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ORIGINAL: LotusSong
Good point and well taken. 
 
Accidents are accidents- can't help those.  Suicide?  I dunno.. self-inflicted behavior again? 
 
Obesity is a difficult one because it's so stigmatized.  That's why I say get the doctor's opinion.
 
This is just my opinon and still thinking through your comments though :)

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I would suggest that if you are disabled enough to need a parking permit, you are disabled enough to need a parking permit. Period. It doesn't really matter how you got there. If we start basing qualifying on how much a person contributed to their own demise, I would say that an awful lot of disabled people would not qualify. How would we make such determinations? Where would it stop?....at parking permits....disability payments?....insurance? I think in the end we would probably have to just ship them all off to some deserted island to wither and die.

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That would have to allow heroin and meth addicts disabiity status?  They have addictive personalities.  Some things ARE controllable,

<< It doesn't really matter how you got there.  If we start basing qualifying on how much a person contributed to their own demise, I would say that an awful lot of disabled people would not qualify>>

I don't think those who are "demised" are eleigible.  Dead people shouldn't be driving anyhow (sorry, I couldn't resist) :)
 
Well, after my diagnosis, I am unable to get a personal life insussance policy or medical insurance. I'm "uninsurable".  The only way I am covered is through my husband's group insurance.

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well, everyone wants to know how you lost the top of your head.

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

~fr~

This thread has been quite the eye opener for me.  I guess we are now classifying people according to how they become disabled.  I guess it isn't enough that they are just plain disabled.    

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That would have to allow heroin and meth addicts disabiity status?  They have addictive personalities.  Some things ARE controllable,

<< It doesn't really matter how you got there.  If we start basing qualifying on how much a person contributed to their own demise, I would say that an awful lot of disabled people would not qualify>>

I don't think those who are "demised" are eleigible.  Dead people shouldn't be driving anyhow (sorry, I couldn't resist) :)
 
Well, after my diagnosis, I am unable to get a personal life insussance policy or medical insurance. I'm "uninsurable".  The only way I am covered is through my husband's group insurance.

Heroin and meth addicts can and do get disability status, as do alcoholics.

The definition of "demise" is not limited to death, it can mean loss of activity, position or status.

If you have insurance coverage through your husband's group policy I would say that would indicate that you are not uninsurable.

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If we stick to the topic of the HC spaces themselves, I am hard pressed that ALL disabilities qualify for HC parking privileges and they probably do not. 

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If we stick to the topic of the HC spaces themselves, I am hard pressed that ALL disabilities qualify for HC parking privileges and they probably do not. 

I was not meaning to imply that all disabilities qualify a person for a handicapped parking permit. I was simply responding to the points that you touched upon.

You responded to one poster and told her that if her obesity was not self inflicted she should be able to get a parking permit. I contend that self inlfliction should not be considered in making the determination whether or not someone qualifies for special parking privileges.

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ORIGINAL: kittensmailbox

just laughing at SardonicAss  

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You go ahead with that. And while you're doing that, my friends and I will be quietly pursuing the predator in the pickup who just snatched a UM that the cops are unable to chase down because they're busy busting those nefarious parking space bandits. I can see the headlines now "violent offenders set free to make room for those serving time under a mandatory sentencing law....their crime: PARKING.

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Well thank you. :) I do try hard to live up to my name.

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you must have permit on your car thats the law. my ex doesnt look like he needs to park close to the entrance , but he gets tired quickly and his MS might exarcebate at any time.  if you need one get one. or else you will not only get a funny look from me you will hear some choice words. will also call the cops...

Yup.  I had MS for some time before it became visible. The neurologist will issue a permit request at that time.  For me, the fact you have something indicating  you went through the channels to get a placard or plate.. it's not a problem for me.

Now if I see a giggling group of teenie boppers sprinting out of a car at the mall parked in a handicapped spot and they have a placard.. I might report it to see if the registration number on the placard is ligit.  If not- game over.  

You know, I just have to wonder. . . due largely to the militant nature of your posts and the voracity of your words. . . what are you? The wheeled avenger? Do you just patrol the lots looking for people to bust? You seem entirely too consumed by this. That's not healthy. What will you do if the day should come that no one parks in handi-spaces that doesn't need them? What 'battle' will you fight then?

Another thing I wonder about is. . . do you feel being in that chair just entitles you to special treatment? I read what you said about helping someone out of their car and in the same breath you mention that you're stubborn and wouldn't ask. Soooo what? Because we have workings legs, we're just supposed to run up to any car 'legally' parked in one of those spaces to see if we can help a person who may or may not even want our help? Yeah I can see that going over really well.

Unless I'm mistaken, part of being in a wheelchair is learning to be as self-reliant as those who aren't and to learn to take care of yourself. You have a lift van, a POWER chair and use probably a 10th of the energy it takes a walking person to get into the same building. I know it must suck to have to be in a chair, but damn, sometimes I have to say I'd rather just have a seat and let a powered piece of equipment do the work for me. That's one of the reasons man invented cars. We got tired of walking everywhere.

Remember: just because some people can walk, doesn't make them the enemy. You strike me as someone who really needs to come to terms with your disability and stop looking for confrontation where ever it may or may not exist. Yeah, some lazy assholes park in handi-spaces. It happens. We as a people are becoming far more lazy and that's just the way it is. There should not be a war over spaces though. It's certainly not worth a 4-page rant where you sit there and judge who should and should not take up one of your precious spaces.

It's not your concern who deserves a plaquard and who doesn't. Maybe they forgot it, maybe they lost it. Who's to say? Are you going to honestly tell me that if you saw some old granny hobbling and wheezing into a store from a car with no sticker that you would report her because clearly she must not need the space if she has no sticker?

Give me a break.

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Lotus, I'll start with you....
"There is a temporary permit for those that are only temporarily incapacitated.  Maybe you are so upset because you don't know how to get one.  Here's the info- act on it.  (I'm ready for the "I don't have time excuse". You MAKE time.  If that's the case.. save your pennies for the fines) 

No excuses.. NEXT!  (this is like shooting fish in a barrel)"

A: it's none of your business whether we qualify or not.

Only if you want to qualify for a HC parking permit.
 
Like I said, she was SUPPOSED to be back on her feet and fine a week later. 6 weeks later and still she's not back to work. 

GET the woman her Permit!!!!!!

B: You say NEXT as though you just accomplished something. You didn't. Like I said, me, my mom, my video and my three lawyers would GLADLY tend to any court summons over something this trivial.

It makes me wonder if you have many legal issues with a crew of three lawyers like that.  Good luck.  (But after you pay their fees you may want to save a bit for your HC parking fines)

"Tell that to your momma. "

This comment right here highlights your position. You don't care about the 'handicapped' you care about YOU. And anything or anyone that can bend over to make YOUR life easier is what you are after. (Nice, mature response from a 54 year old by the way.) Considering your attitude in the rest of this thread, I really did expect this at some point.

You may want to put your insensitive comment that you posted from which my comment was inspired.  That's post 109, folks.  You can see it there in it's context.

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