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RE: Runaway Slave? - 7/7/2007 11:52:13 PM

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lol...i skipped some posts....think i need to go back and read! not to mention...i went to a wine bar earlier, so there you have it.

at least it wasn't chocolate martinis and i didn't wake up with a piece of mulch in my hair. but that is another story...lol. i avoid martinis with the gfs now. you live, you learn.

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RE: Runaway Slave? - 7/8/2007 4:32:19 AM

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However since the Collard group set up the US Underground Railroad, these slaves are rescued and returned to the virtual Sin City world to await their next velcro collard.

Dear Mr Merc,

I wuz a collard slave, but I once mustard up the courage to runaway, but my dominate told hiz buddies not to worry cuz I'd turnip sooner or later.

So iff'in I turnip, am I still collard?

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OMG, that was so so so bad it was diabolically clever!

hehe, I cracked myself up while I was typing it.

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RE: Runaway Slave? - 7/8/2007 5:08:59 AM

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However since the Collard group set up the US Underground Railroad, these slaves are rescued and returned to the virtual Sin City world to await their next velcro collard.

Dear Mr Merc,

I wuz a collard slave, but I once mustard up the courage to runaway, but my dominate told hiz buddies not to worry cuz I'd turnip sooner or later.

So iff'in I turnip, am I still collard?

Sinseeerly,

Annie Nonymous

OMG, that was so so so bad it was diabolically clever!

hehe, I cracked myself up while I was typing it.

One collard slave who tried it got hit by a car and became......roadkale.

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RE: Runaway Slave? - 7/8/2007 5:54:42 AM

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You both deserve ten lashes with a wet noodle

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RE: Runaway Slave? - 7/8/2007 5:55:35 AM

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Ouch! Wet noodles really hurt.

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RE: Runaway Slave? - 7/8/2007 7:53:33 AM

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I shelter runaway slaves

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RE: Runaway Slave? - 7/8/2007 7:59:02 AM

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Great, I need shelter, seems there's a vigilante chasing down all the escaped slaves who slipped their collars LMAO

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RE: Runaway Slave? - 7/8/2007 9:55:25 AM

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Hello sapphirepleasure. The "property" must actively "consent" all the time to be property. If you consent once, you are not property. It is an ongoing dynamic consent. When you stop consenting, you stop being property. Slave and property are words used in a 21st century concept of a type of D/s relationship. It is not used in any legal or moral contract.

You cannot consent to a "non consenting" relationship (illegal and immoral). In other words, unconsented property does not exist. People "enjoy" saying that they are slaves or masters. The "real" words are "consenting-slaves" and "consenting-masters" (legal and moral). We just "omit" the first part because we are lazy, and or like the kinky sound of it. RL.

PS: I am replying to this post seriously, because I remember what it is to be a newbie in the lifestyle (clearly indicated in the op's profile).

Edit: I screwed up something.

It was a serious question. Obviously I don't think that anyone has the right to own someone non-consensually, but I was stunned when I was told that unless release is granted, the slave is still property and thus runaway.

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RE: Runaway Slave? - 7/8/2007 10:59:24 AM

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That sounds like a gorean concent - where did you hear of this idea?

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RE: Runaway Slave? - 7/8/2007 12:00:01 PM

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It dapends on the dynamic. Pursuit psycho-dramas or being stalked are desirable fantasies for some. Drama-Slaves.

A good contract should have a stipulation for her to leave. Without that, a request for a restraining order would the appropriate safe word.

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RE: Runaway Slave? - 7/8/2007 12:28:04 PM

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That sounds like a gorean concent - where did you hear of this idea?

From a non-Gorean Master, actually.

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RE: Runaway Slave? - 7/8/2007 12:51:33 PM

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However since the Collard group set up the US Underground Railroad, these slaves are rescued and returned to the virtual Sin City world to await their next velcro collard.

Dear Mr Merc,

I wuz a collard slave, but I once mustard up the courage to runaway, but my dominate told hiz buddies not to worry cuz I'd turnip sooner or later.

So iff'in I turnip, am I still collard?

Sinseeerly,

Annie Nonymous

Funniest post I've read in a long time. Brava!

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RE: Runaway Slave? - 7/8/2007 7:33:59 PM

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If a slave 'quits' a Master (makes it clear that she is unwilling to continue the relationship) without asking or begging release, does that mean she is still owned property and thus a 'runaway slave'? If he refuses to release her, does she remain his property?

It depends on the context. I have seen several cases where the a slave who begged ownership became scared of her submission, and begged release. The Master, realizing she was giving a knee-jerk reaction to fears, and sensing she really did want to be there, denied release. The slave was ever thankful in the future for that, as in her heart that really was where she wanted to be. He saw through her fears and didn't let her succumb to them. In other words, he told her she was still owned to give her an opportunity to save face and remain, if she so chose.

In other situations, a slave truly did not want to be there, and showed no indication of wanting to continue submitting. Ownership is really in the heart, isn't it?

In either case, it is my opinion that a slave who begs, asks, or requests a Master to own her, ought to have conversations with him and/or ask for release, rather than running off without warning after he grants her the ownership she has asked him for.

It is my opinion, that any relationship, be it M/s, D/s, vanilla or rocky road, should be discussed prior to being abandoned, except perhaps for cases of serious abuse.

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RE: Runaway Slave? - 7/8/2007 9:44:08 PM

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the only negative for the slave (no longer actually a slave), if everything is legal and no laws are broken or harassment results from her/his leaving; is depending on the background, reputation and influence or her/his estranged Master (who is no longer this individual's Master) in the community... the former slave may develop a reputation as disobedient slave, at least in the local community

i'd recommend speaking about it with the Master first. also another impartial member of the community, and let the Master knows one other person knows

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RE: Runaway Slave? - 7/8/2007 10:15:40 PM

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This is what was said: "you remain my property, but as a runaway, much in the same way a stolen car remains the property of the owner"

Is this right? How is a person to get closure (or a 'clear title') to use the stolen car analogy?

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RE: Runaway Slave? - 7/8/2007 10:18:04 PM

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From my perspective, an M/s relationship exists in part because the slave consents to be a slave. If the slave no longer consents, then the relationship has ended.

It takes two (or more) people to maintain a relationship and only one to end it.

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RE: Runaway Slave? - 7/8/2007 10:20:51 PM

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at least it wasn't chocolate martinis and i didn't wake up with a piece of mulch in my hair. but that is another story...lol. i avoid martinis with the gfs now. you live, you learn.

Hehe - that's cute.

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RE: Runaway Slave? - 7/8/2007 10:26:12 PM

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Hello sapphirepleasure. The "property" must actively "consent" all the time to be property. If you consent once, you are not property. It is an ongoing dynamic consent. When you stop consenting, you stop being property. Slave and property are words used in a 21st century concept of a type of D/s relationship. It is not used in any legal or moral contract.

You cannot consent to a "non consenting" relationship (illegal and immoral). In other words, unconsented property does not exist. People "enjoy" saying that they are slaves or masters. The "real" words are "consenting-slaves" and "consenting-masters" (legal and moral). We just "omit" the first part because we are lazy, and or like the kinky sound of it. RL.

PS: I am replying to this post seriously, because I remember what it is to be a newbie in the lifestyle (clearly indicated in the op's profile).

Edit: I screwed up something.

It was a serious question. Obviously I don't think that anyone has the right to own someone non-consensually, but I was stunned when I was told that unless release is granted, the slave is still property and thus runaway.

Frankly it seems that many Masters do think like that, my former Master included. The point being, any relationship needs both parties to want to be together for that relationship to continue. I have been told that I will never be released, yet I left with no intention of returning to a life of a 24/7 slave. Being owned and someone's property is a concept which is a verbal agreement period, much like when a couple decide to live together common law. One or the other can walk away when the relationship fails and start anew.

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RE: Runaway Slave? - 7/8/2007 10:26:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: robertolapiedra

Hello sapphirepleasure. The "property" must actively "consent" all the time to be property. If you consent once, you are not property. It is an ongoing dynamic consent. When you stop consenting, you stop being property. Slave and property are words used in a 21st century concept of a type of D/s relationship. It is not used in any legal or moral contract.

You cannot consent to a "non consenting" relationship (illegal and immoral). In other words, unconsented property does not exist. People "enjoy" saying that they are slaves or masters. The "real" words are "consenting-slaves" and "consenting-masters" (legal and moral). We just "omit" the first part because we are lazy, and or like the kinky sound of it. RL.

PS: I am replying to this post seriously, because I remember what it is to be a newbie in the lifestyle (clearly indicated in the op's profile).

Edit: I screwed up something.

It was a serious question. Obviously I don't think that anyone has the right to own someone non-consensually, but I was stunned when I was told that unless release is granted, the slave is still property and thus runaway.

By that definition, I'm a runaway several times over. Feels good!

Seriously though, that's silly. I believe you are as much of a "runaway" slave after choosing (because this is, after all, consensual slavery) to leave as you are a "Dominant" just because you have a photograph of yourself looking stern.

IMHO, he's throwing up several pseudo-psycho red flags - run Forrest RUN!

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RE: Runaway Slave? - 7/8/2007 10:46:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: sapphirepleasure

This is what was said: "you remain my property, but as a runaway, much in the same way a stolen car remains the property of the owner"

Is this right? How is a person to get closure (or a 'clear title') to use the stolen car analogy?

I don't think anyone can really answer this based on one sentence without knowing the content of ownership.

But from this sentence, I'd say you close it in your own mind and move on. If the slave already left, she already closed it. Why is she now looking for closure after already making her decision?

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