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Urgent help needed!! - 6/16/2005 12:13:59 PM   
dom_dotcom


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Status: offline 		Hello everyone...

Not sure if this is the correct place to post this but hope it is...

It is regarding a friend, Elissa, a.k.a. friskee_lil_kitten who needs the help of all of us in the bdsm community and from anyone else who will take the time to do the same.

Elissa is a submissive who lives in California and has been fighting cancer for a very long time and while several times it has seemed like she has it beat, it has returned and has gotten bad.

The surgeon who operated on her previously has given up hope and will no longer operate on her and she has been off chemo for months now.

The good news is that she has found another surgeon who feels he can help if the operation is done soon... (her cancer is growing fast so time is of the essence) and will even do the operation for free... however her HMO insurance will not cover her other expenses (hospital bills, radiologist, pathologist and anesthesiologist) which will be fairly substantial so she still cannot get the surgery she needs so badly to save her life and give her a chance...

This is where you come in and NO SHE IS NOT LOOKING FOR YOUR MONEY so relax.

She would however REALLY appreciate you adding your name to a petition which she will present to a number of organizations and individuals which she hopes will help her pay for this portion of her expenses so she can get this operation which will hopefully save her life.

It will only take you a minute of your time and might make a huge difference in the life of this girl who has fought so very hard just to survive and will give her some hope. Perhaps with our help her daughters, family and friends will not lose her... will you help?

Please go to:
http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/HMO_Petition/
and add your name to the petition for Elissa.

Thank you very much in advance for taking the time to help.
I will provide updates where available and keep you all posted... thanks again!

~DDC
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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/16/2005 12:53:01 PM   
KarbonCopy


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But, it really sounds like scam.

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/16/2005 4:20:06 PM   
subcheryl


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Status: offline 		why does this sound like a scam? I checked out the site and I did sign, from experience in my family insurance companies are like that, Have a sis who is sever diabetic, they pay for her insulin, her other medical needs and when her kidneys failed paid for dialise(sp), but when it came to the kidney transplant, which another sis donated, they would not pay for it? ? ? ? would they rather have paid for all the dialise(sp) for the rest of her life? doesn't seem logical to me! also workmans comp did it to me, had an on the job knee injury, had to have two surgeries on it when it came to third one their dr said it wasn't needed as he felt the continuous pain that I had from the onset wasn't caused from orig injury, go figure, I ended up sueing for the costs and pain and suffering. So to me it is very possible and real.

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/16/2005 4:33:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		It sounds like a scam to me, simply because of the venue.

While I understand being hard up for money, posting in some place like this makes it read like the standard "help little timmy get a leg transplant" spams I get.

I wish the OP's friend all the best, but think thre might be somewhere else more useful to post this

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/16/2005 4:55:24 PM   
dom_dotcom


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Status: offline 		With all due respect to all parties who have said 'they think this sounds like a scam', I have known this individual for 2 years and followed her through her chemo, her operations, her triumphs and defeats and been there as a friend to support her and believe me, this is anything BUT a scam. In fact it was only when all other avenues to get help failed that this option (launched by her friends, not myself) was decided on.

I am very careful who I choose to call friend or even associate with in real life OR online and if I had any doubts at all about this person I would not have posted the issue here at all... she is totally for real and if I believed otherwise I would not have posted the plea for help here.

If you still wish to believe that this is a scam, in my mind it would be a very lame one... I stand to gain nothing by posting it here and elissa (the cancer victim the post is intended to help) certainly has nothing to gain by anyone signing a petition... she is not after your money or anyone else's... she simply wants to get better and get the operation she so desperately needs to live past the end of this year.

If you feel that asking for a few names on a petition as a last resort in a last ditch effort to get some help (which she was urged to do by her friends... it was not her idea at all) so she can look forward to seeing her daughters grow up or live a few more years is a scam, then that speaks a lot to the cynicism and attitudes that exist here....

It is truly a sad day when people would prefer to label a valid request for a minute of their time to possibly raise enough awareness to save a life a scam rather than clicking on a link, signing their names and going back to their lives knowing they will still HAVE a life a few months from now...

In the time it took to reply to this post to call it a scam, you could have easily added your name to her petition and possibly made a difference.

To those who have signed elissa's petition, thank you very much for your help and compassion... and to those who did not, hopefully it is not you in the same position asking for help as she is one day.

Be well...
~DDC

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/16/2005 6:50:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sad it may be, but better sad than a bunch of gullible people who don't think of all sides of a situation, eh?


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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/16/2005 7:45:13 PM   
LadyTiger69


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Status: offline 		IMHO a scam would be someone who is not being upfront about what they were after and me myself knowing DDC and him stating without a doubt that there is no money being asked for I dont see the problem its a name on a piece of paper...maybe a personal flaw? I think so if it takes a name on a piece of paper to possible save a life of a fellow kinkster then so be it Im in! in your little world Emerld thank your lucky stars its not you!
some people are so jaded its sad
LT

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/16/2005 8:06:31 PM   
perverseangelic


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Status: offline 		Like I said before, I don't know if it IS a scam, it simply -sounds- like a scam.

Perhaps it's the wording, perhaps it's the location. I make -no- claims about the actual problems here, just commenting on the way this reads to some outsiders.

I appologize for seeming to impune you, I swear I wasn't questioning your honor, simply stating the way this reads to me.

There are simply -so- many things like this around that are -not- honorable, it's easy for us to become suspicious of all of them. While I hate having to temper my faith in people, i find that on the net it is a requirment of being personally safe.

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/16/2005 8:08:14 PM   
kisshou


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Status: offline 		From the petition site

fields marked with * are required)
* First Name
* Last Name
* Email
Address
City
State
* ZIP Code
Country
Gender
Age
Comments
(checkbox)Yes, I want iPetitions to contact me on similar campaigns or petitions.

Is this information used for any other purpose?

Is there code built into the website that shows a user came from the collarme site to the petition site?

I would be willing to send a postcard (snail mail) in support of this person if you would provide an address to send it to.

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/16/2005 8:20:53 PM   
TheHunger


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Status: offline 		I agree with DDC, it is very sad. Anyway, what kind of a scam is it to ask for people's name on a petition? No one is asking for money here. All that is required is compassion and a minute of your time to sign a petition. If that is too much to ask, the least you can do is not shut down someone's effort to help a friend. I was shocked at hearing of elissa's woes but not as much as I am reading the negative, bitchy comments here.

A great evening to all!

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/16/2005 9:23:01 PM   
dom_dotcom


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quote:

ORIGINAL: kisshou

From the petition site

fields marked with * are required)
* First Name
* Last Name
* Email
Address
City
State
* ZIP Code
Country
Gender
Age
Comments
(checkbox)Yes, I want iPetitions to contact me on similar campaigns or petitions.

Is this information used for any other purpose?

Is there code built into the website that shows a user came from the collarme site to the petition site?


To reply to a few of your points:

1) Yes iPetitions does ask for that information as stated. I am informed they do this as a way of verifying that you do indeed exist and that the one creating the petition does not simply sign it again and again and again which of course would make the petition invalid. It should be noted that any petition, online or real life requires verification that you are who you say you are and the very same information. Otherwise you would end up with petitions with 1001 John Smiths and Jane Does and the purpose of the petition would be defeated.

2) No there is no code that shows where the user signing the petition came from to my knowledge and that is not the intent either.

This petition was not created with the intent of being posted on ANY site but instead was created by friends of elissa's to be circulated by email... (she is actually a member to bondage. com, not here and there are several threads surrounding her condition which date back years if you care to read them there... What a clever, well thought out, premeditated scam... she has clearly been planning to collect useless email addresses for years! And to think all she had to do was give herself cancer to get them! Brilliant!)

It was myself who decided that in the interest of helping a "fellow kinkster" and person in need out that posting it here would generate more names and therefore more help for her in the long run.

In doing so I failed to take into account the lack of compassion often found online and that many people are only concerned with themselves and their own families and can't be bothered to do anything for a stranger...

If it were themselves or their own family member they'd be running around in circles trying to get some help but for someone they don't know who is just a name on the screen? Why bother... probably a scam... this person I don't know needs a minute of my precious time so it MUST be! Phhht how sad... and even sadder than instead of a group of people gathering together to help this girl they choose to attack her and question her motives and those of the friends trying to preserve her life. Believe what you wish from this point on about the petition, people... I am trying to help this girl along with many others and if you cannot accept that, so be it.

Anyway if your concern is truly with your online activities being tracked, I totally encourage you to go to the petition from this site or any other one you might feel is appropriate. Some ideas might be:

www.disney.com
www.yahoo.com
www.google.com

(Just some suggestions... safe enough for you?)

and then go to:

http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/HMO_Petition/

or go there from any site you want... what matters is the bottom line... That elissa gets enough names to get someone in media or government to stand up and take notice and do something for her before it is too late.

A quick thanks to LT and to TheHunger as well as anyone else who has a sympathetic compassionate bone in their body and can imagine how they would be feeling if it were them and this were their last resort...

Thanks for your comments AND for taking 2 minutes out of your life to sign this petition and try to help someone other than yourselves... elissa and all her friends surely appreciate it...

Be well...

~DDC

p.s. I have (hopefully) embedded an older profile picture of elissa before she started to get really sick along with this post. Hopefully the picture works so you can see she does exist... Thanks again to all...




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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/16/2005 10:11:22 PM   
brightspot


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who responded in your favor are all new posters on the
boards here.
And how the hell does showing a pic of someone prove
it is the person in question?
Anyone could easily make up a very similar Picture and text
in PSP(PaintShop Pro).


Looks like a Duck...
Walks like a Duck...


*Brightspot

< Message edited by brightspot -- 6/16/2005 10:14:57 PM >

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/16/2005 11:38:21 PM   
perverseangelic


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Status: offline 		I have a question. PLEASE don't take this the wrong way, it's actual honest-to-god curriosity.

When did internet petitions become recognized as useful? Last time I particpated in one, it was made pretty clear that a petition done through the net is informal at best and generally doesn't do much except show public opinion.

As I had heared, a petition with signatures is "official" and can be used to affect things, and net petitions simply show which way the public leans.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/17/2005 12:59:54 AM   
dom_dotcom


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Status: offline 		No idea if internet petitions are recognized any more than real life petitions, perverseangel... All I do know is the ongoing stories and frustration I have heard from elissa around the matter and that only one very good surgeon will even do the work now... her condition is rapidly worsening as the cancer accelerates which is why time is of the essence and why it is so important that this surgeon will do the operation if the other details can be put in place.

At first of course she was overjoyed when he said he would perform the operation for free when he learned she could not afford his fees and then hit a wall hard when she learned that "other" fees would cost in the neighbourhood of $25,000.

Unable to afford those either and her insurance company not covering those "other" hospital fees, she tried contacting all parties listed on the petition page and more for help or funding, sending out up to 52 emails a day as recently as 2 days ago and got the "don't call us, we'll call you" treatment at which time she was ready to give up.

At this point her friends realized they could not idly stand by and do nothing which is when the petition idea was conceived and put in motion in the hopes that somehow with enough people behind her some government official or some media representative would come to her aid and make the operation a possibility.

I guess the short answer is that while an internet petition may not be the ideal option, it is the only shot she has for the moment and as such she is taking it... grasping at straws? Perhaps... but in the same situation I am sure that we would all do whatever it took to try to hang onto our lives...

Thanks for your support and best wishes for elissa...

Be well...

~DDC

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/17/2005 1:20:07 AM   
LadyTiger69


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Status: offline 		brightspot, I dont often post on forums cause Im not much of a debate kinda person Im not home much anymore either it just so happens that I was sick today which is why Im actually posting and I think its a worthy cause...its got nothing to do with how many posts someone has made shrugs...think what ya like.

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/17/2005 3:10:06 AM   
Jennsen


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Status: offline 		I feel another very sad issue here, is that our country is right there to fight for other countries and spends billions rebuilding them....but cant or wont help our own people here...hmmm.

Best wishes, and my prayers are with you.

J

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/17/2005 4:46:21 AM   
ShiftedJewel


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Status: offline 		Picture of the person or not, the petition is about so much more then just helping her. Even if all it does is simply show which way the public leans it will at least show that much. If enough people sign these types of petitions then big business will have little choice but to bend to the people. It's only your name for crying out loud, they aren't asking for blood type, DNA samples and social security numbers.... geeeeeeeeeze.

Jewel

PS... and yes, I signed and am far from new to the boards.

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/17/2005 5:46:12 AM   
EmeraldSlave2


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Status: offline 		LOL so much for free consent...if you don't want to then you get guilted and insulted or you're just cynical and misanthropic, if you do sign then you're a treasure to being human.

No wonder so many subs get disillusioned...free consent really doesn't exist after all.

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/17/2005 6:55:15 AM   
goldencat


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quote:

ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

LOL so much for free consent...if you don't want to then you get guilted and insulted or you're just cynical and misanthropic, if you do sign then you're a treasure to being human.

No wonder so many subs get disillusioned...free consent really doesn't exist after all.

quote:

Sad it may be, but better sad than a bunch of gullible people who don't think of all sides of a situation, eh?


If you feel guilted and insulted it's not because you dont want to sign....my guess would be it's "what" and "how" you said it. So you dont want to sign...leave it at that

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/17/2005 7:24:33 AM   
happypervert


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Status: offline 		I was wondering if my time would be better spent checking out the petition or flaming you, and then I came across this manipulative piece of crap:

quote:

A quick thanks to LT and to TheHunger as well as anyone else who has a sympathetic compassionate bone in their body and can imagine how they would be feeling if it were them and this were their last resort..

Actually, I think all of us here do have sympathetic compassionate bones in our bodies, but we really have no real reason to give a damn about your "friend" or you for that matter. People get sick and die all the time, but in the words of that great philosopher Josef Stalin "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic." So I'm gonna lump your friend in with all the other people who will die of terrible diseases and say she's nothing but a statistic to me.

If we were to spend our time filling out petitions for everyone who is sick, we'd have no time to do anything else. Furthermore, this is just a waste of time for everyone -- if her condition is as dire as you claim, by the time you actually get enough signatures to present to these mystery organizations AND they take the time to actually act on it, she'll be dead.

You wanna do something useful? Instead of trying to get us all weepy and involved in what is a hopeless situation, why don't you devote your time to actually making your friend's last days better? That's what somebody who REALLY has a "sympathetic compassionate bone in his body" would do instead of laying this desperation and guilt trip on a bunch of strangers under the guise being part of the BDSM community. And if the geography is a problem since she's in Cal and you're in Canada, then show your compassion by volunteering at a hospice or something. But don't act like such a do-gooder because of the 5 minutes you've spent behind your keyboard trying to get everyone else involved.

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