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texancutie -> RE: Being loyal to your word (7/8/2007 8:38:01 PM)

This thread is still going on?  I need to catch up on reading, it sure seems to have gotten a life of it's own!   More twists and turns than the new Harry Potter book possibly. 




DrkJourney -> RE: Being loyal to your word (7/8/2007 8:40:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: texancutie

This thread is still going on?  I need to catch up on reading, it sure seems to have gotten a life of it's own!   More twists and turns than the new Harry Potter book possibly. 


lol....no actually it same ol same ol....lol




akbarbarian -> RE: Being loyal to your word (7/8/2007 8:42:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: viperess

Greetings,
No tacky would be spreading personal things for all to see..Honor is talking Master to Master about things which might help in a relation. As one of BTH's slaves i will say He is a very honorable and fair Master and One i am proud not only to serve but to be owned by. i have been reading this thread and biting my tongue partly due to the fact so many condemn the OP for feeling He should punish or at the very least discipline His property for not communicating or obeying Him. Yes i realize many things have changed over the years that i have served but i did not realize one of them was weither a slave was to honor and obey her Master. But then again so many see BDSM as just a sexual kink and not a 24/7 way of life. Then again this is just this old slaves 2 cents.

Thanks.  Many on here are looking for their first experience I suppose.  I've been doing this for 8 years, with the first year D/s, and M/s for the remainder of 7 years.  Just as a person isn't born great in the sack, I don't believe one is born great at a role even if it's one you want to be in.  Some say I should know what to do with my sub since she's mine, and others think I'm looking for views due to my disorder.  WRONG!  I'm checking into things more than anything else because I don't like to make bad choices.  There are other reasons I listed as well, but it's not all about this particular relationwhip (oops, Freud again).  It's about me learning, and being humble enough to keep an open mind.




mistoferin -> RE: Being loyal to your word (7/8/2007 8:42:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: viperess

Greetings,
No tacky would be spreading personal things for all to see..Honor is talking Master to Master about things which might help in a relation. As one of BTH's slaves i will say He is a very honorable and fair Master and One i am proud not only to serve but to be owned by. i have been reading this thread and biting my tongue partly due to the fact so many condemn the OP for feeling He should punish or at the very least discipline His property for not communicating or obeying Him. Yes i realize many things have changed over the years that i have served but i did not realize one of them was weither a slave was to honor and obey her Master. But then again so many see BDSM as just a sexual kink and not a 24/7 way of life. Then again this is just this old slaves 2 cents.


What happens between two people in a relationship is the business of those two people. I'm sorry, but I don't see soliciting your ex's new partner to discuss what were personal matters of your relationship as honorable in the least. "Masterly" status irrelevant.




texancutie -> RE: Being loyal to your word (7/8/2007 8:44:49 PM)

That is true...am just catching up here.  Think I will stick with Harry Potter, at least that is definitely going to press...lol.




defiantbadgirl -> RE: Being loyal to your word (7/8/2007 8:45:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sublimelysensual

-tries to make this as short as possible-
 
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ORIGINAL: akbarbarian
I'm having her copy, by hand, this thread to then read it out loud to me.  That will ensure everything has been gone over with a fine tooth comb, and that we both will have examined the situation in great detail. 


There are now almost 200 posts on this thread, my mouth dropped open at the thought of copying them all by hand. It would take days, if not weeks unless the only other thing You expect from her is sitting on her azz eating bon-bons and watching tv. Trying hard not to judge here, but I hope You've really thought this out...
 
-a (who will post nothing else on the thread simply out of compassion)


I'm sure her master is sitting there chuckling at each new post (including this one) knowing she will have to copy every one of them. I do hope she enjoys copying the ones that point out her master's immaturity and the fact that she doesn't deserve to be punished at all.




DrkJourney -> RE: Being loyal to your word (7/8/2007 8:47:31 PM)

lol...yes and the dialogue actually goes somewhere...lol




akbarbarian -> RE: Being loyal to your word (7/8/2007 8:47:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

quote:

ORIGINAL: viperess

Greetings,
No tacky would be spreading personal things for all to see..Honor is talking Master to Master about things which might help in a relation. As one of BTH's slaves i will say He is a very honorable and fair Master and One i am proud not only to serve but to be owned by. i have been reading this thread and biting my tongue partly due to the fact so many condemn the OP for feeling He should punish or at the very least discipline His property for not communicating or obeying Him. Yes i realize many things have changed over the years that i have served but i did not realize one of them was weither a slave was to honor and obey her Master. But then again so many see BDSM as just a sexual kink and not a 24/7 way of life. Then again this is just this old slaves 2 cents.


What happens between two people in a relationship is the business of those two people. I'm sorry, but I don't see soliciting your ex's new partner to discuss what were personal matters of your relationship as honorable in the least. "Masterly" status irrelevant.

I asked if she was comfortable with the idea first.  Chill [:)]




mistoferin -> RE: Being loyal to your word (7/8/2007 8:48:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: viperess
But then again so many see BDSM as just a sexual kink and not a 24/7 way of life. Then again this is just this old slaves 2 cents.


I'd also like to add that BDSM is a kink. It means Bondage, Discipline, Sadism and Masochism. Prior to that it was only S&M. Recently people started to claim that D/s is in the middle of it and that it even encompasses M/s, but that was never a part of the original meaning.  It would be pretty hard to have a Bondage, Discipline, Sadism, Masochism 24/7 lifestyle. But as an old slave I'm sure you were aware of that.




viperess -> RE: Being loyal to your word (7/8/2007 8:49:20 PM)

Greetings,

Just as when you apply for a job your references are checked...be it them calling past employers or friends many Masters, slaves, and subs alike if they are going to be in a 24/7 relation will also speak to others that knew them. Mostly when meeting from an online place. i have had slaves ask me about Ones i served over the years before they went to them as they wished to be safe. In a relation where you place your safety in anothers hands that is many times considered smart. Now as i have been taught it is not for a slave to talk bad of Masters be they past or present the most i would say is i was not the type fit they needed. Since most knew me they knew where to go with it from there.




angelic -> RE: Being loyal to your word (7/8/2007 8:49:58 PM)

What if she would have said, 'nope i am not comfortable with it'?




MagiksSlave -> RE: Being loyal to your word (7/8/2007 9:12:53 PM)

I must have missed where he said he was haveing her copy this entire thread!!! Aspecially since it keeps going and going and a lot of what is witten here is not perticularly usefull, and much of it isnt very complimenting of her Master I dont see how her compying this thread will do you any good. and since there is no end in sight it seems like it will be the punishment that doesnt end!!! Punishments with no end in sight can be a bit disheartening.. please have her skip my posts I want nothing to do with her punishment!! I suggest we all STOP posting now the poor girl has enought on her plate!!

Honestly if you want to have her write something an essay on obediance, or how to say no would probubly be a lot more productive.. Actually I have a boook i dont remeber the name Ill have to go check, but its a self help book for those that can never say no, I found it really helpfull and she may benafit from it, perhaps a fitting punishment would be haveing her read it and then write a small essay on it. I remeber when reading it Master was kidding with me about how I better not use the book on him!! but honestly it was a big help with my huge need to please EVERYONE that was takeing away from my ability to actually please anyone! Its a far more productive use of time then haveing her copy this entire thread and at least then she would be able to see the end of it!!

Magik's slave




akbarbarian -> RE: Being loyal to your word (7/8/2007 9:25:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: angelic

What if she would have said, 'nope i am not comfortable with it'?

Communication then ensues as to why.




akbarbarian -> RE: Being loyal to your word (7/8/2007 9:28:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

I must have missed where he said he was haveing her copy this entire thread!!! Aspecially since it keeps going and going and a lot of what is witten here is not perticularly usefull, and much of it isnt very complimenting of her Master I dont see how her compying this thread will do you any good. and since there is no end in sight it seems like it will be the punishment that doesnt end!!! Punishments with no end in sight can be a bit disheartening.. please have her skip my posts I want nothing to do with her punishment!! I suggest we all STOP posting now the poor girl has enought on her plate!!

Honestly if you want to have her write something an essay on obediance, or how to say no would probubly be a lot more productive.. Actually I have a boook i dont remeber the name Ill have to go check, but its a self help book for those that can never say no, I found it really helpfull and she may benafit from it, perhaps a fitting punishment would be haveing her read it and then write a small essay on it. I remeber when reading it Master was kidding with me about how I better not use the book on him!! but honestly it was a big help with my huge need to please EVERYONE that was takeing away from my ability to actually please anyone! Its a far more productive use of time then haveing her copy this entire thread and at least then she would be able to see the end of it!!

Magik's slave

That sounds really good!  Tell ya what, find me that book and I won't have her copy this particular post as a special thank you to you.




MagiksSlave -> RE: Being loyal to your word (7/8/2007 9:32:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: akbarbarian

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

I must have missed where he said he was haveing her copy this entire thread!!! Aspecially since it keeps going and going and a lot of what is witten here is not perticularly usefull, and much of it isnt very complimenting of her Master I dont see how her compying this thread will do you any good. and since there is no end in sight it seems like it will be the punishment that doesnt end!!! Punishments with no end in sight can be a bit disheartening.. please have her skip my posts I want nothing to do with her punishment!! I suggest we all STOP posting now the poor girl has enought on her plate!!

Honestly if you want to have her write something an essay on obediance, or how to say no would probubly be a lot more productive.. Actually I have a boook i dont remeber the name Ill have to go check, but its a self help book for those that can never say no, I found it really helpfull and she may benafit from it, perhaps a fitting punishment would be haveing her read it and then write a small essay on it. I remeber when reading it Master was kidding with me about how I better not use the book on him!! but honestly it was a big help with my huge need to please EVERYONE that was takeing away from my ability to actually please anyone! Its a far more productive use of time then haveing her copy this entire thread and at least then she would be able to see the end of it!!

Magik's slave

That sounds really good!  Tell ya what, find me that book and I won't have her copy this particular post as a special thank you to you.



Ill make you another deal, Ill find you the book and send it to you free of charge if you dont have her copy this thread at all, and perhaps agree to speak to me on the other side, I dont wish to bash you but I do wish to help, if not for yourself for Jodi's sake!

Magik's slave




chiaThePet -> RE: Being loyal to your word (7/8/2007 10:07:22 PM)

Dear akbarbarian,

i will simply offer my feelings concerning Your post, knowing full well
that i cannot profess to be an expert to the M/s relationship You identify.

During the past two years, i have been mentored by a most respected
Woman of Dominance, whom required specific points of protocol
should i desire to remain a boy of learning to Her. The presentation
of such before me, were preceded by what Mystress commanded
as the Guiding Principle. The Principle spoke to the importance of
Family, and that such should not be jeopardized at the bequest of
a Dominant over a submissive. Family comes first, this was the
directive of Mystress, and i found great respect for Her in this most
cherished consideration as i am profoundly close and protective of
many members of my family, some, not so much, that being what it is.

i understand that You are not married to Your slave, and that the
relationship is young with many paths to travel. If marriage were
in the mix, Your slave would certainly owe You the utmost of
consideration as You now would be Family, but You are not.
You see Yourself as her Master, and she Your slave, baptized
into the relationship willingly, blood however, can be defined as
thicker than water, whether we like the order of such things or not.

As a young boy, i was raised to hold the utmost respect for my
elders, to cherish their knowledge, wisdom, and strength for
having come so far and surviving much. Their guidance is for
myself, priceless and adored. Of course circumstance will be
what it is, and many will feel differently about specific elders in
their lives, but we all know and love someone whom offers of
themselves simply of love and kindness. Respect for elders,
love of family, i hold both dear to my heart and give myself
permission to uphold the importance of such as it affects the
moments of my days. It is a good attribute that Your slave
finds such respect in her heart also. It is a sad circumstance
which has driven such to become the issue it has for the two
of you. What should be a beauty in her, has now caused You
to see disobedience, betrayal, disrespect and disloyalty. Pity.

This will more than likely be just one of many circumstances
in Your relationship which will require insight and exploration
as to the best possible result for the benefit of both. Yes, i
understand You consider Yourself a Master whom makes the
rules to be abided by, but what good are commands when
issued to empty chairs and non-existent stares? Our resolves
are tested on a daily basis by the world around us, sometimes
we simply must find compromise before such, for as mighty
and powerful as we may be, there will always be something
greater to test and require from us. The most absolute of
authority may be laid waste by an unforgiving and relentless
world, pedestals crumble, even on the highest of highs.

Do You not care for her beyond the fact that she is Your slave?
If not, then You will know no compassion for her love and beauty.
If so, then seize the opportunity to grow and prosper in Your
relationship by showing the might of understanding and the
strength which shall overcome mere moments of mortality.
Words can destroy, or become the foundation of a greater
structure of stability, choosen wisely they become mortar
to bind sensibility and resolution that withstand the tremors
which will surely tempt and topple weakened cornerstones.

There shall always be those in the gallery whom will shout
"guillotine,guillotine, simply satisfied only by sinister snears
of retribution. It is not that i do not understand what You
have spoken here, but i find distaste in the use of the words
punishment or discipline as related to the circumstances You
have offered to us. Your slave was caught in her own
changing circumstance, love of family ruled the moment,
it trumped even Your own desires, love became stronger
than even the fear she must have felt in denying You.
Love conquered fear, happens, happens all the time.

You are both young, Your relationship is but young, take not
every ripple in the water and turn such into a tidal wave, it will
simply cause You both to drown in the constant crashing of
waves. Discuss as adults those trials which shall tempt the
success of Your relationship, each has feelings no matter the
dynamic of the order of things. If one is simply discounted
by placement of order, then they will most likely become as
the empty chair and the non-existent stare. And then who
have You really become a Master of? Certainly not love.

i will share with You that which affected me most while reading
through this thread, that being Your posting of Your slaves
emails to You in the course of this predicament. i do not believe
she meant for You to print such here for all to see, a betrayal on
Your part as i see it. Perhaps an early round of punishment? 
i know that if my Dominant shared my heartfelt words beyond
the eyes i meant to read them, i would lose a good dose of
respect for that person, regardless of intent. But then again,
mistakes and errors in judgement can flow both ways i suppose,
regardless of the order of things, despite posture and stance.

Just a few thoughts and feelings i had as i read Your post and
thought of how the males in my family watched with a keen eye
those who came calling for their daughter, grandaughter and
sister. Love of family, a powerful, conquering beautiful fact of life.
Another being, they will interrupt Your life at the most inopportune
moments possible, nobody's fault, it just happens.

chia* (the pet)




akbarbarian -> RE: Being loyal to your word (7/8/2007 10:44:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: texancutie

That is true...am just catching up here.  Think I will stick with Harry Potter, at least that is definitely going to press...lol.

Well I'm considering several book deals now actually.




slaveofKaos -> RE: Being loyal to your word (7/9/2007 1:48:39 AM)

Hello everyone and thanks for all your posts and trying to help my Master sort things out and me as well, I have learned a lot from reading these posts. Unfortunately for Master and I were still at a loss, lol hard to believe I know. The problem i'm having with it is that I look at it as Master put his "want" above my "need".  I trust Master to make my decisions for me, but what should one do in a situation like this? Master wanted to go to his cousins party so he could meet a lot of new people, I wanted to stay at my grandpas party because I wouldn’t have even seen him if I was to leave when Master wanted me to (due to miscommunication between my mom and myself), and I do worry that my grandpa wont make it much longer as he's 83 and not in good health. Master says I should do whatever he tells me to do when he tells me to do it and I agree for the most part, but I asked him what happens if what I do has some major repercussion for example what if I'm to go to court and you tell me I cant you want me at home, and then a cop shows up and arrests me because I didn’t show up. His response was well then I have to deal with my slave being in jail, but it’s my decision to make. I’m very confused by this I would want to trust that my Master wouldn’t put me in a situation like that, but then my Master says it’s his decision to make. What is one to do or think? I love serving my Master and I don’t want to stop serving him, but it looks like we want different things. And please I know what his profile says and yes I understand, but

He’s the Master I always dreamed of having but living the reality is a lot harder to adjust to than once imagined.

If things didn’t work out between Master and I I'm not sure what would happen I wouldn’t just go searching for another Master as I would have to reevaluate everything I've ever wanted and hoped for.




k8trix -> RE: Being loyal to your word (7/9/2007 5:38:01 AM)

Coming from a very close family myself, I can kind of see her problem here, but that doesn't in any, way, shape, or form excuse the behaviour.
I'm not sure what your girl's relationship with her family is like, but for myself, my family got to the place where they were very used to manipulating me. I'm the oldest of 5 and I've always been soft spoken and less independant than the others. When I had a Master it took getting used to being guided -only- by him and not letting my family try to control me, and sometimes I felt very torn between the two. It didn't take long, however, for me to learn how much more stable I felt only being guided by him.

In my relationship I would have been punished for acting in such a way.




CutieMouse -> RE: Being loyal to your word (7/9/2007 5:47:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveofKaos

Master says I should do whatever he tells me to do when he tells me to do it and I agree for the most part, but I asked him what happens if what I do has some major repercussion for example what if I'm to go to court and you tell me I cant you want me at home, and then a cop shows up and arrests me because I didn’t show up. His response was well then I have to deal with my slave being in jail, but it’s my decision to make. I’m very confused by this I would want to trust that my Master wouldn’t put me in a situation like that, but then my Master says it’s his decision to make. What is one to do or think? I love serving my Master and I don’t want to stop serving him, but it looks like we want different things. And please I know what his profile says and yes I understand, but


I can't stay quiet anymore...

What is one to do or think? Pick a master who is capable of making wise decisions.

Look at the jail example:

You have an obligation as defined by society and the legal system, to respond to a court summons at 10am on Tuesday.

You have an obligation to please and serve your master at 10am every morning, 7 days a week.

If you obey the court summons, your master does without you one morning. Annoying, irritating, but manageable (we are adults, after all).

If you disobey the court summons, your master not only does without you, he has to waste X amount of time and resources, to bail you out of jail, pay the fines, and loose you to *more* court dates in the future, for having broken the law.

So- one could split hairs about where said slave's loyalties/obligations/blahblahblah are for thinking the court has the audacity to expect said master to do without her, and take a "damn the man" position for the sake of power, control, and argue that going to jail instead of the court date would prevent the "breakdown" of the M/s "dynamic"... or one could be a mature, wise adult (master),  and not be so insecure as to feel threatened by Life moving forward, even though said submissive won't be at one's side at 10am next Tuesday.

Personally? The second the "deal with my slave in jail" sentence escaped the man's lips, I'd have laughed and said "Yeeaaahhhh.. See ya!"




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