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RE: If you were a Science Teacher.... - 7/8/2007 11:22:08 AM

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We only see a small part of space just like people before us only saw a small part of the earth and therefore thought it was flat.

Agreed, and knowing this is a myopic view, we do fall within the purview of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle at this mega level, one can find position, not speed, or speed and not position with certainty, we must until some wherewithal is found, decide on statistical average, and call that the measure.

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RE: If you were a Science Teacher.... - 7/8/2007 11:54:18 AM

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the center is a moving point

Isn't the centre of the universe the centre. Now you are all just confusing me on purpose.

The Center is wherever you choose it to be. Choosing weird places makes the math really hard.

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RE: If you were a Science Teacher.... - 7/8/2007 11:58:14 AM

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What is needed is a new species. ie something that is not a fly.

Most textbooks define a species as all the individual organisms of a natural population that generally interbreed at maturity in the wild and whose interbreeding produces fertile offspring.

So, for purposes of this experiment, when the fly populations can no longer interbreed, by definition, it is a new species.

QED.

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RE: If you were a Science Teacher.... - 7/8/2007 12:16:17 PM

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THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION and not GOOD science.

I suspect that we will see that the reason that we percieve the universe is like we see it has to do with its being founded on resonance, or if you are willing to accept it, standing waves............for those who would give me the benefit of the doubt and assume I am not ignorant in total or just fucking with you.....take a long curly phone cord...................hooked in at your phone and at the body............make like a skip rope with it, it is moving around several centers, that are harmonic (indeed, I think this will be found to be the base reason that you can see the back of your head if you can peer out in the universe far enough and that time as we understand it does not flow from present to past (sorry ancient time travelors) and may also eventually explain the copenhagen collapsing theory as well as the many world theory at just this simple, a reflection and refraction of our envelope, meaning there never ever ever ever ever (yadda yadda yadda) will be a see beyond the mirror; darkly.

so as LA has said, watch the last minutes of men in black, you may just be a pocket of gas in a camels ass, and could be blown out at any time.

Now, it was noted that a few months ago, Don Herbert (Mr. WIZARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) cakked the final cakk. So, in keeping with those days, there is an experiment that you can do at home........

Turn your tv to some channel you cannot get and watch, I mean really watch, the littel black and white noise shit, and listen to the cccccccccccchhhhhhhhjjjjjjjjjjjzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........

Although it includes the heat from your body, the device and your refridgerator and so on..........

You are seeing and hearing the left over radio waves and background heat and noise from the very beginning of our universe, alot of 'BEAUTIFUL MINDS' are trying to organize and decode that information.

It will not happen in my lifetime, but someone is gonna see it somewhere in time, and I wish she would suck my cock, and make it worth waiting for.

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RE: If you were a Science Teacher.... - 7/8/2007 12:37:13 PM

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This is what we (me and the UMs) did - interesting for all as it turned out.

First we took all the measurements for the solar system, and scaled them down to make paper circles that were the planets. We made the back of the house the sun - big chalk circle on the inside back wall. Then we stuck the planets on the wall all along the hallway that runs up the inside of the house. Mercury was a tiny dot, Jupiter around the size of a tennis ball etc, and placed them at the right scaled down distances from one another. My house is around 50ft long from back to front - we just about got Neptune inside, stuck to the front window and then had to imagine Pluto on the other side of the road.

We then calculated scaled down distances for nearby stars - all of which would have been many miles away. From that, we imagined that our galaxy might be about the size of Earth, and the next galaxy as far away as Venus. From that we all got the idea of how f'in far away it must be to the pretty lights at the edge of the universe.

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RE: If you were a Science Teacher.... - 7/8/2007 12:47:44 PM

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never mind...

this just hurts my head so
I will just go disect a worm instead... lol

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RE: If you were a Science Teacher.... - 7/8/2007 12:51:45 PM

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were you not already placed in the universe, you could give me head, and I would love to kick you in the shins, I don't doubt.

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RE: If you were a Science Teacher.... - 7/8/2007 12:55:48 PM

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beware the sharp teeth

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RE: If you were a Science Teacher.... - 7/8/2007 12:59:01 PM

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the teeth that bite;
the claws that catch;
beware the frumious bandersnatch.

That is all.

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RE: If you were a Science Teacher.... - 7/8/2007 1:45:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

...how would you try to explain to a class just how big in human terms that the Universe is?
I mean as good as you could and trying to put it on a scale that humans could understand.

This one's easy for me, 'cause I am a Science teacher. :P

Two points.
-Scope of understanding.
-Analogies.

For starters, I hope everyone understands that no one understands the true size of the universe outside of the abstract. It is beyond the magnitude at which people can comprehend outside of the simple attributes such as the previously mentioned one of being bigger than anything we can comprehend.

Analogies are great. Figure out the order of magnitude you want to talk about, then extrapolate it on itself several times over. For example, say you want to explain the size of something that's 10^5 units in length. You could take something else that's say, 1 unit in length, and another thing that's 10 units in length, and say..

"Imagine an object that's larger than this <10 unit object> as this <10 unit object> is larger than the <1 unit object>.
Now imagine an object that's larger than the <new 100 unit objecct> as the <10 unit object> was to the <1 unit object> or the <100 unit object> is itself larger than the <10 unit object>.
Now imagine yet another object that's larger than the <new 1000 unit object> as the ..."

And, well, I hope you can see where this is going. I'm afraid I see no other way around this sort of explanation for even a hope at even an abstract comprehension, and I also fear that this sort of explanation is lost on many as too complex.

In short, that's the best manner I know in which to explain it in any meaningful way, but no one truly understands the size of the universe, and not overly many even understand it to the degree that the analogous abstraction method provides.

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RE: If you were a Science Teacher.... - 7/8/2007 1:55:06 PM

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<object> ~~ object in roughly analogous fashion, the difficutly here is that the universe is not an object that can be ascertained in objective fashion, it is the container in which we place objects, an analogy in and of itself. There is a within, and a without, and magnitude is of no meningful use, because the equivalence is that -----------

Nah, fuck that line of reasoning, a black hole---first question, why don't it swallow the universe up doc?

LOL, continuum is the closest we can puke.

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RE: If you were a Science Teacher.... - 7/8/2007 2:02:35 PM

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Nah, fuck that line of reasoning, a black hole---first question, why don't it swallow the universe up doc?

Not enough gravity.

Plus they evaporate 'n such due anti-matter reactions in the vacuum. (There are more complex answers, but I suppose you wanted a simplier one.)

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RE: If you were a Science Teacher.... - 7/8/2007 2:35:41 PM

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I can live without them, but that is too simple given the premise of the OP. Which is where I am trying to throw my bales.

Ron

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RE: If you were a Science Teacher.... - 7/8/2007 2:37:08 PM

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I can live without them, but that is too simple given the premise of the OP. Which is where I am trying to throw my bales.

Ron

Uhhhhhhhhhh.......and anti-gravity has very little to do with this, health science teacher.We are fairly sure that what gets sucked in is not annihilated, we just don't know where the fuck it goes............one more reason that we have to believe that is that the universe appears to be expanding, not sucked in on its own weight.

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RE: If you were a Science Teacher.... - 7/8/2007 2:49:41 PM

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The trouble with space, is that very large numbers really don't mean anything to us.

Consider the distance from the sun - 93.2 million miles. Consider there are 63,360 inches in a mile. Consider a dollar bill is 6.14 inches long. The US National Debt means we could stack dollar bills, end to end, and make four and a half round trips to the Sun. Or, end to end, they could easily outshoot Saturn.

Perhaps our debt will enable us to reach Alpha Centauri before shuttle propulsion can? ;)

Seriously, if you pointed to a blade of grass in the school yard and say it's the sun, than a blade of grass a foot a way, and call it Pluto, than a blade of grass in China would be like Alpha Centauri.

Stephan

I do so enjoy when numbers are related to units of average-consumer comprehensibility.

Thankfully, most 'money' remains in the 'virtual' [electronic] realm,
for the sake of trees and all that trees represent in a world supportive of life as we know it

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RE: If you were a Science Teacher.... - 7/8/2007 2:54:31 PM

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There are many quantum singularities in the universe all pulling in different directions some will balance one another but others will absorb more mass and so become stronger. They call a quantum singularity a black hole because not even light can escape its pull and we all know how fast that travels. In the end the universe will stop expanding maybe and there will be a big crush I’m told. This will result in one solid chunk of everything which can then explode again to repeat the cyclic universe. I’ll be dead then so it doesn’t matter but I may be born again a thousand times if the same explosion occurs and the same events repeat exactly. Pause for thoughts…

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RE: If you were a Science Teacher.... - 7/8/2007 2:54:35 PM

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LOL, the equivalence principle, no matter is created or destroyed, perhaps the quantum foam is what is given by the asshole of a black hole, but it probably slaughters more trees in the end by you writing on this screen than to hack down a birch and write the papyrus outright.

but cute,

Ron

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RE: If you were a Science Teacher.... - 7/8/2007 2:54:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

And no matter how big the Universe is wouldn't it have to "end" at some point?
And what would there be at the "end" of the Universe?
Some good answers in here thanks.

Agreed...
with all we have been raised to comprehend...
beginnings and ends, finity...
considering Infinity naturally concludes
in that place where the mind goes: *bzzzt!*

and rather a cool moment that is :)

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RE: If you were a Science Teacher.... - 7/8/2007 2:57:02 PM

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the center is a moving point

Isn't the centre of the universe the centre.
Now you are all just confusing me on purpose.

The Center is wherever you choose it to be.
Choosing weird places makes the math really hard.

ROFL... and just too practical

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RE: If you were a Science Teacher.... - 7/8/2007 2:57:09 PM

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the universe begins for you when you are born, and ends for you when you die......think beetlejuice, the rest is wanton desire.

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