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Consideration - 7/4/2007 7:21:50 PM   
saseblubutrfly


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Status: offline 		When a sub is under consideration with a Dom and she no longer wishes to be considered, why can't she tell him that she no longer wants to be considered? It is, after all her choice, is it not?
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RE: Consideration - 7/4/2007 7:23:27 PM   
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She can, and yes it is.

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RE: Consideration - 7/4/2007 7:25:24 PM   
Absolutemaster


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< Message edited by Absolutemaster -- 7/4/2007 7:26:34 PM >

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RE: Consideration - 7/4/2007 7:29:43 PM   
MagiksSlave


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Status: offline 		This is the point where the Sub owes the Dom nothing and can just walk away if she so wishes, that is why it is the Consideration period, both are considering eachother there is no commitment made and there for you can just walk away, and if he is telling you you cant it is all the more reason to walk away and ignore him.

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RE: Consideration - 7/4/2007 7:49:47 PM   
saseblubutrfly


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Status: offline 		She's been told that it wasn't her choice but his. She needed to straighten up and act like she's supposed to. How do you act when you're under consideration? Is there proper behavior when under consideration and don't want to be? Is there proper consideration...PERIOD?

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RE: Consideration - 7/4/2007 7:53:54 PM   
subsfaith


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Status: offline 		I agree with what has been posted so far. 

But I will add that even after entering ito a relationship with a dominant, it is also choice whether you walk away or not.  Being collared and asking for release are all about protocol and some people do follow them to the letter.  However I suspect that if most collared slaves actually caught their Master sodomising their dead granny in the Chapel of Rest, then they would (a) first try and physically kill said dom, and/or (b) wouldn't hang around to even ask the question, "could I be released please Sir?"... let alone wait for the answer.

Common sense should prevail.

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RE: Consideration - 7/4/2007 7:54:15 PM   
MadRabbit


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Status: offline 		Heres a mind blower...Whats stopping a slave in a consentual relationship from telling the Master to fuck off when consideration is over and is collared?

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RE: Consideration - 7/4/2007 7:54:37 PM   
DiurnalVampire


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Status: offline 		If you no longer wish to be considered, for any reason, then you walk away. Until that consideration period is over, you are not under any requirement to do anything.  Assumeing you wish to be owed by the one considering you, obviously you ask how you are expected to act and you behave accordingly.  If at any point you decide it is not for you, you walk. If someone tells you during the consideration period that you cannot do that, then you had best walk quickly. If they are that concerned with your leaving during that period, then they are not truly interested in YOU and more with the aquisition of something. There is no proper way to act, that should have been discussed when you entered the consideration period.
If you wish to continue your consideration with them, talk to them about what they want.  If you do not, then cut off contact and move on. Your 2 posts dont agree, first it sounds like you want out, then your asking how to stay under consideration and straighten up.  Make your choice, you cant have both sides.

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RE: Consideration - 7/4/2007 8:07:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Heres a mind blower...Whats stopping a slave in a consentual relationship from telling the Master to fuck off when consideration is over and is collared?



Nothing but respect if he's worthy of it.

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RE: Consideration - 7/4/2007 8:09:08 PM   
saseblubutrfly


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ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

Your 2 posts dont agree, first it sounds like you want out, then your asking how to stay under consideration and straighten up.  Make your choice, you cant have both sides.


Its not that she wants it both ways. How is she supposed to act appropriately when she doesn't want to be there to begin with?

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RE: Consideration - 7/4/2007 8:12:08 PM   
slaveish


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Status: offline 		Then why is she there, butterfly? This is very simple.

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RE: Consideration - 7/4/2007 8:15:15 PM   
octavia


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ORIGINAL: slaveish

quote:

ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Heres a mind blower...Whats stopping a slave in a consentual relationship from telling the Master to fuck off when consideration is over and is collared?



Nothing but respect if he's worthy of it.

There is always my personal integrity to take into account as well.  Personally I behave in accordance with my values, not anyone else's and choose to show all people respect, deserved or not.   But, more to the point of the thread, a D/s relationship is still a relationship and one or both parties can call it off any time.
On a side note, cute new avvy Rabbit.. but I gotta say I miss seeing your face by your posts.

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RE: Consideration - 7/4/2007 8:21:18 PM   
MadRabbit


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Status: offline 		Bah...I'm just an ugly hippy...pfft...

Rabbits are so much cuter.

For clarification, I wasnt trying to get all negative. Just simply trying to drive a point home.

This is just another relationship, no different than any other. What happens in the relationship is defined by the two people.

In the end, in an objective sense, a slave can leave just as easily as a girlfriend in a vanilla relationship can.

The ties that bind people in the relationship are defined by the people in the relatonship and not by a "consideration" period or a "collaring" period or an "after collaring party" period.

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RE: Consideration - 7/4/2007 8:24:55 PM   
slaveish


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ORIGINAL: octavia

There is always my personal integrity to take into account as well.  Personally I behave in accordance with my values, not anyone else's and choose to show all people respect, deserved or not. 



Respect and trust are earned. To receive it, one must be worthy of it. Similarly, disrespect and distrust are earned. This applies not only to others but also to the self. If I cannot stand up for myself when necessary then I do not respect my place in my own life. If I do not respect myself then others cannot respect me. 

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RE: Consideration - 7/4/2007 9:36:28 PM   
Slavetrainer2007


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ORIGINAL: saseblubutrfly

When a sub is under consideration with a Dom and she no longer wishes to be considered, why can't she tell him that she no longer wants to be considered? It is, after all her choice, is it not?



To clear up a common misconception: A sub/slave can do whatever they want  in therory. Unless he has you in a cage, then i would say your up the creek with no paddles or a boat. 

You consent to everything, so you can not consent to everything including but not limited too: sex, submitting, under consideration, under protection and underwear.

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RE: Consideration - 7/4/2007 9:38:38 PM   
DiurnalVampire


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Status: offline 		If she doesnt want to be there then there is NO correct way to act. Why bother trying to keep someone happy when your not interested in being with them? If you want out, then leave. 

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RE: Consideration - 7/4/2007 9:44:34 PM   
MagiksSlave


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Status: offline 		I dont know what is so hard to get here. If she doesnt want to be his or be under consideration there is no way to act. The only thing to do is to walk away. Tell him to fuck off and block him in every way shape and form if he doesnt want to listen to that. He has no right to tell her she cant chose. Even if they where collared he couldnt do tell her she had to stay if she didnt want to.

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RE: Consideration - 7/4/2007 9:56:55 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Status: offline 		Well no matter what you agreed to when you came under consideration (such as 'I know I want to be your slave forever, but you aren't decided yet, so I'll wait and see') it doesn't matter.  This is still a relationship based on consent, and it's MUCH better to just end it now rather than wait.

And any dork who puts someone under consideration and then tries to tell them THEY can't leave yet isn't really someone you want to be in a long term situation with anyway, is it?

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RE: Consideration - 7/4/2007 10:59:07 PM   
octavia


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ORIGINAL: slaveish

quote:

ORIGINAL: octavia

There is always my personal integrity to take into account as well.  Personally I behave in accordance with my values, not anyone else's and choose to show all people respect, deserved or not. 



Respect and trust are earned. To receive it, one must be worthy of it. Similarly, disrespect and distrust are earned. This applies not only to others but also to the self. If I cannot stand up for myself when necessary then I do not respect my place in my own life. If I do not respect myself then others cannot respect me. 


Feeling respect and showing respect are two different things.

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RE: Consideration - 7/4/2007 11:09:14 PM   
Pleasur


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ORIGINAL: saseblubutrfly

She's been told that it wasn't her choice but his. She needed to straighten up and act like she's supposed to. How do you act when you're under consideration? Is there proper behavior when under consideration and don't want to be? Is there proper consideration...PERIOD?


Whoever told her that doesn't know what he's/she's talking about.  If the sub/slave isn't inspired by his dominance, doesn't think that a d/s relationship will enhance her (as well as him) and most importantly, doesn't feel she will be treasured, it's time to say "no, thank you," and walk away.  He doesn't have any more privileges just because he calls himself a "dom."

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