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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/18/2005 1:02:25 PM   
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Sure, or maybe behind every 5 or 10 screen names there is one living breathing person trying to make it look like there is wider support for this than there really is. Just like your own ID magically appeared yesterday just so you could make this seemingly warm, heartfelt post. For all we know you are just the original poster in disguise, and you could be out to get our names and addresses as part of some Jerry Falwellesque moral crusade.


This is very very true, but as I have offered to give my phone number, which can be matched up with my name, which is the same screen name I use on all forums/groups I belong to I am stepping up and offering to PROVE that I am who I say I am, I am only one person, and I DO know her personally.

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Curiously, the "proof" that this is legitimate consists of going to another website to view posts. I haven't read every post here, but apparently there are no neighbors or friends speaking up, and by friends I mean somebody who has actually done something like visit this person in the hospital.

And though the petition site may be legitimate, it doesn't mean this cause is. So you put this plea on BDSM boards and folks sign. It is obvious where folks found out about it. For all anyone here knows you are just some Jerry Falwell moral crusaders using this ploy to get the names and addresses of "deviants", and for those of us who aren't public with neighbors, friends, and employers about BDSM activities there is a real risk that you'd use this info to try and ruin our lives.


This concern is completely understandable, but it's not only BDSM related sites that you can gain information from on this matter.

If this is your main reason for not giving this further thought or possibly lending your signature to this petition then please, by all means go to www.Care2Connect.com and persue it from there in the section covering petitions. This is a world wide site, it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with BDSM or Sex of any sort for that matter.

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So all your talk about decency is just a bunch of smoke and mirrors, and it's the sort of "trust me" talk one usually hears before the sales pitch to buy a nice bridge connecting Manhattan with Brooklyn.

Something stinks about this. This whole "sign or she dies" urgency looks phony and manipulative to me, as do posts by "people" (or ids created) who signed up yesterday.


This is yet another reason I have offered my information, offered other forum site information about myself as well, so that anyone that wishes to can check all they want to. Yes, they are other forums, but this is the internet after all. My only point is I am who I say I am, I've been around for quite along time on several sites and know many people from theses sites r/t that can vouch for all that is being said.

It sounds to me like perhaps at some point you have fallen for one of these scams trying to sell you a bridge (to use your own example) and because of that carry an overactive case of paranoia around.

IF anyone were asking for money from you I would be the fisrt to tell you to ignore it.

IF anyone were asking you to call a number and either run up your phone bill or pay to make the call then I would also encourage you to ignore it.

IF there were absolutely no one offering any information about themselves or any prior posts (dated before the joining members that are asking this of you) that cover this, then again, I would tell you to ignore it.

But the fact is, there are people on this site that DO know me, some have met me in person and know I am exactly who I say I am. They also know of the health problems I've delt with the past years and my own fight with the insurance monster.

And most importantly, they know that I would never lend my name, my support or offer personal information about myself unless this was something I had checked out and verified myself in advance.

The topic of cancer hits way too close to home for me for me to just blindly support a scam that would use that illness as a "hook" to coax people in.

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My final suggestion -- if you really want to do the decent thing, sell your computer and send her the money. That way, you can help her directly and you won't annoy us any more.


Well first, she isn't asking you, this poster, me or anyone else for money, and in fact has refused any offers of a financial nature completely.

Secondly, that was just plain childish.

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/18/2005 1:24:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tempestspet

The person in front of the grocery store, at your door... or wherever in your face asking you to sign a petition.. still highly likely that this could be a scam... hate to tell ya. Just because someone comes up to me in person, I don't trust them anymore than on the internet.
jennifer



Yup, it could, but the ones I sign only ask for my name and signature, not for my e-mail address or anything similar. Also, I know that written petitions can have significant impact. Internet petitions are still in the early stages with very few taking them seriously.

Look, I'm not trying to be an ass. I'm simply saying that on the net it is better to be suspicious than get yourself in trouble. I -hate- having to be this fearful of others. I hate that I can't simply trust everyone to be who they say they are, because that's how I prefer to be and that is my natural impulse in my interaction with the world. However, I -know- that there are people who would take advantage of me out there.

What sucks is that even if the ratio of scammers is very low (lets say 1 in 50) there is =zero= way of telling whether the individual you're talking to is that 1 in 50.

Why is distrust being equated to being an unfeeling person? I hate having to be distrustful, however, I would rather be this way than placed in a situation that would be...well...bad. I work to change the world such that I don't -have- to be so suspicious, however, in that work I've come to recognize just how risky just about everything can be. That doesn't mean I don't do -anything- it simply means that I'm careful about what I choose to become invovled in and how I become invovled in it.

I am not an unfeeling, uncaring person, and I am rather irritated by the fact that this is being implied by those who have a different viewpoint. Nor is this situation an exterme example of something that has the potential to be really bad. It's unfortunate that the extreme prevelance of situations that -are- bad has required individuals to become wary in order to be safe. I've been trying to emphasize the fact that I know nothign about the individual in this case, and that I would be equally suspicious of -any- such request, simply because it is a good idea to be that careful.



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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/18/2005 2:53:33 PM   
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I am not an unfeeling, uncaring person, and I am rather irritated by the fact that this is being implied by those who have a different viewpoint. Nor is this situation an exterme example of something that has the potential to be really bad. It's unfortunate that the extreme prevelance of situations that -are- bad has required individuals to become wary in order to be safe. I've been trying to emphasize the fact that I know nothign about the individual in this case, and that I would be equally suspicious of -any- such request, simply because it is a good idea to be that careful.


Would you be willing to contact her if she is agreeable to her information being given? Would you be agreeable to contacting me?

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/18/2005 4:00:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MaggieLynn

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I am not an unfeeling, uncaring person, and I am rather irritated by the fact that this is being implied by those who have a different viewpoint. Nor is this situation an exterme example of something that has the potential to be really bad. It's unfortunate that the extreme prevelance of situations that -are- bad has required individuals to become wary in order to be safe. I've been trying to emphasize the fact that I know nothign about the individual in this case, and that I would be equally suspicious of -any- such request, simply because it is a good idea to be that careful.


Would you be willing to contact her if she is agreeable to her information being given? Would you be agreeable to contacting me?


Conact how? And why?

Would I be willing to meet for coffee, sure. Would I be willing to do a petition drive in my neighborhood, probably not.

If y'all are local, I'm always amendable to face to face, however in this case I can't see what it would accomplish.

(Note: I have social anxiety disorder. Phone contact with -anyone- up to an including my parents is currently impossible)

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/18/2005 4:24:01 PM   
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Thanks Perverse.

The issue again is that the people who are asking to sign are wrong in their coming back and insinuating that people are heartless, unfeeling and bad for not doing what they want other people to do.

That's truly the only issue I have with this entire situation.

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/18/2005 8:10:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic


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ORIGINAL: Tempestspet

The person in front of the grocery store, at your door... or wherever in your face asking you to sign a petition.. still highly likely that this could be a scam... hate to tell ya. Just because someone comes up to me in person, I don't trust them anymore than on the internet.
jennifer



Yup, it could, but the ones I sign only ask for my name and signature, not for my e-mail address or anything similar. Also, I know that written petitions can have significant impact. Internet petitions are still in the early stages with very few taking them seriously.

Look, I'm not trying to be an ass. I'm simply saying that on the net it is better to be suspicious than get yourself in trouble. I -hate- having to be this fearful of others. I hate that I can't simply trust everyone to be who they say they are, because that's how I prefer to be and that is my natural impulse in my interaction with the world. However, I -know- that there are people who would take advantage of me out there.

What sucks is that even if the ratio of scammers is very low (lets say 1 in 50) there is =zero= way of telling whether the individual you're talking to is that 1 in 50.

Why is distrust being equated to being an unfeeling person? I hate having to be distrustful, however, I would rather be this way than placed in a situation that would be...well...bad. I work to change the world such that I don't -have- to be so suspicious, however, in that work I've come to recognize just how risky just about everything can be. That doesn't mean I don't do -anything- it simply means that I'm careful about what I choose to become invovled in and how I become invovled in it.

I am not an unfeeling, uncaring person, and I am rather irritated by the fact that this is being implied by those who have a different viewpoint. Nor is this situation an exterme example of something that has the potential to be really bad. It's unfortunate that the extreme prevelance of situations that -are- bad has required individuals to become wary in order to be safe. I've been trying to emphasize the fact that I know nothign about the individual in this case, and that I would be equally suspicious of -any- such request, simply because it is a good idea to be that careful.




I just wanted to let you know that I was not trying to intimate anything I was merely responding to some of the gruff, unnecessary comments that were made regarding this situation. If you do nothing about this, that is fine, you are under no obligation to do so. I do not think any more or less of you as a person. Please do not take offense. I understand people being suspicious, I too am cautious when on the Internet. And I don't blame those of you who doubt the validity... perhaps, being put in your shoes I would feel the same way. I guess what hits home about this entire thing is the fact that I have followed this lady's desperate situation and hearing someone call her a "statistic" is, to me, a cold thing to say. Also accusing me of being a "Jerry Fallwell" righteous, right wing, moral majority troll that is only here to destroy lives is just silly. That is what I have responded to.

I like to believe the best about people. Sometimes that gets me in trouble. If I have offended you or anyone else for that matter, please accept my deepest apology.

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/20/2005 1:43:09 AM   
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On the contrary, Gauge...

Your post made me laugh harder than I can remember in ages and it was inoffensive, witty and brilliantly written... my hat is off to you and I thank you for the much needed laugh.

As for the rest of you who have shown support for elissa or at least not been offensive to those who have, thank you... nice to see maggie join us since she just won her fight against this terrible disease in much the same way very recently and was equally brave and tough as elissa has to be now.

An update for those who have followed this, perhaps signed the petition or even if you have not.

Tomorrow, June 20th elissa is booked to go into the hospital.

Her doctor (the surgeon who offered to do the operation for free) felt that they could no longer afford to wait and she should be booked in before noon monday, her condition will be monitored, whatever can be done to prepare her physically and mentally will take place for a couple of days and at his earliest opportunity (probably wednesday or thursday) he will do surgery.

Since the financial issues related the the operation have not been resolved as yet by the petition, many of us (her friends) are donating what we can as a first step to keep the ball rolling for now until further help becomes available in that way... and no, you are not expected OR asked to contribute or help out in any way beyond what was requested initially in signing the petition. That's all that was asked and all that will be asked.

For those interested in following her progress, one of her daughters will be updating her webpage/blog to give us progress reports as often as possible.

Whether you signed or didn't sign the petition, take a minute, think of this lady and send her some positive energy and good thoughts... it would be much appreciated...

Thanks to everyone for your continued interest... enjoy your week and stay tuned for updates...

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/20/2005 2:23:01 AM   
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i am not sure where the petition in question is but i would like to wish the girl well on this medical journey in which she is now embarke. to you i send out much positive energy and hope that it will help you in these times to come.
sign: buffy

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/20/2005 6:29:33 AM   
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I do hope that the money comes in. Please take my advice on the fundraisers, if you need help please message me on the other side and I will be more then happy to guide you through the process of several different fundraisers.

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/20/2005 10:39:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: buffiyum

i am not sure where the petition in question is but i would like to wish the girl well on this medical journey in which she is now embarke. to you i send out much positive energy and hope that it will help you in these times to come.
sign: buffy


Hello buffy...

"The petition in question" can be found at http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/HMO_Petition/
and as always anyone who wishes to sign it in an effort to help elissa would be most appreciated for doing so...

I hope that helps and that you'll join all of us in wishing elissa not only all the "signatures" she needs to help her, but also a swift successful recovery after her hospital stay which begins today and subsequent surgery mid-week...

Be well...
~DDC

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/20/2005 10:46:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: siamsa24

I do hope that the money comes in. Please take my advice on the fundraisers, if you need help please message me on the other side and I will be more then happy to guide you through the process of several different fundraisers.


Hello siamsa...
If a fund raiser takes place I am fairly certain maggie, not myself will be organizing it as maggie is experienced in this area due to her background and having had to raise funds recently to help her with her own health issues...

However as mentioned earlier I fully intend to contribute to such a fundraiser for elissa when details become available and look forward to being able to do so...

In any case, stay tuned for details as they become available and maggie, myself or another of elissa's friends will be in touch if we need to pick your brain a bit on a fundraiser in future. Thanks for the kind offer... enjoy your day...

~DDC

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/20/2005 11:47:52 AM   
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To all concerned, I was just updated with the following message you may be interested in by PhantDom_and_phantas_c at bondage.com who are now officially running the fund raising end of things for elissa while she is in hospital. If you are one of those earlier in this topic who had no interest in helping please just move along and ignore this... otherwise please read on for details:

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PhantDom_and_phantas_c Posted: 2005-06-20 09:09:00

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I have created a basic website for anyone who wants to donate to Elissa's medical needs. The site is just beginning to be built, but Elissa needs our support now so despite the fact that it's incomplete, I'm releasing the URL where it's presently being hosted.

All donations are made via PayPal and that account is controlled by her and her eldest daughter.

A process to donate to a bank account for those who do not have credit cards or prefer not to use a CC is presently being established as well by Elissa's daughters, and I will update the forum when that information becomes available.

The website can be found here:

http://www.high-concepts.com/elissa

Thank you for your genorsity and concern.

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/20/2005 11:58:24 AM   
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One further update just posted at bondage.com regarding this issue... again, if you have nothing nice to say don't say anything at all... (didn't your mother teach you ANYTHING? ) and just click "back"

For all others, enclosed are more details:


PhantDom_and_phantas_c Posted: 2005-06-20 10:53:29

This is just in from elissa

The department of managed health care here in LA turned elissa down. They told her if she pushes on with this it is her own responsibility to pay for the cost.

Elissa is getting very ill and time is very important in this matter right now.

i just got off the phone with her, she is on the way to the hospital to begin stabilizing her condition to get her ready for the surgery and care Dr Wonderful is willing to give her for free.

It is now elissa's own responsibility to find the 40 to 50k to have this surgery done at this hospital, She does not presently have these kind of funds. Her family and friends are doing everything they can to ask ANYONE FOR HELP WITH THIS MATTER.

The hospital is asking for a 10K down payment and that is our goal right now, the rest she can deal with as she goes along.

Elissa is a very proud women and never thought she be in a position to ever have to ask for this kind of help.

Well she is and if she doesn't exhaust every avenue she is going to die.

i as her friend would like to ask for her since she is now at present being brought to a hospital by her two daughters 19 & 23 to save her life that if anyone can help this wonderful lady with even just a 5 dollar donation We will be 5 dollars closer to possibly saving her life.

Please keep elissa in your thoughts and prayers as she needs all the any miracles out there possible.

A website has been posted above in my Master's original post for anyone who wishes or can help with this matter.

Prayers & hugs and every once of positive energy i have is being sent your way elissa!

Will post info soon as i hear from her daughter.

hugs
bren
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founder of : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Los_Angeles_sis/

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I have personally just donated $10.00 USD via PayPal rather than the requested $5.00 and anticipate that I will be donating more soon after I sell some items on eBay to help assist elissa's cause... every little bit will get her a bit closer to her immediate goal and help her out so if you feel inclined and wish to help, thanks... and if not, thanks for taking the time to read elissa's updates and send her positive energy and thoughts...

Enjoy your day...
~DDC



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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/20/2005 12:49:09 PM   
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I just got home from the Oncologist myself, and thankfully I was able to "browbeat" him into letting me go back to work a month earlier than they wanted to....LOL. (They said a minimum of 6 months post transplant but June 28th will be 5 months so I'll have my first day back July 1st).

Anyway, I just opened the emails myself about the latest updates and it really pissed me off. If I live to be 100yrs old I will never understand how someone sitting at a desk somewhere can decide if I should live or die. But that is the way it is with insurance companies, and then you have the hospitals and Doctors themselves that can look at you like you're from Mars when they tell you they need ever how many thousands of dollars up front and you tell them you simply don't have it. (In my case, if insurance hadn't decided to pay, they wanted 180,000 before they would even START the pretransplant process).

I'm working with those doing the fundraising for her. I'm going to speak to the people at work as well and see if we can do something as a company. I know when I first became ill they held several bake sales, a "day at the park" event and sold bbq and stuff like that and even put together a company cook book and sold copies.

I'll be putting them in touch with some of the larger cancer organizations that lend assistance with fund raising as well.

Thank you again to everyone that signed the petition, to those of you who are sending possitive thoughts and energy her way.

I will be the first to tell you that helps. I have no doubts at all that the thoughts and wishes and prayers that everyone sent my way went a long way toward helping me make it through the hardest 6 months of my life.

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 6/20/2005 4:17:31 PM   
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I just wanted to say that this is not a scam. Elissa is really going through this. A lot of her friends on b.com and herself have explained the situation. There is a website still underconstruction you can go to read about it... http://www.high-concepts.com/elissa

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 7/1/2005 5:55:17 PM   
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For those who recently followed elissa's battle with cancer and may have signed her petition or donated to the fund set up for her, you will probably want to read the following written by her daughter, Jenn.

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Elissa Rose
1952 - 2005


"I'm not sure where to begin. Sometime on Tuesday morning, Elissa's blood pressure dropped significantly and almost pushed her into cardiac arrest. She was moved to CCU (Coronary Care Unit), where she had a balloon pump to help her heart beat normally. As it turns out, she may have had cardiomyopathy which is a heart condition, that just hadn't presented itself yet. I guess one of the chemos she was on can contribute to this. Her EKG was completely normal before surgery, so this came completely out of left field.

All through Wednesday she was in critical condition, but her blood pressure had started to rise, so we were hopeful. With a little luck, her heart might get its strength back. Her lungs had some fluid in them, which was a concern, but she had been given some medication to help with that, and if her blood pressure continued to rise, it would also help that situation. This morning however, her pressure began to drop steadily. Her heart just wasn't strong enough. The months of chemo and then the months of battling and stress over finally getting the surgery she so needed had just taken their toll. Without the surgery, she only would have had a month or so with us, and it would have been painful and full of emergency surgeries. It would not have been the kind of life should would have wanted to live. Even if she had known of the heart risk, I know she would have still gone through with the surgery. It gave her hope and a chance at a higher quality life. She was always a fighter.

Elissa passed today at 12:50pm on Thursday, June 30th. She was comfortable, unaware and felt no pain. It was the peaceful passing that she deserved.

Thank you so much to everyone who showed her love and support. It all meant so much to her, and it's meant so much to me. I've just been blown away by how many people out there cared for her so much. She was so lucky to have so many caring people in her life. She deserved it.

-Jenn

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On a personal note, thanks to all who took a few minutes to sign her petition, send an encouraging note or post to her or donated a couple of dollars to help make her operation possible... It meant a lot and near the end she knew she was not alone and had more friends than she had ever dreamed of... Thanks again to all of you and be well...

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 7/1/2005 7:18:22 PM   
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a kind soul lost to such an evil and unforgiving illness all the best to Elissa's family and friends alike a sinking feeling I had when I saw the post as I had just asked about her a few days ago and we thought that no news was good news...how wrong we can be and such a shame it is.
God Speed Elissa.
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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 7/1/2005 7:59:10 PM   
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I am so sorry to hear of Elissa's passing. I'm sure she put up a couragous battle until the end and my heart goes out to her. My thoughts and prays are with her family and loved ones for the strength and comfort I'm sure they all need to get through such a loss.

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 7/3/2005 8:24:51 PM   
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I have just spent the last half hour or so catching up on all the posts I missed while away for the past couple of weeks. I could not wait to find out how Elissa was doing - was so hoping to hear that the surgery had gone well. So it was with great sadness that I read your post informing us that Elissa had lost her final battle with this dreadful illness.

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RE: Urgent help needed!! - 7/3/2005 8:59:54 PM   
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Somehow I missed the updates to this thread. It is truly sad to see that Elissa has passed. My prayers are with her family and friends.

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