda an organisation, even? It could be argued they're no more than a loose association of psychopathic zealots - they certainly were in the not too distant past before their numbers swelled. Who knows what their aims are, but I don't believe they're an organisation open to negotiation, and I don't believe they have a central body who speak for all. They must be the most decentralised, loosely connected lot that ever existed. They share an idea, but very little in the way of co-ordination, planning and central control, and this makes them very difficult to negotiate with - probably impossible.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
There is one viable option: pull all British soldiers out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and learn the lesson that charging 'round the world playing good crusaders is a recipe for trouble. The problem is that we could well have bitten off more than we can chew, here, because there's no guarantee that withdrawing soldiers will be the end of the matter. Maybe the British business presence will be the next item on the agenda, and British ex-pats, or maybe Al-Quaeda will lose their appeal without a British army presence in the Middle East - who knows.

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ORIGINAL: stella40

Only I feel there is coordination of some sort, but we haven't really worked out what it is.

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou
Wouldn't that sorta make the basis of your cultural beliefs the same as the other groups, thus giving your group at least in one core principle a unified culture?

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I never thought of that as multicultural though, because that requirement will exclude a lot of people we current accept into our country.

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So, you are pretty much left with the very moderate people of the world, in regards to religion. However, how is one to know which applicant is moderate and who is extremist. Thus the only practical way to ensure one only receives those compatible with the underlying principle of of the culture is to exclude huge swaths of the worlds population based on religion, and or region.

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Stella40
I never wrote that there was any link between asylum seekers and terrorism, I don't think there is.

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

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Stella40
I never wrote that there was any link between asylum seekers and terrorism, I don't think there is.

So....would the fact that we have just had four asylum seekers sent to prison for a minimum of 40 years each change your mind ?
What is it about you PC liberals ? You simply refuse to face facts.