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thompsonx -> RE: Drug Legalization (7/7/2007 12:32:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen68 quote: ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne i say legalize marijuana and outlaw alcohol, but no one ever listens to me...... No no no...a toke followed by a glass of wine or a beer is just gooood. Aileen: So it would appear that you do not feel that bong water is an aperitif. thompson

thompsonx -> RE: Drug Legalization (7/7/2007 12:45:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lighthearted hello Orion, the problem with any discussion with regard to politics, religion, drugs, etc is that the parties involved all have their respective opinions, and, whether they care to admit it or not, pretty much have no interest in really having their opinions swayed. I, at least, was forthright enough to state that from the start. just because my feelings are emotional doesn't mean they are irrational. Most any dictionary would find trouble with this statement. find me more than one random person who has had a family member die from a drug overdose that is in favor of legalizing drugs and I will be happy to listen to what they have to say. If you were to look in the PDR (physicians desk reference) you will find all the drugs listed with all of their side effects. Those drugs which are lethal are noted as such. The lethal dose (LD 50) is always noted. LD 50 means that if x dose of this drug is administered to 100 normally healthy people 50% will die. There is no LED 50 for Heroin or Cocaine. So what law enforcement likes to call death by drug overdose is actually death by an overdose of some substance used to adulterate the drug and not the drug itself. I'm confused by your need to berate me. I don't feel the need to be paranoid of every piece of information that tells me something I don't want to hear and cry, it must be a government conspiracy! the real question here, is, why take a chance on the health of an unborn baby? because you haven't been convinced? put the bong down! it's easy, right, because pot is not addicting! Sex is not addictive but I would not care to quit just to prove that I can.

thompsonx -> RE: Drug Legalization (7/7/2007 12:49:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn If they ever legalize pot, I'm opening an all-night McDonalds. caitlyn: I think the money is going to be with a Baskin Robbins 31 flavors franchise. thompson

SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: Drug Legalization (7/7/2007 12:51:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn If they ever legalize pot, I'm opening an all-night McDonalds. caitlyn: I think the money is going to be with a Baskin Robbins 31 flavors franchise. thompson or a mickey d's with ice cream and one of them chocolate fountains.......with a thing of salty peanuts by the chocolate fountain

surmatise -> RE: Drug Legalization (7/7/2007 12:59:07 PM)
In my honest opinion It would be a huge mistake to legalize drugs. Even Marijuana though proven to be less harmfull than smokeing ciggarettes or drinking alcohol it is proven to be a gateway drug. Waht I see happening if marijuana became legal is a chain reaction leading to more and more drugs becomeing legal. Knowing activists and protestors ways throughout history they dont get satisfied ever. They argue for one thing to be legal and when they get it they just move on to arguing to get something else even worse legalized. I admit I have tried marijuana before so call me a hypocrit if you want but I honestly hated the high feeling. The feeling that it was both to cold and to hot for me at the same time. Anyway I dont think legalizeing it would be a very good idea.

thompsonx -> RE: Drug Legalization (7/7/2007 1:00:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: uwinceismile sinergy, i saw in ur post that most drug related offences vanished in the netherlands... did what you read on this give an indication as to why? The costs of legal heroin and cocaine are similar to the price of salt and pepper. Even a derelict can make that kind of money picking up beer cans. were they getting free drugs? this is one of my concerns i voiced earlier,,,supply may become plentiful, but the everyday user still has to pay... im sincere in my questions . i dont particularly care for the eastern european model in many ways, but if they found something that really works,,id love to hear it, thank u The Netherlands are not in eastern Europe...They are a bit north east of France and a bit south of Sweden.... Some would call them socialists...you know universal health care, free public education and from what I have heard very strict bank secrecy laws. We have TGIFridays and Hooters for booze they have The Bulldog for marijuana.

thompsonx -> RE: Drug Legalization (7/7/2007 1:12:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: uwinceismile is legalizing drugs a good idea to you? Yes. No piddling about with 'decriminalizing' marijuana or other politically correct baby-steps. Legalize ALL of it, regulate it as we do alcohol, tax it. Any way you look at it, our current methodology is a failure. (I'm gonna need to brew up a strong pot of coffee, but I'll be happy to discuss this one with all comers.) Rich: For a guy who claims to be a conservative you sure are sounding a lot like one of those "tax and spend" liberals you are always castigating. Don't we have enough taxes? Aren't we being taxed into the poor house now? Why do you want to lay yet another load on the citizens? Just legalize it and leave the tax man out of it. Just think how much money we will save by not incarcerating people for drug use. I read recently that something like 70% of the people in the slammer are there on drug related charges. Think of the savings to the tax payers if we needed 70% less jail space, 70% fewer prison guards,70% fewer judges and prosecutors. Think of how safe the streets might be if the cops had 70% more time to devote to real crime instead of busting some one doing dope. Next thing we know you will be advocating taxing sex.[;)] thompson

Sinergy -> RE: Drug Legalization (7/7/2007 1:21:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: Why? What makes alcohol so special that it can have all the bad outcomes it has and still be legal? Taxes? We cant tax and regulate marijuana, heroin, crystal methadrine, ecstasy, etc., etc., etc.,? Why not? Sinergy

thompsonx -> RE: Drug Legalization (7/7/2007 1:31:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HaveRopeWillBind Okay, so drugs are legalized and as you are getting on an airliner and you glance in the flight deck and see both pilot and copilot burning rocks. Do you stay on the plane or get off? If you get off then no matter what you may think you really are not for legalization. HaveRopeWillBind: It is illegal to pilot a commercial airliner impaired. It makes no difference what the source of the impairment is. If you are referring to "burning rocks" as doing crack cocaine then I would question your knowledge of what you are talking about. That is the equivalent to drinking raw sewage as opposed to pure water. No one who had access to pure and inexpensive cocaine would ever even think of doing crack. thompson

SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: Drug Legalization (7/7/2007 1:36:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HaveRopeWillBind Okay, so drugs are legalized and as you are getting on an airliner and you glance in the flight deck and see both pilot and copilot burning rocks. Do you stay on the plane or get off? If you get off then no matter what you may think you really are not for legalization. id walk off if they were doing shots of takillya, drinking a beer, add any mind altering drug here.......legal or not....but i dont care if they smoked a joint the night before

Sinergy -> RE: Drug Legalization (7/7/2007 1:45:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne quote: ORIGINAL: HaveRopeWillBind Okay, so drugs are legalized and as you are getting on an airliner and you glance in the flight deck and see both pilot and copilot burning rocks. Do you stay on the plane or get off? If you get off then no matter what you may think you really are not for legalization. id walk off if they were doing shots of takillya, drinking a beer, add any mind altering drug here.......legal or not....but i dont care if they smoked a joint the night before Illegal for a pilot to have any substance which causes impairment 24 hours before flying. Also illegal for pilots to play video games or go in simulators for 24 hours before flying. Laws regulating pilots are extremely strict. Sinergy

thompsonx -> RE: Drug Legalization (7/7/2007 1:46:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: surmatise In my honest opinion It would be a huge mistake to legalize drugs. Even Marijuana though proven to be less harmfull than smokeing ciggarettes or drinking alcohol it is proven to be a gateway drug. Perhaps you could share with us the government sponsored site where this data is available. Waht I see happening if marijuana became legal is a chain reaction leading to more and more drugs becomeing legal. Knowing activists and protestors ways throughout history they dont get satisfied ever. They argue for one thing to be legal and when they get it they just move on to arguing to get something else even worse legalized. Do you mean the activists that sought to make it legal for blacks and women to vote. Yeah the next thing you know they wanted to hold office and own property. You know there was a time when people like you were not franchised. Now you can vote and own property in your own name and even voice your opinion all because of social activists. I admit I have tried marijuana before so call me a hypocrit if you want but I honestly hated the high feeling. The feeling that it was both to cold and to hot for me at the same time. Anyway I dont think legalizeing it would be a very good idea. If you choose not to do drugs that is your prerogative. Why do you seek to impose your likes and dislikes on others who do not share them?

Sinergy -> RE: Drug Legalization (7/7/2007 1:50:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: surmatise In my honest opinion It would be a huge mistake to legalize drugs. Even Marijuana though proven to be less harmfull than smokeing ciggarettes or drinking alcohol it is proven to be a gateway drug. Perhaps you could share with us the government sponsored site where this data is available. Duh. http://www.amazon.com/Reefer-Madness-Musical-Kristen-Bell/dp/B000AYQOA6 Sinergy

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Drug Legalization (7/7/2007 1:50:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: surmatise In my honest opinion It would be a huge mistake to legalize drugs. Even Marijuana though proven to be less harmfull than smokeing ciggarettes or drinking alcohol it is proven to be a gateway drug. Waht I see happening if marijuana became legal is a chain reaction leading to more and more drugs becomeing legal. Knowing activists and protestors ways throughout history they dont get satisfied ever. They argue for one thing to be legal and when they get it they just move on to arguing to get something else even worse legalized. I admit I have tried marijuana before so call me a hypocrit if you want but I honestly hated the high feeling. The feeling that it was both to cold and to hot for me at the same time. Anyway I dont think legalizeing it would be a very good idea. I'm curious as to what have these activists you speak of gotten to be legal. I'm highly aware of the fact that activists have gotten more and more things to become illegal or restrictied, but that isn't what you spoke of. Last drug related legalization I recall is alchol. Did I miss something? Actually, I can't recall anything that has become "legal", in the past twenty years that was previously illegal, in regards to personal freedom. Hmmm, attempt at gay marriage legalization? Everything else I can recall at this moment is just more laws or prohibitions against behaviour. At some point the wave has to fall back a bit in some area or another.

SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: Drug Legalization (7/7/2007 1:52:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy Illegal for a pilot to have any substance which causes impairment 24 hours before flying. Also illegal for pilots to play video games or go in simulators for 24 hours before flying. Laws regulating pilots are extremely strict. Sinergy ok-i dont care if he smoked a joint 2 days ago-lol-i dont want him losing his job

TheHeretic -> RE: Drug Legalization (7/7/2007 1:56:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Rich: For a guy who claims to be a conservative you sure are sounding a lot like one of those "tax and spend" liberals you are always castigating. I'm no anarchist. The money to properly address the public health aspects that will remain has to come from somewhere. Besides, I think prices would still come down, if that is what's worrying you [:D].

Lockit -> RE: Drug Legalization (7/7/2007 2:14:19 PM)
All I have to say is that I am ill and many medications harm me. I suffer greatly because there is nothing legal that can help me with some of the many symptoms I have. With my doctor's approval, pot was used and I do believe kept me from serious harm because I could not eat any other way. It helps me in many ways. I resent that to use it in most places, I have to become a criminal to provide for my medical needs. I resent having to deal with people I would not otherwise deal with to supply for my medical needs. I can go without and suffer more than you would care to know about or I am a criminal because I am ill and choose not to suffer as much so that I can have some semblance of life. Personally, I feel the high is a side effect and I don't like it at all... but I love what this medication can do for me! lighthearted said she would like to know one person who has had a loved one that died of an overdose, to say they would like drugs legalized. I don't know if I can fit into that frame... but let me tell you a bit of my story so you can determine that yourself. My son was addicted to alcohol (which by far was the worst) and drugs. Under the infulence he hung himself. He died. They brought him back with all those modern machines and methods. He is now brain damaged and was subjected to the hospital's protecting their tail ends because I had him in their care, they knew he would repeat and needed help, as well as the police... and my son who had asked for help and released him. Six hours later at his favorite bar where they knew he was suicidal but served him because he was a regular customer and a big spender... he hung himself in their outdoor smoking area. Foolish I know... but besides that fact... YES... I do believe in the legalization of drugs. I have even recently learned from a study... I can't tell you where to find as my hacker/stalker killed my computer that I had it on... that brain damaged people can sometimes benefit from pot. So even my son might benefit, but I won't know until it is legal. I now take care of my son even though I am ill myself and I don't know what will happen to him when I am gone. I do know it will cost the tax payers a lot more for someone else to care for him. I do know that my life has been ruined in many ways and it is hard not being able to take care of medical needs I have so that I can last longer... have a better life and save the tax payers a lot of money. Just my two cents...

Sinergy -> RE: Drug Legalization (7/7/2007 2:22:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lockit All I have to say is that I am ill and many medications harm me. I suffer greatly because there is nothing legal that can help me with some of the many symptoms I have. With my doctor's approval, pot was used and I do believe kept me from serious harm because I could not eat any other way. It helps me in many ways. You have my sympathies, Lockit. I imagine the people who think marijuana should be outlawed might change their mind when they get to be there as a friend withers away and dies of cancer, and hearing this person they are close to express the fact that the only thing that makes life bearable, food stay in one's stomach, being hungry, etc., is THC. I became rather militant on this subject when I was there for a close friend's last two years with us. R.I.P. Vivien, you are missed. Sinergy

Lockit -> RE: Drug Legalization (7/7/2007 2:30:48 PM)
Sinergy, You too have my sympathies... that must have been hell to stand by and watch... but what a blessing indeed to have a friend such as you to stand there! It is true... people just don't know... until they are there and simple fact is... most of us end there! Lockit

Guilty1974 -> RE: Drug Legalization (7/7/2007 3:42:05 PM)
I think there some drugs that are too dangerous to be legalised. Heroin, for instance, or crack. On the other hand, there's a whole range of drugs that I wouldn't mind being legalised, like marijuana, xtc, psychedelic mushrooms and certain synthetic psychedelia. The medical dangers of such drugs are limited and their use doesn't rule out a normal, stable family life and keeping a job. It doesn't inhibit normal participation in society. As whether or not drug use would go up, marijuana here is as good as legal, and I don't think experimental and more regular use is much higher here than in other western countries. On the other hand, the war on drugs to me seems a huge waste of time, money, and policing resources that could be spend a whole lot better on social care, education, health care, etc.

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