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HalloweenWhite -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/6/2007 6:04:28 AM)
Would never consider it safe or sane, and would be shocked and put off if it was consentual, but to each their own.

Ginzie -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/6/2007 6:11:42 AM)
I know limits are the pervue of the participants, but when it goes to punching, then its time to look for some help. There's something else going on besides erotica or pleasure. Just my opinion!

Alumbrado -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/6/2007 6:20:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MellowSir I was just wondering how many that like to be hit like that were abused as children........I do agree with to each their own, just curious.... Project much? [8D]

Rover -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/6/2007 6:23:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ginzie I know limits are the pervue of the participants, but when it goes to punching, then its time to look for some help. There's something else going on besides erotica or pleasure. Just my opinion! Oh, yeah... getting hit with a wooden paddle, or cane, or whip... that's something entirely different. What color is the sky in your world? John

Alumbrado -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/6/2007 6:26:19 AM)
quote: My typically sardonic point was that this sort of activity is quite common "out there" in the BDSM world, and can be seen at nearly any dungeon, play party, event, workshop, etc. That is truly fantastic... I had no idea that bare handed punching and kicking people up to the point of split lips, black eyes, blood, etc. occured at nearly any event, throughout the entire community... I must have really been going to the wrong functions over the years, since the only public play I've seen at that level has been with implements.

Rover -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/6/2007 6:29:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HalloweenWhite Would never consider it safe or sane, and would be shocked and put off if it was consentual, but to each their own. Seriously, if you're "shocked" that it's consensual then you must have some reason to believe that it's not. Is it simply because it's not something that you'd consent to? And that's the beauty of SSC... what is safe and sane for one to engage in is not safe or sane for the next because we're all different, with different abilities, different kinks, different views, etc. SSC is not a rigid structure that produces the same outcome for each person. It's elastic, and relative to each of us individually. And finally, it's opinions like this that validate other people's opinions (vanillas) that everything we engage in cannot be consensual, must be abusive, is not safe or sane, and must be punished/prevented. You're more of a danger to yourself and your freedom than you know. John

Rover -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/6/2007 6:34:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado quote: My typically sardonic point was that this sort of activity is quite common "out there" in the BDSM world, and can be seen at nearly any dungeon, play party, event, workshop, etc. That is truly fantastic... I had no idea that bare handed punching and kicking people up to the point of split lips, black eyes, blood, etc. occured at nearly any event, throughout the entire community... I must have really been going to the wrong functions over the years, since the only public play I've seen at that level has been with implements. Evidently you have. I can say with all candor that similar scenes were conducted at the vast majority (though not all) of the events that I've attended in the past few years. John

KnightofMists -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/6/2007 6:34:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ginzie I know limits are the pervue of the participants, but when it goes to punching, then its time to look for some help. There's something else going on besides erotica or pleasure. Just my opinion! Hey... I just happen to think that a person that considers it ok to use floggers, canes, crops and the like on to a consenting person and considers punching to be a taboo as having serious aversion to responsiblity issues. Yup... it goes back to the "people kill not guns" Regardless of what a person uses.. flogger, crop, hand, foot or nerf bat... it's the TOP that is taking the violent action.. and he/she is responsible for that action. Using some impliment doesn't dissolve this person's responsibility and not using one doesn't increase the responsibility either. Yeah.. some people have mental blocks on the whole idea of using hand/foot in play... However, there is some that disassociate themselves from their actions because they are using an impliment. These are the individuals that have issues that I would be concerned with.

KnightofMists -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/6/2007 6:44:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rover Evidently you have. I can say with all candor that similar scenes were conducted at the vast majority (though not all) of the events that I've attended in the past few years. John I can say that without doubt that every single event I have gone to there has been either punching and/or kicking. Of course.. that might be because it was me doing it W However, that being said... there are a place or two that I have been that I would be surprized to see it occur by someone else. There is a definite glass ceiling mentality that exists in some locations. But, that would be more the exception that the rule in my experience.

Rover -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/6/2007 6:51:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists quote: ORIGINAL: Rover Evidently you have. I can say with all candor that similar scenes were conducted at the vast majority (though not all) of the events that I've attended in the past few years. John I can say that without doubt that every single event I have gone to there has been either punching and/or kicking. Of course.. that might be because it was me doing it W However, that being said... there are a place or two that I have been that I would be surprized to see it occur by someone else. There is a definite glass ceiling mentality that exists in some locations. But, that would be more the exception that the rule in my experience. That's pretty much my experience as well. There are still some very provincial groups that either by accident or design do not venture into some of the edgier play. But as you say, they are certainly the exception rather than the rule. And while this sort of play isn't my personal cup of tea either, it never bothers me that others engage in it and I often watch. Heck, I watch plenty of things that I wouldn't choose to engage in personally, they're often the more interesting scenes to observe. I've watched scenes that included a power stapler, one with a power nailer, some really interesting (and elaborate) carvings (talk about blood!!), a sixteen hook suspension... it's fascinating and beats the heck outta National Geographic!! John

KnightofMists -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/6/2007 7:00:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rover But as you say, they are certainly the exception rather than the rule. What hurts individuals and the lifestyle community as a whole is when these exceptions are considered to be the rule! I learned long ago that no matter what I see or have seen it doesn't reflect the whole of the lifestyle. It only refects the whole of what I have seen and what I have seen will never be all there is to see.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/6/2007 7:08:48 AM)
Well I haven't been to very many events that had kicking/punching/rough take downs at them- but all the bigger ones did and it's really funny that people are saying that it's not really out there AND that it's not ok to do. I'd love to see them go up to someone like Phantom and tell him that to his face just to see his reaction.

Rover -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/6/2007 7:21:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross Well I haven't been to very many events that had kicking/punching/rough take downs at them- but all the bigger ones did and it's really funny that people are saying that it's not really out there AND that it's not ok to do. I'd love to see them go up to someone like Phantom and tell him that to his face just to see his reaction. I have to admit that I generally attend the larger events, but not exclusively. Even in our own little local community, these types of scenes are quite common. Still, I'm inclined to agree with you on two levels. Knight touched on the first issue quite aptly when he said... quote: I learned long ago that no matter what I see or have seen it doesn't reflect the whole of the lifestyle. It only refects the whole of what I have seen and what I have seen will never be all there is to see. Meaning that most people don't attend a lot of different events, and what they know is limited to what they do individually, or have witnessed at a local play party, dungeon, or club. It's not accurate to draw grand conclusions based upon a limited personal experience. And on the second issue, I would pay good money to see one of these Puritans step into a resistance/take down/punching scene with the intent of stopping it because it's not "right" or SSC. There would certainly be a lesson learned by someone. :) Talk about great theater!! John

Aileen68 -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/6/2007 7:33:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rover quote: ORIGINAL: MistressNoName quote: ORIGINAL: Rover Fast reply to no one in particular... Five pages on this topic? Do you people live under rocks? This is so mundane as to be (truly) unworthy of anything that resembles disagreement. John Rover, I disagree. Personally, I have learned a lot from reading this thread and if not for all the disagreement and correcting and clarification going on, I doubt that as much information that has been shared would've come to light. I have a sharp aversion to this kind of play. It is my own personal issue...my own difficulty to wrap my brain around it...my own primal fear of it, if you will. Reading this thread has helped me understand it from various points of view. I consider it time well spent. MNN P.S. And no, I don't live under a rock...I live in a house...in the top floor apartment. [:)] I don't doubt that you (and others) have learned something from this thread. My typically sardonic point was that this sort of activity is quite common "out there" in the BDSM world, and can be seen at nearly any dungeon, play party, event, workshop, etc. It's out there to be seen (or done)... so go see it (and/or do it). Life doesn't show up on our doorstep, we have to venture out on our own. John P.S. - Top floor is best... better view and none of the inconveniences of heavy footed neighbors. There are many like me who don't ever go to play parties, dungeons, etc. or ever remotely discuss bdsm with other people outside of this outlet...so this is informative. For me, this is all sexual and I prefer to explore it privately.

IrishMist -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/6/2007 7:33:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MellowSir I was just wondering how many that like to be hit like that were abused as children........I do agree with to each their own, just curious.... I was never abused. My father took a belt to me once; and that was when I was caught playing with matches in the house at the ripe age of 6

IrishMist -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/6/2007 7:42:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ginzie I know limits are the pervue of the participants, but when it goes to punching, then its time to look for some help. There's something else going on besides erotica or pleasure. Just my opinion! Maybe it's time for you to get off the internet and actually go see those who actually do find pleasure in such activities.

denika -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/6/2007 7:45:44 AM)
A paddle (especially a rather wicked carbon fibre one) can break bones with one solid hit to the back of the calves or shoulders. Same as a Zamboke (not sure if that is spelt right) A hand or foot to break those same bones, well if you are built like Arnold Swartzenegger possible and it will take several strikes, especially if the person is standing and there is no resistance to stop the kinetic force of energy transference. You can do as much damage or more with an implement. Please see Knight's pencil to the nose example... If you have less dexterity with bare hands than with a flogger there are more issues at hand. Again it comes down to the basic.. My kink is okay but your's scares the crap out of me so it can't be okay. Risk Aware Concentual Kink. How we play isn't how most play but it doesn't make it wrong for us. There are abusive partners out there who mask it under the guise of BDSM, but if someone beats their unconcenting partner with a cane until they are mulch or worse will that make canes a taboo toy as well because an abuser decided to make it his weapon of choice? denika

Archer -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/6/2007 7:51:54 AM)
Wow I'm gonna have to start scoring these running broad jumps to conclussions, LOL. Measure them for distance and grade them for technique.

Rover -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/6/2007 8:24:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen68 There are many like me who don't ever go to play parties, dungeons, etc. or ever remotely discuss bdsm with other people outside of this outlet...so this is informative. For me, this is all sexual and I prefer to explore it privately. I certainly wouldn't presume to be seen as telling people what they should do with their lives, and respect your choices for your own life. That said, I'm fairly certain that having made the choice of privacy you would not then presume to make sweeping statements on behalf of all other lifestylers as to what does and doesn't exist, and whether it's "right" or "wrong". Of course, I feel comfortable making that prediction because I've read many of your reasoned and considered posts in order to make such a judgment. But there seem to be more than a few folks who are not so willing to accept that there's more to the world than what takes place within the four walls of their home and do not feel the least bit encumbered from concluding what is "right" and "wrong" for the entirety of BDSM. It's one thing to (relatively) isolate yourself and understand that your world view may be limited by that choice. It's quite another to be (relatively) isolated and portray yourself as worldly (even if by no other means than by making statements of universal fact). John

ripples -> RE: Punching your sub/slave? (7/6/2007 8:27:55 AM)
Archer, Aswad and MadRabbit have made some excellent posts and bought up some extremely relevant points. I wonder how many in a Thug scenario have taken advantage of training as Archer offers and if there have been any occassions where a D has not controlled their aggression sufficiently? To put it into context, I am interested in the physiological reaction to the physical action in this scenario. For instance, if one were to breathe deeply, close one's eyes, think calm thoughts, one's body responds by relaxing. Conversely, if one were to punch, kick, slap, one's body will react accordingly - a rush of adrenaline etc. which in turn increases the force of the punches etc. Is it ever likely that in a Thug play, a D could lose the level of control necessary for pulling punches and end in inflicting unwanted damage? If this were the case, would your training, Archer, be the solution to this theoretical scenario? Many thanks in advance.

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