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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 6:37:15 AM   
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Well, now all you cigarette smokers know a little about what it's like to be oppressed for smoking cannabis.



True....and just for the record, i think cannabis should be legalized, personal opinion even though i don't partake in that particular activity.

But the fact remains that smoking cannabis is illegal and smoking cigarettes isn't, hence my thoughts that if it's going to be treated like an illegal activity then it should be MADE an illegal activity



cannabis is illegal? oh shit!!!

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 6:37:26 AM   
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Well, now all you cigarette smokers know a little about what it's like to be oppressed for smoking cannabis.



True....and just for the record, i think cannabis should be legalized, personal opinion even though i don't partake in that particular activity.

But the fact remains that smoking cannabis is illegal



That is incorrect. POSSESSION and COMMERCE is unlawful. There are no laws which prevent Consumption.

And of course, that neglects the Dozen States or so where it *is* perfectly lawful .



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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 6:39:18 AM   
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Well, now all you cigarette smokers know a little about what it's like to be oppressed for smoking cannabis.



True....and just for the record, i think cannabis should be legalized, personal opinion even though i don't partake in that particular activity.

But the fact remains that smoking cannabis is illegal



That is incorrect. POSSESSION and COMMERCE is unlawful. There are no laws which prevent Consumption.

And of course, that neglects the Dozen States or so where it *is* perfectly lawful .


A serious question: don't you have to possess to consume?

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 6:41:28 AM   
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Well, now all you cigarette smokers know a little about what it's like to be oppressed for smoking cannabis.



True....and just for the record, i think cannabis should be legalized, personal opinion even though i don't partake in that particular activity.

But the fact remains that smoking cannabis is illegal and smoking cigarettes isn't, hence my thoughts that if it's going to be treated like an illegal activity then it should be MADE an illegal activity



I suspect that day will come, just as soon as those inclined to do so feel they have the numbers to pass legislation.




You're probably right. 


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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 6:41:42 AM   
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Well, now all you cigarette smokers know a little about what it's like to be oppressed for smoking cannabis.



True....and just for the record, i think cannabis should be legalized, personal opinion even though i don't partake in that particular activity.

But the fact remains that smoking cannabis is illegal



That is incorrect. POSSESSION and COMMERCE is unlawful. There are no laws which prevent Consumption.

And of course, that neglects the Dozen States or so where it *is* perfectly lawful .


A serious question: don't you have to possess to consume?


Yes, no, maybe. Your mileage varies depending on the State, and particulars.

(e.g.: Ed Rosenthal was busted by the Feds for doing something he had a PERMIT TO DO from the local authorities. For some reason the Feds don't want the FACT that he was permitted by the local authorities to be entered into evidence.... )

And simple possession is not Unlawful in New York, under a certain quantity. Is a violation, like a traffic ticket.



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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 6:45:04 AM   
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Well, now all you cigarette smokers know a little about what it's like to be oppressed for smoking cannabis.



True....and just for the record, i think cannabis should be legalized, personal opinion even though i don't partake in that particular activity.

But the fact remains that smoking cannabis is illegal



That is incorrect. POSSESSION and COMMERCE is unlawful. There are no laws which prevent Consumption.

And of course, that neglects the Dozen States or so where it *is* perfectly lawful .


A serious question: don't you have to possess to consume?


Yes, no, maybe. Your mileage varies depending on the State, and particulars.

(e.g.: Ed Rosenthal was busted by the Feds for doing something he had a PERMIT TO DO from the local authorities. For some reason the Feds don't want the FACT that he was permitted by the local authorities to be entered into evidence.... )

And simple possession is not Unlawful in New York, under a certain quantity. Is a violation, like a traffic ticket.



Thanks for the answer. I do support legalization, and it irks me how the feds treat the subject.

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 6:46:22 AM   
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That is incorrect. POSSESSION and COMMERCE is unlawful. There are no laws which prevent Consumption.

And of course, that neglects the Dozen States or so where it *is* perfectly lawful .




my apologies, i figured if there were states that had legalized the consumption of cannabis, i'd have heard about it along the way.  i know there's instances where it's legal for medicinal reasons, but as a pastime/habit, i wasn't aware it was legal anywhere.

Maybe i'm misinformed.  But again, it still doesn't negate the fact that cigarettes are legal everywhere in the US.  To treat a legal activity with the same consequences as any illegal activity is wrong.


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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 6:50:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Feds and States are having a huge pissing match over it. Via the 9th and 10th Amendments, the Federal Government lacks the authority to regulate it ( Remember how banning alcohol needed an Amendment? ), but the Federal Government disagrees.

In practical application, prohibition exists so a Cop can look at a bunch of black kid in a car, and say, "You got any drugs? You mind if I look?", and then use their response as an excuse to continue harassment.



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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 6:52:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting how many here want the government to force other private citizens to run their businesse to suit your whims. 

All that power being abused is a good thing, if it gets you what you want, hmmmmm?

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 8:16:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		     Wow.. I've truly rambled.  I need coffee.. 

   Caffine is addictive, too. It'll probably be next on the list. Maybe all you coffee drinkers need to join forces with the smokers to stop this nonsense. Likewise the fast-food consumers...before your 'burger and fries' become illegal. Alcohol consumers need to get on the bandwagon, too, before it's illegal to have a 'cold one' while you watch the game. Next, anyone who likes to indulge in a little sex, ocassionally(or more often, even), should get involved before that's declared off-limits.
   Seems gun owners and smokers are at the forefront of the 'ban everything' move, for now...but rest assured, whatever your 'thing' is, sooner or later, it will come under fire.
   Many Americans, especially those under 50, don't know what freedom really is. Since the early 60's, our 'rights' have been rapidly eroding...now almost non-existant...as compared to earlier times.
 
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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 8:29:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn't be so addicted to caffeine if I could sleep easier at night, knowing that our gov't was truly watching our for us.

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 8:31:01 AM   
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I wouldn't be so addicted to caffeine if I could sleep easier at night, knowing that our gov't was truly watching our for us.


Stare at the TV some more.. the government's subliminal messages will put you to sleep...

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 8:45:56 AM   
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Stare at the TV some more.. the government's subliminal messages will put you to sleep...


LOL

My extent of TV these days is the occasional episode of Spongebob or Jimmy Neutron, Ghost Hunters and Deadliest Catch. LOL




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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 9:22:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		i agree with 100% of what you said.  i am the same way.  Smoking stinks... it is a nasty habit and certainly unhealthy. 

However, if 'you' do not want me smoking, make it illegal... then leave me the fuck alone about it!    (That will not happen, the government counts on the ton of taxes i give them every time i buy a pack). 

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 9:27:52 AM   
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i agree with 100% of what you said.  i am the same way.  Smoking stinks... it is a nasty habit and certainly unhealthy. 

However, if 'you' do not want me smoking, make it illegal... then leave me the fuck alone about it!    (That will not happen, the government counts on the ton of taxes i give them every time i buy a pack). 


But that isn't the question here... smoking is legal... so is running a business, as long as the existing regulations are followed.

The question is, who is in favor of the government adding more regulations forcing people to hire smokers?

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 9:53:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, They are going to come after coffee drinkers next....Geeez!!

When applying for life insurance why do you think they ask whether you hang glide or participate in motorized racing or are a pilot?....All of these things are legal.....Oooooh...You mean these legal choices might contribute to a higher risk of mortality?

Why should one not consider as an employer the ill effects that smoking might have to my employee...Which will in the end have a direct effect on my business?....Lost sick days...Smoking breaks, loss of efficiency...Higher health insurance premiums...The smell....

My company doesn't hire smokers....I smoke...But hey, I'm the fucking boss...You wanna work for me don't smoke or quit ....Or find an employer who doesn't mind your habit....People come out here and bitch about "air pollution" and other dangers that we all routinely face...Smoking is a choice albeit a bad one....it doesn't help you in any discernible way aside from the effects of the nicotine....Which is just part of the addiction.

I don't care whether the government makes smoking legal or not....At my firm, Domiguy Industries, we don't hire smokers or women who wear any type of under garments.

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 10:05:01 AM   
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My company doesn't hire smokers....I smoke...But hey, I'm the fucking boss...You wanna work for me don't smoke or quit ....Or find an employer who doesn't mind your habit....People come out here and bitch about "air pollution" and other dangers that we all routinely face...Smoking is a choice albeit a bad one....it doesn't help you in any discernible way aside from the effects of the nicotine....Which is just part of the addiction.


I must say.. you truly enjoy living a life full of double standards.  :-)


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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 10:11:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Now B and Instyc can testify to this as up here in Maine the anti smoking propganda machine in runnign hard and blowing smoke up everyrone's ass. The lastest commercials are directed to parents of those 18 and up,LEGAL adults now. The ad are of said offsrpign walking aroudn and being target by BIG tobbaco's  computer, going over thier intrests, etc disposable income. The long and short of the commercial is that its on the PARENTS not the Teenagers who are by law adults to keep them from smoking.

Last time I checked plenty of us did shit our parents told us not to do. My dad smoked whe it was allowed we sat int he smokign sections of the resturants. I smoke too, because of my dad? Maybe not likely considerign i don't smoke the smae brand and have switched to the lil cigars which i smoke on averag one eveyr other week or two on fridays when out at the bar. Whammy number two.

Now as for employeers pickign who they want based on petty shit liek smokign and no smoking. Guess what they have been doing it for years, only before this is was about race. Then it moved on to tattoos and piercings, cuz all inked and pierced up people are unfriendly and can't do a good job.

I agree with everyone else on this first its gonna be smoking and then everythng else. What do you eat? how much do you weigh? What do you watch on tv? What political party to you belong to? What are your religious beliefs? When I was 17 i worked for the water disctrict in las Vegas myself and 3 other went out on smoke breaks every day, but you know what we also did we went on walk with the rest of our particular office around the entire building. i worked in a medical office that sold medical equipment mostly oxygen and apnea machines 5 out of the 8 working there smoked. this was our boss, "I PREFER it if you don't smoke, but as long as the job gets done and you do it far away from the warehouse, go ahead"  Hell when I worked at Chuck E chese they didn't give a rat's ass as logn as we did it in the back and not out front of the building.

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 10:17:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		As a sidenote I'm a little confused when people keep on talking about government interferring with their right to smoke.  This was a private organization deciding on hiring practices for a group thats not a protected class - I don't see whats wrong with that.  And I do think it makes sense, I mean it does seem a little hypocritical for a doctor or health professional to lecture someone on quitting smoking while they are reeking of smoke.

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 10:23:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		There was a time that when you had a car accident...Your little loved ones would go shooting out of the car window....Then the government made car seats mandatory....Why?...Let the idiots kill their kids...the nut doesn't fall far from the tree....

At Domiguy Industries we don't hire smokers...Because they are bad workers....We don't hire them because of the likelihood that our company will suffer do to the direct link of health issues regarding there chosen hobby...it also smells...they take time off to enjoy their habit....And we just don't like them on the premises...Now if we could just do something about that Jew in accounting.

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