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RE: My name says it all - 7/4/2007 3:37:31 PM   
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Good point teamnoir but it's finding someone that wants to do it in the same way you do that's difficult.
I'm dominant so I like to do things my way.
I only do it with a man that I am sexually attracted to and who I hope is submissive to my desires.  Not found one yet lol but I haven't given up.
I would imagine that most women want to be in a loving relationship with a man they admire/respect/trust before they can be BDSM submissive. But let's face it there are very few men that any woman could feel like that about. Or if there are then I must have been really unlucky in my life. I don't mean to offend but women have to take what they can get or go without.

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RE: My name says it all - 7/4/2007 4:09:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: uncollarable

Maybe you are right mistoferin, and I should just stop trying so hard and find someone who accepts me as I am


Maybe you should learn to accept yourself first before you try to find someone who accepts you too.

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ORIGINAL: uncollarable
I think I am not a good submissive because  i question.  I question everything.  I hurt my Dom's feelings when he trys to do nice things for me and i am not grateful the way he thinks I should be.  I speak my mind and i don't fake orgasms or pretend to like shit i don't like.  It about kills me to go along with his ideas when I think he is wrong.  my tongue  is bloody from biting it    and  yet I still manage to run my mouth and   ruin things.

  
All of this smacks of things someone else has said to you and that you have secretly believed...but you are resentful because he/she said them thereby validating them.

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ORIGINAL: uncollarable
He has  made tons of effort, i have made tons of effort and it just feels like I'm never going to find the elusive subspace I so crave.  I don't know if I am capable of just trusting him.  I am always thinking, wondering and evaluating his intentions. 


The effort you've made...is that the effort to be something you aren't? If that's the case, then why should HE trust YOU?

You won't be able to trust anyone else until you learn to trust yourself and learn to be honest with yourself and others about your feelings and intentions.

Being submissive isn't about changing yourself into what someone else wants you to be...it's (partially) about surrendering yourself to someone in an effort to develop what is already there to its fullest potential.

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RE: My name says it all - 7/4/2007 4:11:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MJSunshine

Being submissive isn't about changing yourself into what someone else wants you to be...it's (partially) about surrendering yourself to someone in an effort to develop what is already there to its fullest potential.


Exactly.


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RE: My name says it all - 7/4/2007 4:34:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: uncollarable

I guess I am ready to give up the fantasy that I will ever be a good submissive/slave. What is a person supposed to do when they want to be submissive but they just, aren't.




Why do you want to be submissive?

What do you think being submissive means?

How much of your definition comes from porn or erotica or what others have said? How realistic is it?

Once you've done that, you'll have a better idea of what you are looking for in a partner: someone whose definitions and expectations match yours.


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RE: My name says it all - 7/4/2007 5:10:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: windchymes

I think you should change your name from "uncollarable" to "incompatiblewithmycurrentdom".


Bingo! I've been searching for the last year and a half to find the compatability I had for close to a decade. A couple of trail runs which seemed to work wonderfully for a time before deeper incompatabilitys surfaced... doesn't make them uncollarable girls/bad slaves, nor Me a crap Master, simply that we where not what the other saught... part way there but something not quite connecting.

What you do is keep searching, keep trying and eventualy you will find someone who connects on those deeper levels that sustain the relationship into years and decades.


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RE: My name says it all - 7/4/2007 6:40:16 PM   
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I questioned all the time in the beginning because I didn't know him well enough to trust him fully. That kind of knowledge takes time. It didn't bother him at all because he knew that I would come to learn that he really is the man he presented himself to be; smart, honest, caring, dependable.

As far as grateful the way he should be; I'm grateful to him for many things. Frequently for things that he considers unimportant. Are there times when something is a big thing to him but minor to me? Sure, and vice versa. But he's not in the relationship to have his ego built up all the time. He doesn't dominate me in order to have me thank him.

As far as faking orgasms, nope don't do it. How would he ever know what really turned me on if I lied about it all the time? He would rather have the learning curve and discover what are dependable triggers to get the response he wants. Basic rule of thumb here is that if you aren't comfortable talking about your sexual needs then you shouldn't be having sex with the guy.

About subspace, I go there from sensory deprivation, not from pain. Zero interest in pain here. You want me to float then tie me up, gag and blindfold and leave me there for a while. Even better if I get to have half a dozen orgasms first before he tosses a sheet over me and watches while he has a cup of tea. But I don't go there much because he prefers to have me with him, not zoning off on my own. And that's fine by me too.

Find out what you need, get sufficient self esteem to be able to choose partners wisely, and find someone more compatible.

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RE: My name says it all - 7/4/2007 6:51:23 PM   
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Yep, I gotta go with the incompatible thing..As I have said before....for every hand there is a glove..maybe you have only gotten mittens....be patient..Tempting

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RE: My name says it all - 7/4/2007 7:19:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressDoMe

Are you really 6 4?
I imagine it is hard to find someone tall enough to collar you, standing up.


Not really.

http://www.flashmavi.com/judo_ushiro_koshi_rear_hip_throw.shtml

At which point the throat is within range of the collar.

Sinergy

p.s.  I could have posted my usual comments about logging off the internet and getting involved in real life and decorating one's garden and beautifying one's soul and it will attract the O/one you seek, but I am relaxing and dont feel like going to a pity party tonight.  Good luck!


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RE: My name says it all - 7/4/2007 7:19:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: uncollarable

I guess I am ready to give up the fantasy that I will ever be a good submissive/slave.  What is a person supposed to do when they want to be submissive but they just, aren't. 




Maybe you just aren't submissive and it is just a fantasy.

I want to be a POP STAR!  No matter how hard I try, I am tone deaf, and I cannot sing!  Doesn't mean I have to let go of the fantasy. 

The question is, are you submissive?  Only you know the answer.  It certainly isn't going to be found on this or any other forum.

But I can tell you one thing uncollarable, no-one ever managed to achieve their goal by quitting .... for that you actually have to work hard.

Faith
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RE: My name says it all - 7/4/2007 7:21:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subsfaith

I want to be a POP STAR!  No matter how hard I try, I am tone deaf, and I cannot sing!  Doesn't mean I have to let go of the fantasy. 



Karaoke, live the dream.

Sinergy

p.s.  Karaoke is Japanese for drunken idiot with microphone.

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RE: My name says it all - 7/4/2007 7:23:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lateralist1
I would imagine that most women want to be in a loving relationship with a man they admire/respect/trust before they can be BDSM submissive. But let's face it there are very few men that any woman could feel like that about. Or if there are then I must have been really unlucky in my life. I don't mean to offend but women have to take what they can get or go without.



I have to say, that's a very bleak outlook you have there. I wonder if those things are related.

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RE: My name says it all - 7/4/2007 7:25:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lateralist1
I don't mean to offend but women have to take what they can get or go without.


If you have no wish to offend women, then perhaps you should speak for only yourself.

Faith
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< Message edited by subsfaith -- 7/4/2007 7:27:12 PM >

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RE: My name says it all - 7/4/2007 7:41:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lateralist1

I don't mean to offend but women have to take what they can get or go without.



Maybe that's how things go in Stoke-on-Trent. ~shrug~

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RE: My name says it all - 7/4/2007 7:48:30 PM   
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Are you by chance an Adult Child of an Alcoholic?

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RE: My name says it all - 7/4/2007 8:08:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

quote:

ORIGINAL: subsfaith

I want to be a POP STAR!  No matter how hard I try, I am tone deaf, and I cannot sing!  Doesn't mean I have to let go of the fantasy. 



Karaoke, live the dream.

Sinergy

p.s.  Karaoke is Japanese for drunken idiot with microphone.

  I'm only tone deaf when I can hear myself. LOVE that volume knob.

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RE: My name says it all - 7/4/2007 8:15:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: octavia

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

quote:

ORIGINAL: subsfaith

I want to be a POP STAR!  No matter how hard I try, I am tone deaf, and I cannot sing!  Doesn't mean I have to let go of the fantasy. 



Karaoke, live the dream.

Sinergy

p.s.  Karaoke is Japanese for drunken idiot with microphone.

  I'm only tone deaf when I can hear myself. LOVE that volume knob.


Don't you hate when for some reason the music cuts out and you actually hear yourself. You go from beyounce to the bad contestant on American Idol

lol totally been there done that, felt like a doofus hehe

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RE: My name says it all - 7/4/2007 8:28:32 PM   
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Dear uncollarable, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
In my mind's eyes I see several reasons behind the feelings that a person or self, is uncollarable.
 
One, is the attitude that one has that sabatoges anything or anyone who shows interest in you or puts effort into seeing you see what they see in you--not what you see in yourself, which can be seen as a unbroken threads in the mind, the emotions and the spirit saying 'I can't' because of a series of excuses.  Of course it is a self fulfilling prophecy or insight.  You create the unhappy scenerio. The excuses for being alone in short--justifies you being alone and miserable.
 
Second, is timing--where it is not the right time for a relationship, as there is unfinished business.  This can be lack of closure in past relationships and a bit of hope that exists that the past can be renewed or salvaged to put life into what is dead for another person and a person having no closure still attempting CPR on it.  Sometimes it is the lack of a good-bye, an explaination and or just parting due to growth taking different directions.  Until there is a closure the newest relationship might be new to the partner but, the person feeling uncollarable is still attached to the past...thus, draws that past into the new relationship and thwarts the renewing of vision, goals and judgment of others--to include self; as to make it work based on a whole new relationship--not hanging an piano over the new Dominant's head per se.
 
Third, is that the original intention was never to have a successful relationship in the first place.  It may manifest as a 'need' on a temporary basis for safety, security and or grounding but, in the positioning of being rescued, needing a haven, need for a financial support for that time until it is no longer needed and a person feels strong enough to be independent.  The need for a Dominant then no longer exists so there is a manipulation, trickery and such--as to create the desolving of the relationship.  Some people hop from one fry pan to another, until the enabler (Dominant) grows weary and the games are soon to end.
 
Fourth,  there is indeed the lack of 'truth' that needs to exist in being honest with self and with others--Denial has raged and controlled the period of time when the 'game' is up inside of the person and realization no matter how the brush paints over truth--its been a total fraud, a total act or playing people and the inner conscience finally says the time to act is over.  Those who have supported and believed you--cannot believe the 'you' was an act--so they're the ones that are in denial.  As I have seen--some people believe their own con games and the truth is hard to recognized as a lie becomes a truth.  The truth then becomes a lie.  I've seen a few people who call themselves leaders and such -- nothing but a fraud but, they lie to people so well--people believe them instead of those who have been truthful all along.  (We see this in politics as well).
 
Fifth, is to come at a point where there is a mismatch.  Some of the mismatches come from different levels of growth and or a splintering into different interests.  Some people describe relationships that have this riff as 'falling out of love, etc.'  Instead of seeing the relationship for all of it's positives and opportunity of growth and 'learning' about self and powers within; it is easier to see the negatives and have a pity party because we (in a general sense) don't get our way--it is our controlling nature.  Of course, Nature has a way to remind us (in general) that life is not fair or easy.  We (in general) learn more from our sufferings, mistakes, struggles and successes rather than having everything done for us and presented on a tray made of Sterling Silver.  If there is a growth to which it is time to move on --as a Dominant, I consider myself honored to have been the stepping stone to that slave's progress in life and growth--and future happiness.  Leaving another person--be it Dominant or submissive, in a better state--we are good custodians of human kind in the Lifestyle/BDSM community.  Some relationships are not meant to last forever--few last forever but, it is because the glue that holds it together surpasses BDSM, sex and such--it is about compassion, consideration, affection and truth/honesty to each other.  The good, the bad and the ugly of 'self.'  Hiding self from a partner isn't fair and it takes extreme amount of rebuilding of trust as to reestablish a relationship.
 
Sixth--To use pity, sympathy, tricks, lies, manipulation and using another's goodness against them is the most foul.  It is a controlling behavior and or attitude.  To make an example is of Scarlett in the famous movie of "Gone with the Wind." -- So many times, towards the end with Rhett Butler--who really loved her--she really didn't know what real love was or is--until it became crystal clear at Melonie's death bed.  Then--it was too late.  It is much easier to confess to another--that one does not know how to feel love or what 'love' is or recognize it.  After all, love can mean so many things to so many people.  It is something that has to be felt--not something to pretend.  Being unhappy--can create the need to be alone. 
 
That said, only those within their own spirit of intent--will know what is good or evil.  No matter the excuses--all people really want, is to have honesty, respect and acceptance.  Some people cheat--some come to it truthfully.  Analyzing within, will hopefully lead to discovery to one's answers.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
(My name says it all -- I am a Lady who loves to Hug)
 
 
 
 
 
 

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RE: My name says it all - 7/4/2007 8:39:35 PM   
salilus


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ORIGINAL: uncollarable

I am 5'4  I will have to fix that.  And no, Im not brand new.  I just have shit canned my old profile for this one.  Seems a more fitting name.  Maybe you are right mistoferin, and I should just stop trying so hard and find someone who accepts me as I am, rather than as a more "submissive" woman. 

I think I am not a good submissive because  i question.  I question everything.  I hurt my Dom's feelings when he trys to do nice things for me and i am not grateful the way he thinks I should be.  I speak my mind and i don't fake orgasms or pretend to like shit i don't like.  It about kills me to go along with his ideas when I think he is wrong.  my tongue  is bloody from biting it    and  yet I still manage to run my mouth and   ruin things.   He has  made tons of effort, i have made tons of effort and it just feels like I'm never going to find the elusive subspace I so crave.  I don't know if I am capable of just trusting him.  I am always thinking, wondering and evaluating his intentions. 


If you are not capable of trusting him, how did you end up in the relationship in the first place? I'm always curious when I hear that. Of course, I know it's possible because I've done it myself in the past.

I will say that if you're not willing to trust him, it probably won't ever work.
I will also say that there are very, very few dominants out there who will drag you, kicking and screaming, into submission. If you want someone to control/dominate you, you have to let them, at some point. You might get lucky and find someone who will be patient enough to wait for you to troop your half of the way into that submission, but they're never going to be able to get you all the way there if you cannot trust them enough to allow them to dominante/control you.

Be patient with yourself and the relationship (if you trust said person in the relationship, of course). We've been getting ever deeper into this life for three years now and I'm still not where I would like to be. I still argue and I still disobey sometimes. I'm far from "there" but I've also learned that it gets better when I'm not pressuring myself and him to... go deeper? Be more intense? I'm short on words because it's late and I have a head cold.

Don't pretend to like things that you really don't. DO discuss what you like and don't like and would be willing to do simply to please him, regardless of like or desire. Don't fake anything.

And for heaven sakes, don't base yourself on the submissive folks that wander about, claiming they met their owner and, from day one, everything was perfect and lovely and they never disobey or argue or even think for themselves if it doesn't benefit him in some way. A few of those people might be telling the truth, but I honestly think the rest are just writing bedtime stories.

Finally - questioning. It's really okay to question your owner. It's not okay to expect them to answer you the way you them to, tell you what you want to hear, or completely discount their answer. Heck, I'm even allowed to say, "I don't think THAT's going to work," or "I would do X this way, if it were me..." What I'm not allowed to do, is repeat my opinions, over and over, expecting him to follow them - that's nagging. But! Questioning and having opinions are and should be good things. A brain is lovely item - everyone should have one, really.

I really hope you're able to have what you want one day.

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RE: My name says it all - 7/4/2007 8:41:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: octavia




I agree.  I think your just with someone incompatible. 
note: Edited for spelling


I might have to agree with you Oct. if uncollarable doesn't feel free to speak her mind completely to her Dominant, and ends up with a bloody tounge, then she should find someone else who she feels will listen, teach and entrust honesty and integrity in their relationship.

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RE: My name says it all - 7/4/2007 8:57:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

I wonder if posting " I can't be dommed" did the trick and she now has a new batch of dominants to reject so she can start the cycle all over again about how superiour she is and how inferiorer men are.




Actually Michael No.  She doesn't cause she is me.  I posted this under this alias in an attempt to vent and not   attract attention or offend anyone.  It didn't work.  Had I been doing for attention I would have posted under my main profile. 

I have met many neato people on these boards and chatted with many Dom men.  A few have stood out, I've made friends with a few more , and I've made arrangememts to meet One this weekend.  The last time I got squirrly and posted about my struggles in getting to know Him, he read it and it upset Him.  Rightly so, it wasn't very flattering to him.  I am not a good submissive.  I have known this all along and it is among the first things I cover in a new converstation.  I question absolutely everything, every single intention every single action.  I trust very sparingly.  In my post here as uncollarable, I put in untruths in an attempt to throw people off, I didn't want him to read it and get upset again.  Damn it all to hell, he fookin figured it out anyway!!!! 
Just to clarify, I have never faked an orgasm.  My tounge is not bloody and he has been infinately patient with my "non subby" outbursts. 

He may never speak to me again, he feels betrayed and mistrustful now.  I feel at a loss, I need a place to vent and learn and talk about all this stuff as i go through it.  Since he has been reading my posts, I no longer have this as a place to just bring all this stuff up to process it without worrying about how it would effect him.   Kinda like the friends I would go have coffee with you know?  I don't have  a slew of BDSM friends to turn too, only a few and these boards.  Ironically, as I work through the stuff I have gone through, he has always come out in my mind in a place of more respect and admiration, no matter what i originally post and frankly,. I thought I was posting about myself here and my stuggles. , I thought this was the solution.  Apprently not. 

My deapest apoligies to everyone, exspecially Him.

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