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Too Rough, Or Doing His JOb? - 7/3/2007 12:26:40 PM   
cuddleheart50


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What do you think?

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RE: Too Rough, Or Doing His JOb? - 7/3/2007 12:39:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I saw that video and it did look like he was being a little rougher than need be.  Still, we should bear in mind that we didn't see events leading up to what we did see.  I don't think he should have got off scott free, but I wouldn't have been inclined to throw the book at him either.  Let's face it, mouthy teenagers can really piss you off.

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RE: Too Rough, Or Doing His JOb? - 7/3/2007 12:52:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		i agree with Marc.

While the officer could have handled the situation a bit differently with the one he had in the choke hold, it doesn't negate the fact that the law in that area states it's a crime to ride a skateboard in the area they were riding their skateboards.  They were breaking the law and, literally, resisting arrest.  i don't particularly agree with their treatment, seems like the arresting officer must have had an axe to grind with that particular group of kids.  i think an unpaid suspension for a few days may have been a proper slap on the wrist..but throwing the book at him would have been a bit far fetched.

It was pretty apparent that they didn't have any respect at all for the policeman nor the law...but, again, we didn't see what led up to the situation either so that would just be an uninformed opinion on my behalf *smile*




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RE: Too Rough, Or Doing His JOb? - 7/3/2007 1:13:02 PM   
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When I was a kid we used to get hit with billy clubs on the back of the legs.
Is this the "pussification" of America?

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RE: Too Rough, Or Doing His JOb? - 7/3/2007 1:19:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think he got what he deserved.  Kids today don't learn respect for anyone in most circumstances.  They think they can whine, cry, talk back, and then get away with anything.  I know there are some good ones out there, thank goodness..because there are so many that aren't the world will sure need them to step up as the years go by.

Might seem harsh, but I am so tired of hearing whiny assed teens crying about how they aren't treated fair.  Welcome to the real world, you better get used to it now because it only gets more unfair the older you get.

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RE: Too Rough, Or Doing His JOb? - 7/3/2007 1:27:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		That might be a good lesson for parents to teach their children, but as taxpayers we don't fund the police force to teach our children that they have to accept unfair treatment.

Still, in this particular case, I was never as outraged by the footage as everyone else seemed to be.  You can't run away from a police officer who's about to arrest you and expect not to get taken down.  The one thing I noticed was that he never seemed to read anyone their rights.  Maybe he did that after the camera had been shut off.  Who knows.

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RE: Too Rough, Or Doing His JOb? - 7/3/2007 1:42:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		More than likely, LaM, the kid was read his rights at the station...contrary to popular belief, you don't have to be mirandized immediately.  Usually, in any situation where they have to fight with the subject, they are a little more concerned with getting them cuffed and stuffed.  I know this firsthand......it was what I always did when someone was fighting with me.

I agree with you also, sleazybutterfly....kids today have absolutely no respect for anything, and seem to think the world owes them a living just because they are here......then when they get kicked in the teeth with the reality of life, they go whining and crying back to mommy and daddy....if they are around, anyway.  I always said there was never anything wrong with whacking a kid when they needed it.....got my butt beat as a kid a few times, and I turned out ok.  I've never condoned child abuse, but there is something to be said for parents who actually raise their kids, teach them about respect for others and property and the law.....too bad they are few and far between!

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RE: Too Rough, Or Doing His JOb? - 7/3/2007 3:26:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, that could be, but I thought I saw the cop asking the kids questions about what happened right after he arrested them, and that's not supposed to happen.  I'd have to look at the video again.  The issue with the Miranda warning is not that it must be rendered at the instant of arrest, but it still has to be rendered at some point before the police interrogate the suspect.

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More than likely, LaM, the kid was read his rights at the station...contrary to popular belief, you don't have to be mirandized immediately.  Usually, in any situation where they have to fight with the subject, they are a little more concerned with getting them cuffed and stuffed.  I know this firsthand......it was what I always did when someone was fighting with me.

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RE: Too Rough, Or Doing His JOb? - 7/3/2007 6:23:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't see where the problem is.

The law clearly states that skateboarding is against the law. Now I'm assuming that these four youths were actually skateboarding on the sidewalk which prompted the police to get involve (assuming that skateboarding means to have the skateboard on the ground and to be moving on the skateboard as opposed to merely being in possession of a skateboard).

I'm not a fan of the police but I respect the law. In this situation unless you've got justification you don't argue with the cop, and you certainly don't resist arrest. If you do, then you leave yourself wide open for the cop to react. Of course, this doesn't justify a cop strangling a kid, but cops are human and in such a situation can get rough.

I think the kids got off lightly. Had this have taken place somewhere in London another three squad cars would have appeared out of nowhere along with a van and the kids would have been all trussed up and thrown into the back of a police van without any niceties whatsoever.

And had they've been soccer fans at the last World Cup facing either the German or Polish police...

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RE: Too Rough, Or Doing His JOb? - 7/3/2007 7:43:36 PM   
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The question would not be is it fair, but did the officer use excessive force to subdue the teenagers. having your arm around someone's neck is refered to as a bulldog (where the head goes the body follows) and is only choking if air or blood flow is cut off. Impeded air flow is not choking. The teenagers made the decision to resist a lawful order by a police officer in Arkansas, and suffered the consequences. Had it been my son he would have been running wind sprints until he puked or hauling logs from one spot in the back to another all day. My son would have wished the cops had beat his ass.

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RE: Too Rough, Or Doing His JOb? - 7/3/2007 8:04:57 PM   
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The question would not be is it fair, but did the officer use excessive force to subdue the teenagers. having your arm around someone's neck is refered to as a bulldog (where the head goes the body follows) and is only choking if air or blood flow is cut off. Impeded air flow is not choking. The teenagers made the decision to resist a lawful order by a police officer in Arkansas, and suffered the consequences. Had it been my son he would have been running wind sprints until he puked or hauling logs from one spot in the back to another all day. My son would have wished the cops had beat his ass.

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RE: Too Rough, Or Doing His JOb? - 7/3/2007 8:08:43 PM   
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What do you think?


If they run, they should shoot them.  Why didn't they listen to the police and just submit?  Little assholes need a lesson.

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RE: Too Rough, Or Doing His JOb? - 7/3/2007 8:19:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I like IrishMist's take on it. I know my father made it a rule that if I were punished in any way, I could expect the same or more when I got home. He always checked to be sure it was justified. And woe to me if it was!

This attitude of going overboard protecting the rights of law-breakers is getting downright sickening. Whoever heard of (in my day, I'm 69) of a homeowner being punished for inflicting damage of some sort on someone who just broke into his house???.....

Invictus754 above, You appear to be a bit too rough. Becoming a murderer for instant justice is a bit far fetched!!!

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RE: Too Rough, Or Doing His JOb? - 7/3/2007 8:23:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually George, I was just agreeing with what Orion said.

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RE: Too Rough, Or Doing His JOb? - 7/3/2007 8:24:11 PM   
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Whoever heard of (in my day, I'm 69) of a homeowner being punished for inflicting damage of some sort on someone who just broke into his house???.....


If by 'just broke into', you mean a mere burglary, it hasn't been legal to use enough force to injure someone for that, for decades.


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RE: Too Rough, Or Doing His JOb? - 7/3/2007 9:11:45 PM   
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Whoever heard of (in my day, I'm 69) of a homeowner being punished for inflicting damage of some sort on someone who just broke into his house???.....


If by 'just broke into', you mean a mere burglary, it hasn't been legal to use enough force to injure someone for that, for decades.




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RE: Too Rough, Or Doing His JOb? - 7/3/2007 9:23:50 PM   
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I like IrishMist's take on it. I know my father made it a rule that if I were punished in any way, I could expect the same or more when I got home. He always checked to be sure it was justified. And woe to me if it was!

This attitude of going overboard protecting the rights of law-breakers is getting downright sickening. Whoever heard of (in my day, I'm 69) of a homeowner being punished for inflicting damage of some sort on someone who just broke into his house???.....

Invictus754 above, You appear to be a bit too rough. Becoming a murderer for instant justice is a bit far fetched!!!

George


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RE: Too Rough, Or Doing His JOb? - 7/3/2007 9:54:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Depends on where you live. Break into my home and your ass is dead, and I have not committed a crime. In fact in my state if I feel threatened I can shoot you.


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RE: Too Rough, Or Doing His JOb? - 7/4/2007 1:47:56 AM   
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What do you think?


Skateboarding is banned in the area- I think that means NO skateboarding
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The video shows Williams apparently choking one of the skateboarders after forcing him to the ground, then later chasing and wrestling two others while holding them in a headlock.

So he held the kid down. Would it of been more acceptable if it were a drug dealer he held down?

OK Cuddles   I want  to see what do you think?
You give us these but dont answer them. come on just this once- pretty please LOL

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RE: Too Rough, Or Doing His JOb? - 7/4/2007 1:54:11 AM   
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I loved your reply- I deal with alot of teenagers and what you say is true.
Seems they are being taught they are entitled- can do or say anything they want- nothing is ever their fault- there is no respect- no responsablity- no manners- no work ethic it's a shame (every genteration just seems to get worst)
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  I think he got what he deserved.  Kids today don't learn respect for anyone in most circumstances.  They think they can whine, cry, talk back, and then get away with anything.  I know there are some good ones out there, thank goodness..because there are so many that aren't the world will sure need them to step up as the years go by.

Might seem harsh, but I am so tired of hearing whiny assed teens crying about how they aren't treated fair.  Welcome to the real world, you better get used to it now because it only gets more unfair the older you get.


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