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RE: another day another thought - 7/6/2007 8:30:06 PM

Mystique567

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Actually when I had Master, he would ignore me, that was worse than any pain punishment.

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RE: another day another thought - 7/6/2007 8:47:13 PM

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if a slave/sub enjoys extreme pain, can/is phyical punishment effective?

Many years ago i would have said: No! ..... punishment can not be effective on a person that enjoys pain. I have overcome this thought process. I have said this quite a few times on the boards in many different forums........"It is all in the INTENT behind the device causing/giving you pain"
(A Flogger for instance can turn into your worst nightmare....it's all in the intent behind it)

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RE: another day another thought - 7/7/2007 6:49:37 AM

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punishment should be something they dont enjoy - if they enjoy pain and not soft caresses then punishment should be a soft gentle caress

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RE: another day another thought - 7/7/2007 7:03:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mystique567

Actually when I had Master, he would ignore me, that was worse than any pain punishment.

i cant bear that. i will literally be ill, not able to eat or sleep from misery....

i had a Dominant that i spoke with online months ago, and he felt it absolutely wonderful to ignore me for days on end as punishment, not caring what it did to me emotionally. Sir knows this, and will NOT break contact with me, even on the rare occasions that i have displeased him.

kitten, who still cringes at thinking about that not-so-nice person....

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RE: another day another thought - 7/7/2007 7:47:56 AM

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While I can agree that it is about the mindset or maybe the type of pain/implement ... I would still rather not intermingle things I do for play with things I do for punishment. So I would be highly unlikely to want to use pain for punishment. I would rather use some form of extra task or withdrawal of privileges plus reflection time and analysis so the sub has time to process what they did wrong, what they should have done and how not to stuff up next time!

I see correction and punishment as 2 entirely different things ... correction is guidance, redirection, perhaps clarifying something I might not have explained sufficiently in the first place. It is a positive learning opportunity allowing for positive reinforcement of what it is I expect and want. Punishment is for disobedience ... something the sub did wrong either deliberately or because they didn't think and apply My rules as they should have done. While it is still a learning opportunity it is accompanied by negative feelings ... disappointment and possibly some level of anger and frustration on My part, and self-punishment and remorse from the sub. I will make a much bigger deal out of something that requires punishment. And I will examine not only the sub's behaviour but Mine ... for something to get to wilful disobedience or plain thoughtlessness, I'd be looking to see if I have in any way contributed to that. Punishment for Me is really a last resort. I would only withdraw My presence for any length of time as an absolute last resort ... otherwise I think it is a very cruel thing to do as kitten said.

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RE: another day another thought - 7/7/2007 8:02:20 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MaamJay

While I can agree that it is about the mindset or maybe the type of pain/implement ... I would still rather not intermingle things I do for play with things I do for punishment. So I would be highly unlikely to want to use pain for punishment. I would rather use some form of extra task or withdrawal of privileges plus reflection time and analysis so the sub has time to process what they did wrong, what they should have done and how not to stuff up next time!

I see correction and punishment as 2 entirely different things ... correction is guidance, redirection, perhaps clarifying something I might not have explained sufficiently in the first place. It is a positive learning opportunity allowing for positive reinforcement of what it is I expect and want. Punishment is for disobedience ... something the sub did wrong either deliberately or because they didn't think and apply My rules as they should have done. While it is still a learning opportunity it is accompanied by negative feelings ... disappointment and possibly some level of anger and frustration on My part, and self-punishment and remorse from the sub. I will make a much bigger deal out of something that requires punishment. And I will examine not only the sub's behaviour but Mine ... for something to get to wilful disobedience or plain thoughtlessness, I'd be looking to see if I have in any way contributed to that. Punishment for Me is really a last resort. I would only withdraw My presence for any length of time as an absolute last resort ... otherwise I think it is a very cruel thing to do as kitten said.

Maam Jay aka violet[A]

As always I enjoy your words Maam Jay. If you happen to post before me I find my post is often unneccessary!

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RE: another day another thought - 7/7/2007 10:12:36 AM

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*blushes* thanks hon ... Me too!
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RE: another day another thought - 7/7/2007 8:53:23 PM

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