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RE: Domme drop/Dismissal - 7/9/2007 5:57:09 PM   
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It seems like you have had some wonderful advice and some stuff on the other side to help you stay strong in the I am not out to hurt him side of things (sometimes one can wonder when they play mental games, the lines can blur on the 'am I doing this on purpose or am I just being clumsy?' mental circut).

I always believe in honesty, it keeps your personal integrity in place.

I have also recently started to understand the "only responsible for your half of any relationship" thing. Perhaps this is old news to you, but it has opened up all kinds of freedom for me.

I have also come from a long time belief of you are the center of your world, you do what you want even is it seems to be for another. I believe that people who suffer for others are as selfish as those who take all they can get. We give ourselves what we need at the time. Allowing those needs to change (as there is only one certainty and that is CHANGE) the levels of self respect and the ability to be gentle with oneself can increase, then we can move into a new place and experience things from a different angle.

There is a yoga posture called "childs pose" it is reputed to assist one to make heart led decisions.
To get into it one kneels down and folds forward, chest towards thighs, arms laying along the side of you and first finger, if able, curled around baby toe (this completes the circuit) and head tucked in forhead resting ideally on the floor/mat/bed. If this seems to make you feel tilted and weird in the head then you can prop head onto hands however you are most comfortable.

One more thing... Perhaps you can envision yourself as your own best person in your minds eye and ask how would your ideal you handle it. You have the strength the beauty and all you could need inside you.

I wish you all the best in this life learning and I hope you are able to be proud of yourself and your effort and also forgiving, no matter how things turn out.


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RE: Domme drop/Dismissal - 7/9/2007 7:00:49 PM   
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DG to the rescue
Howdy! Just passing through these parts and thought I might chime in.  I dislike much of the terminology that we use....But that being said, I read your profile...You seem to be an intelligent and caring woman.

Here is my take probably 100% wrong....It has nothing to do with drop or being a Dom....Maybe it has much more to do with getting older and wiser and expecting more than just play.  Play is fleeting...It's all about the moment and nothing more....Some people are fine with it..There are times when play hits the right spot (no pun intended).Then there are moments who you might consider that you want and deserve more....It can leave one with an empty hollow feeling....(Of course being a manly, manly man...I am only relaying what others have told me....lol )...That you are entitled to better. At times such feelings can be rather overwhelming, sometimes it is just a matter of trying to define yourself....Is this me? Does it still fit?...What would work best for me?....Anywhooo ...Probably all wrong...Move along...Nothing to see here.


I agree 100% also with DG on this.
Casual play does little for me, and this is one reason I am so picky about my submissive.
I am a tad older, and I think it is something many women "outgrow".
You are a wonderful caring Domina, and you are growing, evolving and wanting more from your
relationships!
*It took guts to share this, and I appreciate it*
It is so much easier to be judgemental than it is to share real information isn't it?
Thank you for sharing with us Kara.



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RE: Domme drop/Dismissal - 7/10/2007 1:25:06 AM   
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LadyPact,
Thank you, I have come to expect wisdom and tact from you always.  I appreciate your comments and yes, it's time for Me to think about how I'm going to end the D/s relationship.
With kind regard,
~Kara


Kara, 
 
You are quite welcome.  I only wish I could have been more helpful with a suggestion.
 
LP

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RE: Domme drop/Dismissal - 7/10/2007 5:43:57 PM   
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Such brilliant advice, thanks so much!
~Kara

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RE: Domme drop/Dismissal - 7/10/2007 5:45:53 PM   
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Thanks Mia :) I know I can count on you to be supportive and understanding.  I appreciate your take on the matter as well.  It *is* all about growing up and knowing what *I* want.
All the best to you,
~Kara

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RE: Domme drop/Dismissal - 7/10/2007 7:06:32 PM   
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Dear KaramelGoddess, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
In my mind's eyes I see; that feelings within really haven't been sorted.  Of course feelings and emotions are often times hard to put into words.  In reading a bit more when you expressed yourself about things -- I can understand the issue of being vunerable and suddenly clam snap shut like a locket. 
 
If I was in a similar situation, knowing how I come full out and vunerable to a friend, as Scenes are considered by some as sexual and or sensual foreplay; when the scene is over -- the first stage in what may be 'the art of love/passion/sex' is where you wish to hold it; since this friend who has seen you several times has fed that level--and his also.  I would explain to the male friend how these stages of which you're capable of but, wish it to stay at the first stage and not progress.
 
Further-- it is not because either of you are wrong or correct.  You are just stating where your physical boundaries must be; but most of all your emotional and mental boundaries also.  So, it is seen as closing the curtain as that is the final 'act' per se; or you could use the analogy of closing the locket or a clam shell.  Giving all from beginning to end in that section of that moment.
 
I would appreciate knowing if someone was cutting off a relationship because of something I did or if it is their emotional and mental status in growth must stop at a certain stage and not willing to go further.  Yet, has nothing to do with friendship and or the limited relationship they have. 
 
At times, I don't want to be touched.  I am a very affectionate person.  I wish to savor the entire scene and touching just takes that away like waking me from a dream--it startles you and you loose the dream and the experiences of that dream.  A masochist I TOP occasionally hates to be touched after a heavy scene.  Its just being 'him' and no reflection on me, or him--its just the way it is.  It is seen by the peanut gallery as not giving after care--but, that is his preferences and I respect that.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: Domme drop/Dismissal - 7/11/2007 1:46:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KaramelGoddess

I'll respond to this post rather than take each one in turns.
 
Some history:  This sub and I have played with each other before.  This wasn't a first time thing.  We've had both good scenes and ones that didn't work out so well.  There *has* been attraction from both sides in the past.  This is why I am wondering if My feelings were a part of the Drop.
Last night was one of the good times with positive reactions and orgasms for both.. It certainly wasn't one-sided.

Karamel --
The picture you present now looks much different than what it sounded from the OP.  Perhaps knowing that up front might have helped alot of our feedback that you were soliciting. 




 


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RE: Domme drop/Dismissal - 7/11/2007 1:51:27 AM   
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I understand your apprehension sarbonn - I have been dumped because of My looks, race, because I am too Dominant or not Dominant enough (in their estimation).  I know what it is to be hurt that way, which is why I need to know how to handle this properly.  I don't know if these feelings will pass.  It may just be a case of seeing him again and knowing in My heart and mind that it was just part of the Drop.  I sincerely do NOT want to see him hurt, but I'm not going to continue playing and faking it...that isn't fair to either parties.
~Kara


From your OP: I came to the conclusion that for Me...there is no spark, there is no real attraction to him. 
 
So, which is it... some sort of "drop" or no attraction? One certainly can't be confused to be the other? Can it?

Drop to me & as I have seen it described was more along the lines of over powering emotions or the jitters after coming off that high you get when you play intensely.... never once have it ever once been associated with suddenly becoming aware that you have no attraction to someone. Most often that "waking up with an ugly lay" was brought about by sobriety in the morning.

Was this just a case where you were in Dom Frenzy (can be viewed as an intoxication) & after you satisfied your lust you sobered up & realized you used someone to satisfy you & that you wouldn't have done so with if you had been sober?



Agreed, drop is NOT the same as "no spark."  As we discussed in the long thread about dom drop with Lashra -- drop generally happens after a GOOD scene and it's over guilt about what you did to the person (beat the hell out of them, now think you're a monster), or separation (sub goes away from dom, still need connection.)  Perhaps we're missing a huge chunk of what this relationship was BEFORE the incident happened. Perhaps I read it wrong in that it seemed to be a really new situation and perhaps the first scene for them?  We can only go on what we've been presented.





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RE: Domme drop/Dismissal - 7/11/2007 7:33:25 AM   
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Hi Pandora,
 
Having read others' suggestions and advice and having thought about this over 3 days time I think that what I experienced was both a drop and the realization at the time that I didn't want to be in this kind of relationship with this particular man.  I'm also suffering from rampant PMS which doesn't help matters much!
Putting the drop aside (the tears, the guilt, the I'm such a bad bitch thoughts) - I still don't want to continue with this submissive as Domina and sub.  I'm happy to remain friends.  We're going to be meeting for coffee tomorrow and have a chat about this.  And as I've said before, the blame is purely Mine and the choice to part is purely Mine.  Who knows, he may be feeling the same way?
 
Thanks to all who've responded, I appreciate your time.
With kindest regard,
~Kara

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RE: Domme drop/Dismissal - 7/11/2007 8:18:58 AM   
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Hi Pandora,
 
Having read others' suggestions and advice and having thought about this over 3 days time I think that what I experienced was both a drop and the realization at the time that I didn't want to be in this kind of relationship with this particular man.  I'm also suffering from rampant PMS which doesn't help matters much!
Putting the drop aside (the tears, the guilt, the I'm such a bad bitch thoughts) - I still don't want to continue with this submissive as Domina and sub.  I'm happy to remain friends.  We're going to be meeting for coffee tomorrow and have a chat about this.  And as I've said before, the blame is purely Mine and the choice to part is purely Mine.  Who knows, he may be feeling the same way?
 
Thanks to all who've responded, I appreciate your time.
With kindest regard,
~Kara

Yep, and PMSing is the absolute worst time to do anything where your mind needs to be able to balance emotions, make decisions or really make changes to your life.   I learned that this morning at work (the hard way!)  Good luck with the resolution that you choose and wishes that it works out the way you wish.

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RE: Domme drop/Dismissal - 7/11/2007 8:43:46 AM   
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I stopped responding when it became obvious that you were going to lash out at anyone who had anything to say that didn't offer you props. Namely me.

I'm sure that if you go back & reread what I said you will see that I was not depicting you as some big bad domme.... your words: (the tears, the guilt, the I'm such a bad bitch thoughts) you decided to transpose those "I'm a bitch" thoughts onto me thus making me the finger pointer & name caller... which wasn't the case at all.

You aren't the first to do so on here & you won't be the last. Seems to be a common trend when one is perplexed about their choices, especially when there is a good chance they made wrong choices. Easier to apply those hateful feelings onto others than apply them to self. Not an easy pill to swallow.

My posts were never an attack... you did ask for input, you did say you didn't know what to think about this situation, you weren't sure if this was associated with drop, you did ask others for feedback about any personal experience, you asked for suggestions on how to tactfully/politely handle this... I replied. Many replied with similar statements.

I do wish you well with this & I hope that you are able to maintain your friendship with this person. After all... that was what my posts were about, making sure that your friend wasn't hurt in the process while you were sorting out mixed feelings.
 
 

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RE: Domme drop/Dismissal - 7/11/2007 9:55:15 AM   
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Ok you know what?  I got your points the first, second and third times.  Admittedly I do tend to get taken aback when someone tries to force their opinion time and time again and you chose to see My disagreements as "lashing out".  So be it.  We'll agree to disagree.  And I won't pretend to wish you well.
Edited to add - and I certainly don't NEED props - that isn't what I post here for!

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RE: Domme drop/Dismissal - 7/13/2007 9:07:05 PM   
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Hmmmmmmmmmm......

It sounds to Me as though you're missing some sub who was once VERY special to your heart. 

You need the play, the scene, the release of S/m, you need the sex, the contact, and the resulting exhausted bliss.

And as soon as you catch your breath, in spite of all of the good things about your session together,  your consciousness reminds you that it just wasn't 'him', that 'one' who made a place in your heart.

You're overwhelmed by a deep emptiness that misses <<<<<<<'him'>>>>>>>.

Been there, done that.

Hang in there, it gets better with time. 

You might never fall in love with this sub but a good sub who can even 'get' you there is pretty tough to find.  Keep him, use him, and then tell him to go home.

If he likes being used, being sent away will be a rush for him and both your needs are met.

Eventually you'll meet someone who trips your trigger again, and who knows, you might want to keep this guy on the side.

I learned to appreciate the lyrics of a song and I modified the refrain just a bit; I STILL sing it in My head over and over again when I'm with someone who just doesn't fill My heart:

...."and if you can't be
with the sub you love....
...well then...
love the sub you're with!
love the sub you're with!
love the sub you're with!

There's a Rose
In a fisted Glove
And the eagle flies with the dove
And if you can't be with the sub you love
It's alright
Go ahead and love the sub, love the sub, love the sub your with
Love the sub, love the sub, love the sub your with
If your sub can't come to you
And you don't remember who your talking to
Your concentration slips away
Because your baby, he is so so far away

And there's a rose in a fisted glove
And the eagle flies with the dove
And if you cant be with the sub you love
Love the sub your with
Don't be angry
Don't be sad
Don't sit cryin' for good times you had
There's a sub right next to you
And he's waiting for something to do

Do it
Do it
Do it
Turn your heartache into joy
You're a girl and he's your a boy
Get together, make it tonight,
You ain't gonna need no more advice

Just love the sub your with

...."and if you can't be
with the sub you love....
...well then...
love the sub you're with!
love the sub you're with!
love the sub you're with!

TM (with a little help from Crosby Stills Nash and Young) ; )

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RE: Domme drop/Dismissal - 7/14/2007 3:02:46 PM   
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Wow...is all I can say...(in a good way).
 
Thanks TM
 
~Kara

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RE: Domme drop/Dismissal - 7/15/2007 12:38:19 AM   
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KaramelGoddess

Maybe of what u have done with this man u wouldn't do say if u were to be married ect. I think people allot seem to slip away from each other it allso depends on how and what you were doing. Im sure its gonna hurt no matter what but u better be sure going into this cause if u have a other dream thought then if u let him go i mean wow thats that^^

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RE: Domme drop/Dismissal - 7/15/2007 3:55:11 AM   
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greetings

watch out he may not take this too well. as dommes we do forget this is a man and yes they are stronger physically so tell him on the phone not in person, no one even a submissive want to be drop so coldly yes it is cold but it not you fault you do not have feeling for him '


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RE: Domme drop/Dismissal - 8/12/2007 1:55:05 PM   
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it is always soo hard when this point is reached in relationships- no matter what forms they exhibit - i have been on both sides of them and neither is desireable - good luck to You....

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RE: Domme drop/Dismissal - 8/12/2007 2:55:25 PM   
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Perhaps the activity was really fun, and you were getting off on yourself and the actions, but not on the person in particular. Then, post-orgasm, when you were cooling down and not focusing on activities any longer, your lack of attraction to the person ceased to be masked by the fun activities and your own energy. I don't think there's anything irresponsible or wrong about this approach, especially if you don't lie about it and say that this is an expression of your love for the person (although, out of kindness, you probably shouldn't tell the person that they're a convenient and willing and satisfied canvas--even if that's true and you both know it, it's not very nice to say it.) So, it's not a bad thing to do, but if not being attracted to the person is disruptive emotionally to you (as it seems it is) I don't think you should play together again.

I notice in your subsequent posts that this is an ongoing playmate, and you've felt attraction previously. Could it be some thing he did--or didn't do--that day? A scent, a grooming detail, a posture, a phrase--something small, but important? Could you have been feeling badly for other reasons? Might you have just been tired? I know I've thought a scene was going really horribly toward the end, because it was three in the bloody morning and I seem to have missed the night owl gene that apparently goes with being publicly kinky.

Maybe, too, the thing to do is to give yourself a little bit of time (whatever that means for you) not worry about it, and then see if you feel at all interested in getting together with this person again. If you are, get together (assuming he's interested--which it seems like he would be), do things that you find fun, and see if this happens again. It might have just been a fluke. If it does happen again, however, I think you might want to examine it very carefully, perhaps talking with him. It's worth mentioning that if you're uncomfortable expressing strong emotions in most situations, you could say that you're feeling unwell or tired.

However, if you think that your attraction has run its course, and if you're not at all interested in playing again, then there's nothing wrong with not playing with people, even if you've had satisfying play with them before. Many relationships serve a need for a period of time and then either the relationship stops serving the need or the need changes and the relationship doesn't fit it. (Some people, too, have unattractive traits that emerge over time, although that's a different thread.) The key is, as you said, to end casual relationships gracefully and kindly--and, I think, to recognize that your playmate might not be happy about it, even though it's a legitimate thing to do. How to tell him so while being kind? Lots of options--I'm not really familiar with your particular situation, so some might not fit. If you have multiple playmates, you could say that you had fun and you're getting a lot of the things you got from your scene with him with others, so while he was unique initially, it's not very interesting to play with him anymore. Or, your desires have changed. Since it's a longer thing, you could simply say that you like him, and you feel like you've run your course with one another and that it's time to move on. This is a honest and kind way to say things--throw in a compliment or two if you don't expect him to argue with you. (Note the lack of "but" in that sentence--it's deliberate.) You could do the "running low on time" excuse, too--few people believe it after a relationship has gone on for a while, especially if you're going to see one another socially afterward, but it's face-saving for everyone involved.

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