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LuckyAlbatross -> RE: BDSM and the SCA (7/11/2007 2:18:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy
Does anyone nudge a friend and say, "Oh my fucking god!!!...Check that out"  Or have you reached a level of maturity and tolerance that nothing takes you back a step?

I'm afraid I haven't reached that level....I'm rarely invited to such events or funerals.

Oh no, I fully admit my partner and I chuckle at the newbie swaggering with floggers on their hips, or the single guy CONSTANTLY cracking his whip at the air, or the couple who does the exact same scene EVERY month, the arrogance of the guy with two chicks on his leash completely ignoring the icy stares the females give to eachother when he isn't looking.

If you can't laugh at your culture, what can you laugh at?




astro1347 -> RE: BDSM and the SCA (7/11/2007 2:29:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Yeah but the people at the goth/industrial clubs are so warm and inviting....[sm=biggrin.gif]


I really wish there was some way for me to give you the "young brooding goth tart, disgusted with your normality, eye rolling" dismisal with a flip of my wrist.

LOL




MissHarlet -> RE: BDSM and the SCA (7/11/2007 2:35:51 PM)

I worked at Ren Faires for many years and was too naive to notice more than the casual sex or Faire length affairs ... Now I look back and know what was going on at some of the after hour parties !!

As for SCA ..it is fun to watch and participate on the fringes at one of their events not in nilla public ..but not for me all the time.

I guess Im very tolerant of those with different lifestyles as I wish them to be accepting of mine.

I just dont think that anyone has the right to force their lifestyle on anyone else.

As for the floggers on the hip and extreme fetish wear .. my experience is that is usually the newbies and wannabes .. tho of course not always.  And my biggest issue with  any alternative groups code of dress .. is .. " just because it comes in your size doesnt mean you look good in it"




sophia37 -> RE: BDSM and the SCA (7/11/2007 2:36:49 PM)

to Herjar92, you said, "When I went with my sister to a few (SCA) events when I was in my early twenties, I just thought it was geeks getting laid." Well I dont know, with all due respect, but a lot of us in the renaissance realm still think the SCA is about geeks getting laid. lololol




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: BDSM and the SCA (7/11/2007 2:39:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MissHarlet
As for the floggers on the hip and extreme fetish wear .. my experience is that is usually the newbies and wannabes .. tho of course not always.  And my biggest issue with  any alternative groups code of dress .. is .. " just because it comes in your size doesnt mean you look good in it"


LOL as a confirmed lifelong member of the Stand & Model club, I'm all about the extreme/odd fashions. 

But that size comment is brilliant!




instynctive -> RE: BDSM and the SCA (7/11/2007 4:19:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado
The fact that anyone can present themselves as a member of royalty, a great swordsman, a learned scholar, etc.  is one of the attractions to the SCA...


Actually, you have to kiss ass and suck up to get anywhere in the SCA... present yourself as a member of royalty without being duly appointed and you will be blacklisted.  Present yourself as a great swordsman, and you'll have every knuckle-dragger with a piece of rattan beating you down... present yourself as a learned scholar and you'll have the Authenticity Nazis up your ass about where your documentation came from and if you present it, they'll scoff and inform you that your documentation is WRONG.

On top of it all, you pay your yearly membership fees PLUS pay to get into events PLUS ....

Have fun with it.  I do find myself thankful that I outgrew playing "Elves and Fairies."

If you want a *real* reenactment experience, try Rev War or Civil War reenactment.  That's the real deal there.




ThinkingKitten -> RE: BDSM and the SCA (7/11/2007 4:48:27 PM)

Oh gawd, now what do I do? Here I was, thinking I might get involved and check out an SCA meeting - and I read all this. Here I was thinking it might be a fun place to go and indulge my interest in the dark ages and learn about spinning and fleeces, herbalism and basic metalworking. Discuss how folks dealt with things like tuberculosis, the female period, leprosy, tetanus, and brew good brews. Construction of a malting shed, ya know? Maybe try to use a longbow....
 
And now you tell me a large number of them are lifestylers! Sheesh! To quote Jodie Foster in "Contact": "I had no idea."
 
Methinks I may have to rethink.
Thinking too much as usual.....[8|]




rhythmboi -> RE: BDSM and the SCA (7/11/2007 7:27:20 PM)

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If you want a *real* reenactment experience, try Rev War or Civil War reenactment. That's the real deal there.


I always figured it was how straight men do drag.




astro1347 -> RE: BDSM and the SCA (7/11/2007 7:27:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: instynctive

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alumbrado
The fact that anyone can present themselves as a member of royalty, a great swordsman, a learned scholar, etc.  is one of the attractions to the SCA...


Actually, you have to kiss ass and suck up to get anywhere in the SCA... present yourself as a member of royalty without being duly appointed and you will be blacklisted.  Present yourself as a great swordsman, and you'll have every knuckle-dragger with a piece of rattan beating you down... present yourself as a learned scholar and you'll have the Authenticity Nazis up your ass about where your documentation came from and if you present it, they'll scoff and inform you that your documentation is WRONG.

On top of it all, you pay your yearly membership fees PLUS pay to get into events PLUS ....

Have fun with it.  I do find myself thankful that I outgrew playing "Elves and Fairies."

If you want a *real* reenactment experience, try Rev War or Civil War reenactment.  That's the real deal there.



Yep, when I was 18 I had a girlfriend who loved going to ren fair thing and then through a friend found out that she could work at one of these SCA fairs. Her friend told her about all the stuff that went on and that they would camp out over the weekend there at the fair and all. She thought it would be a lot of fun so she signed up and went out and bought the costume that they told her to get, she then went to an orientation and was shown how a person of her 'lower class' was to act to someone of a different 'higher class', she really put a lot of time into it and was really having a good time.

Then the fair came along and the first day she went there and talked in a really bad Cockney accent, bowed to the queen when she past, used middle english (poorly) and all in all had a great time. Then after the fair closed and all the participants went to the camp site and started partying she started wandering around to all the different campsites to meet the people that she had been working with that day. She discovered pretty quickly though that as a member of the 'peasant' class she wasn't allowed into the campsites of the higher classes, and shouldn't even speak to those of the royal class. This is, just to make it clear, after the public had gone home and most people had changed into their 20th century clothes.

She found the whole group so pretentious, arrogant and fake that she went home that night.




Alumbrado -> RE: BDSM and the SCA (7/12/2007 6:14:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: instynctive

Actually, you have to kiss ass and suck up to get anywhere in the SCA... present yourself as a member of royalty without being duly appointed and you will be blacklisted.  Present yourself as a great swordsman, and you'll have every knuckle-dragger with a piece of rattan beating you down... present yourself as a learned scholar and you'll have the Authenticity Nazis up your ass about where your documentation came from and if you present it, they'll scoff and inform you that your documentation is WRONG.


If you take all of what I said, instead of half, we come up with the same thing.

Anyone can have a chance to present themself as a great swordsman, because no actual skill is required, due to the ego stroking rules. Rhinos anyone? 'Too light M'lord' ring a bell?

Anyone  who wants it bad enough to do anything, can take their half baked 'research' and kiss enough ass to get a Laurel, and then stifle anyone who comes after with serious scholarship.

No talent tone deaf boors with electronic keyboards can sit in judgement of professional musicians who can actually play their handmade instruments.

Medical professionals are prohibited from acting as 'chirurgeons', unless they are elected by a popularity contest, and 'apprentice' to someone who won the previous popularity contest.

That doesn't mean that no one of real skill ever gets ahead in the SCA, there are many noteworthy exceptions to the above.

It does mean that many of those holding impressive sounding titles could never have gotten them by entering the Olympics, or applying to a doctoral program, of auditioning for a professional music group.

Which increases the appeal of the SCA for those who value such things when obtained by high schooly social gamesmanship...
and increases the chances of them taking themselves waaaaaaaaay too seriously.

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.....If you want a *real* reenactment experience, try Rev War or Civil War reenactment.  That's the real deal there.



Good to see you have a sense of humor.[8|]




instynctive -> RE: BDSM and the SCA (7/12/2007 6:40:24 AM)

That's the other problem with the SCA.. god FORBID if anyone says ANYTHING negative about it.






GhitaAmati -> RE: BDSM and the SCA (7/12/2007 7:05:03 AM)

I have to say..I am soooooo glad I live in Trimaris and not whereever yalls bad SCA experiances come from.

Im at an SCA event usually twice a month, plus fighter practices on Sunday, household meetings every third monday, and baronial meetings every second tuesday. Add to that the three out of state drives each year for Gulf War, Pensic, and Estrella.

I will be the first to agree that the people you normally see first are uppity, political, snobs, all grovelling for whatever scraps they can get from the royalty. But we arent ALL like that. In fact, Id say the majority of the people I meet in the SCA are nothing like that. Unfortunantly, the few who are the worst are the ones who really want all the attention so they end up greeting all the newcomers and scaring them off. There are alot of people there who do what they do just to get recognition, and god forbid you actually have a natural talent at something, cause they've been researching it for 10 years and who cares if you can make something better than them, they are still gonna tell you what you're doing wrong. But there are people like that in all walks of life! Ive never seen fairies(except for the excessive force fairy on the field at Gulf Wars this past year, but thats another thread) and most of the people I know in the SCA would NEVER wear their garb outside of an SCA event or a ren faire...and to tell you the truth most SCAdians are really agasint the renfairs because thats where you find all the people who veiw it as a sideshow. Someone up there mentioned Civil war re-enactments...wanna talk abotu authenticity nazis? Damn if you arent wearing perfectly period wool uniforms and perfect accesorries, you are basically laughed out of camp. At least in the SCA the rule is an "attempt" at pre-1600 clothing, so yea you can use cheap cotton and wear nurses scrubs under your cheap t-tunic and sleep in a coleman tent and no one cares cause the whole point is to have fun, not how much money you had to spend on your gear. And you dont have to wear hot stifling clothing....no one says you have to choose a northern european persona....during the summer down here in Florida I usually go with egyptian or greek...nothing cooler than a toga! And whats are this about upper and lower classes? Everyone in the SCA is automatically a noble! You arent a lower class unless you personally choose to represent yourself as that. So even the newbies in a throw together t-tunic (SCA version of a tshirt) is still an upperclass noble. Who cares if you're using a coleman tent and mundane coolers..the whole point is the dream of something else...Our King fights in a pair of Nike tennis shoes...One of our leading rapier champians drives around in one of those little motorscooter things...no one says anything to any of them. Armor is held together with multi colored duct tape, mongols walk around in combat boots and medical scrubs, people cover coke cans in leather beer coozies....and no one cares...the whole point is to go and have fun and NOT have anyone make fun of us because we arent in the size 2 bodies we were in back when we were 18 and hadnt had kids yet. And think of all the home-made booze and easy women! There have been songs written about us Trimarians being able to drink and screw long into the night when all the other kingdoms have given up and passed out asleep...and STILL be able to win on the battle field the next morning! As long as you learn to relax, dont take anything too seriously, grab a pint of beer, and a woman, the SCA is wonderful! (and the kids enjoy it too!)


~~edited to add....Instynctive hadnt written when I started this...so I thought Id comment....
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  That's the other problem with the SCA.. god FORBID if anyone says ANYTHING negative about it.


I have no problem with anyone saying anything negitive...and if the SCA isnt for you then by all means, stay away! Cause we dont really want you...but...I wanted to make sure people understood that there was more to the SCA than the bad stuff! Yes, there is bad stuff...but there is bad stuff everywhere...learn to walk around the bad stuff and some of us arent so bad!




Alumbrado -> RE: BDSM and the SCA (7/12/2007 7:17:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: instynctive

That's the other problem with the SCA.. god FORBID if anyone says ANYTHING negative about it.





You might want to work on the reading comprehension bub.. that's twice I've posted explicitly negative comments about the SCA, and you have pretended I was defending them.







instynctive -> RE: BDSM and the SCA (7/12/2007 7:48:44 AM)

"Bub".. Ha ha.  You're so funny.  And awfully full of yourself to think I was even responding to you.

Ghita - I had the opportunity to visit Estrella one year.. even fought for one of the Baronies out there.. that weekend was probably the most fun I had.  It's probably all the East Coast groups with the attitudes.  Besides, I did my time, and after 15 years of busting my ass with fighting, A&S, archery, fencing... all I have to show for it is an AoA. 




GhitaAmati -> RE: BDSM and the SCA (7/12/2007 7:52:07 AM)

I dont even have that....doesnt matter..I dont go for the awards...Neither does the hubby (although he actually has a few) I go to have fun with my friends....




instynctive -> RE: BDSM and the SCA (7/12/2007 8:05:49 AM)

I wasn't going for the awards either, per se, but a little more recognition for busting my ass for kings and queens and dukes and duchesses would have been nice.

Oh well.

I'll stick to D&D.  ;-)




GhitaAmati -> RE: BDSM and the SCA (7/12/2007 8:14:34 AM)

You and b will have to come down one weekend....we often play D&D at SCA events....

(And we have a specially built pavillion that is strong enough for full suspension and is slightly sound "muffled" cause I cant say proofed)




instynctive -> RE: BDSM and the SCA (7/12/2007 8:18:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati

You and b will have to come down one weekend....we often play D&D at SCA events....

(And we have a specially built pavillion that is strong enough for full suspension and is slightly sound "muffled" cause I cant say proofed)


Der.. you said Trimaris.. I forgot that was Florida.. no offense ment by "all the East Coast groups...

All my period garb is gone.. sold it all on eBay... I do have some rather stunning recreations of 18th century garb, suitable for either French & Indian War or the American War for Independence... :-)




GhitaAmati -> RE: BDSM and the SCA (7/12/2007 8:23:34 AM)

Hey no problem.....we get lumped into that "east coast" grouping quite a bit....something about all the water down here though keeps up seperated from the rest!




instynctive -> RE: BDSM and the SCA (7/12/2007 8:35:47 AM)

I think the whole penninsula living makes "y'all" a little more laid back. ;-)

Plus there is no mofo on the planet cooler than Horatio Caine... ;-)




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