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SardonicAss -> RE: Handicap Parking spot rant (7/12/2007 5:11:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

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ORIGINAL: SardonicAss

"Tell that to your momma. "

This comment right here highlights your position. You don't care about the 'handicapped' you care about YOU. And anything or anyone that can bend over to make YOUR life easier is what you are after. (Nice, mature response from a 54 year old by the way.) Considering your attitude in the rest of this thread, I really did expect this at some point.

You may want to put your insensitive comment that you posted from which my comment was inspired.  That's post 109, folks.  You can see it there in it's context.



You see, there's the crux of your misguided way of thinking right there. I don't "have" to be 'sensitive' to you. You're in a chair, it sucks, move on. If everyone were made to be 'sensitive' to everyone, comedians would have no job. This county has become far to PC with far too many people fearing stating what's on their minds because they don't want to offend someone. I could care less who I offend. I'm going to say what's no my mind regardless. I'm not going to placate you or sugarcoat myself just to make you feel better.




Level -> RE: Handicap Parking spot rant (7/12/2007 5:21:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SardonicAss

I could care less who I offend.


It's "couldn't", not "could". [X(]




LotusSong -> RE: Handicap Parking spot rant (7/12/2007 5:22:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SardonicAss

So here we come full circle to the crux of my point. You don't care about the handicapped. You only care about YOU. "I can use a lift, so I'm disabled and you have to give me parking and help ME even though I'm too stubborn and won't ask for it, but if I see you in my space, even with a sticker, you can BET I'm calling in your number to be sure you SHOULD have a sticker because you're not ME, afterall."

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...give me an f-ing break.



I was talking about opening a door to a building, not a car and if you see someone having difficulty. I used myself  as an example because I'm not going to speak for another. I don't think people realize how we try to retain some sort of normalcy and it's rather humiliating to keep having to ask for help when someone is standing there watching your every move when they could simply apply him/herself and help.  That's all that was.
 
And in closing.. you do appear to be one guy in need of a F#$%^&ing break..  maybe even a bj :)




Griswold -> RE: Handicap Parking spot rant (7/12/2007 5:25:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SardonicAss
I think being up close to a building helps with EVERYONE'S security, not just the handicapped. When my mom goes to work (when she's not off for 6 weeks with surgery recovery) her assigned space is like 3 blocks away from where she works. ZERO security there. I think it's rediculous that a 55+ year old woman is shuttled out to a desolate area, far from witnesses, to get into her vehicle just because she 'can walk.'


Son, allow me to explain a few very simple things to you, considering you're a little lacking in the cellular brain terminus.

There are people who have cerebral palsy.  This is a deficit that makes those who have it incapable at rather odd moments (in many cases they are fully able...and then just moments later you'd think a truck fell on their head), of covering a typical sidewalk ramp at less than 7 % slope (take your hand and lay it flat on the table...now put a pack of smokes under your fingertips...that's a 12% slope). 

It feels like Mount Olympus to them.

Parking 15 parking spots away from the front door would take you maybe 30 seconds to get to the electronic door opener.

They'll arrive in about 10 minutes.

And consider;  their muscles have atrophied over the last 5 years due to their little "inconvenience".

You'll burn possibly as many as 26 calories of energy to get to that electronic door opener.

They'll burn 350.

You might even have a smoke along the way.

If they even attempted such a thing, they'd light about 15 matches...because the first 14 would go out as if in a wind storm...and the energy required to get them to the front door has entirely exhausted them.

To body sweats.

Now, Asshole...(oh...sorry...my error...) SardonicAss....let's consider those with MS.

Similar thing, atrophied muscles, but now often in wheelchairs.

Guess what happens to people who have atrophied leg muscles when they have to cross over any number of irregular surfaces (such as sidewalk ramps, speed bumps because some really enormously large asshole has parked in their spot such that they have to park 15 stalls away)?

Any idea here bud?

Well, they have this little problem...small vibrations can cause their leg muscles to go into spasm.

That's right...these pefectly capable people that you deem absolutely able to park so far away from the spots that well thinking (and far better thinking than yourself) people who have studied these issues (and therefore, came up with this entirely nonesensical concept of providing parking spaces that minimized these types of impasses such as abrupt edges, distance...and so on)...decided that people like you shouldn't be allowed a vote in their well being.

And guess what happens when someone with MS in a wheelchair goes into spasm?

Their entire body follows suit rather abruptly.

That's right Asshole...their entire capacity to be able to operate this little device that they depend on for their entire mobility is now with absolutely no debate, suddenly made inneffective by virtue of the fact that every single muscle in their body is now, uncontrollably...in a "Charley Horse".

Guess what happens then Asswipe?

They go rolling down the parking lot towards Interstate 5 at between 10 and 35 miles per hour.

And they can't stop it.

Why?

Because there are an unusually large number of fuck for brains like yourself that seem to feel that indignence is a solution for their malady.

And guess what?

Indignance, in this scenario, is only confirmation that there will always be shitheads who think their world is somehow reflective of everyone elses.

It's not.

Now...at 28, you have a lot of good things in front of you.  I'm hopeful that these comments as well as many that came before mine and many that may come after might just open your eyes a smidge.  If not, I suspect a decent car accident (God forbid), a horrifyingly painful medical or hereditary issue that keeps you from achieving your best...might just wake you up.

If so, perhaps you'll come to your senses, gain some sensitivity...and even someday...grow above being a complete, total and absolutely, thoroughly inconsequential piece of human sewage.

However, if that doesn't turn out to be the case and you continue on in this foolish belief, rest assured, and sleep well knowing...you've expressed yourself well, and what you aspire to become, you have clearly achieved.




QuietlySeeking -> RE: Handicap Parking spot rant (7/12/2007 5:37:01 PM)

The past three summers in a row I have sported sprained ankles.  Each time it required me to be on crutches for varying lengths of time.  It was difficult to shower and get dressed, difficult to get into and out of the car, and difficult to get into the store; even with my UM in tow (who couldn't open doors for me yet), very few people stopped the 10 seconds to open the door.  It's not just about the things we see out in public....it may have taken a disabled someone several hours to get through a routine that would take an able-bodied person a half hour.  I promise LotusSong, if I'm ever there, you won't have to worry about the door.

SardonicAss: Get a pair of crutches.  Go to the Handicap Parking Spaces and use those crutches to get to the front doors of Wal-Mart.  Even in decent shape, most people will have physical problems getting to the door.  Now put 10-15# weights on each of those crutches.  That is what it is like to have mild MS (at least that's what a friend with MS tells me).

And to all the rest: Don't pull up in the Fire Lane because you are "in a hurry".  Don't park in Handicap Spaces for ANY reason unless you are handicapped or transporting someone who is.  Hold the door open for the next person because you never know whose mother/father may be behind you in need.




SardonicAss -> RE: Handicap Parking spot rant (7/12/2007 5:42:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

quote:

ORIGINAL: SardonicAss

I could care less who I offend.


It's "couldn't", not "could". [X(]


Perhaps for you, not for me.




SardonicAss -> RE: Handicap Parking spot rant (7/12/2007 5:45:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Griswold

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ORIGINAL: SardonicAss
I think being up close to a building helps with EVERYONE'S security, not just the handicapped. When my mom goes to work (when she's not off for 6 weeks with surgery recovery) her assigned space is like 3 blocks away from where she works. ZERO security there. I think it's rediculous that a 55+ year old woman is shuttled out to a desolate area, far from witnesses, to get into her vehicle just because she 'can walk.'


Son, allow me to explain a few very simple things to you, considering you're a little lacking in the cellular brain terminus.

There are people who have cerebral palsy.  This is a deficit that makes those who have it incapable at rather odd moments (in many cases they are fully able...and then just moments later you'd think a truck fell on their head), of covering a typical sidewalk ramp at less than 7 % slope (take your hand and lay it flat on the table...now put a pack of smokes under your fingertips...that's a 12% slope). 

It feels like Mount Olympus to them.

Parking 15 parking spots away from the front door would take you maybe 30 seconds to get to the electronic door opener.

They'll arrive in about 10 minutes.

And consider;  their muscles have atrophied over the last 5 years due to their little "inconvenience".

You'll burn possibly as many as 26 calories of energy to get to that electronic door opener.

They'll burn 350.

You might even have a smoke along the way.

If they even attempted such a thing, they'd light about 15 matches...because the first 14 would go out as if in a wind storm...and the energy required to get them to the front door has entirely exhausted them.

To body sweats.

Now, Asshole...(oh...sorry...my error...) SardonicAss....let's consider those with MS.

Similar thing, atrophied muscles, but now often in wheelchairs.

Guess what happens to people who have atrophied leg muscles when they have to cross over any number of irregular surfaces (such as sidewalk ramps, speed bumps because some really enormously large asshole has parked in their spot such that they have to park 15 stalls away)?

Any idea here bud?

Well, they have this little problem...small vibrations can cause their leg muscles to go into spasm.

That's right...these pefectly capable people that you deem absolutely able to park so far away from the spots that well thinking (and far better thinking than yourself) people who have studied these issues (and therefore, came up with this entirely nonesensical concept of providing parking spaces that minimized these types of impasses such as abrupt edges, distance...and so on)...decided that people like you shouldn't be allowed a vote in their well being.

And guess what happens when someone with MS in a wheelchair goes into spasm?

Their entire body follows suit rather abruptly.

That's right Asshole...their entire capacity to be able to operate this little device that they depend on for their entire mobility is now with absolutely no debate, suddenly made inneffective by virtue of the fact that every single muscle in their body is now, uncontrollably...in a "Charley Horse".

Guess what happens then Asswipe?

They go rolling down the parking lot towards Interstate 5 at between 10 and 35 miles per hour.

And they can't stop it.

Why?

Because there are an unusually large number of fuck for brains like yourself that seem to feel that indignence is a solution for their malady.

And guess what?

Indignance, in this scenario, is only confirmation that there will always be shitheads who think their world is somehow reflective of everyone elses.

It's not.

Now...at 28, you have a lot of good things in front of you.  I'm hopeful that these comments as well as many that came before mine and many that may come after might just open your eyes a smidge.  If not, I suspect a decent car accident (God forbid), a horrifyingly painful medical or hereditary issue that keeps you from achieving your best...might just wake you up.

If so, perhaps you'll come to your senses, gain some sensitivity...and even someday...grow above being a complete, total and absolutely, thoroughly inconsequential piece of human sewage.

However, if that doesn't turn out to be the case and you continue on in this foolish belief, rest assured, and sleep well knowing...you've expressed yourself well, and what you aspire to become, you have clearly achieved.



Let me first sidestep your oh so mature commentary on my mental capacity, since as I've stated, I don't care what you think.

Your stunning lil painted image only supports my point. You see, Lotussong, if you go by her past posts, would wheel over to this poor guy's car, take down his play and then report him to be sure he had the 'right' to have a sticker. Is that her call? I think not. Yeah, it'll take that poor guy 10 minutes to walk to the door....and how much of that would be spent listening to her complain that he doesn't need that space or that she'll be calling in his number to check up on him? Do disabled people really need to be put through that?

Lotussong's whole rant hasn't been about the handicapped. It's about her. She could care less about others. If ANYONE parks in HER handi-space, they can rest ASSURED she'll be checking up on them.




Level -> RE: Handicap Parking spot rant (7/12/2007 5:48:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SardonicAss

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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: SardonicAss

I could care less who I offend.


It's "couldn't", not "could". [X(]


Perhaps for you, not for me.



Ignore the rules of good grammar at your own peril.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Handicap Parking spot rant (7/12/2007 5:54:52 PM)

You know, you may not like the way SardonicAss expresses himself, but when he says that you don't seem to give a shit about the handicapped, and are really just complaining about the nuisances in your OWN life, quotes like this little blue number go a long way toward vindicating him.  I'm not going to sympathize with a handicapped person who tries to dictate who's responsible for their own handicaps and who isn't.

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

So you are saying that if a person eats themselve into such a state that they need an extrawide parking spot to get in and out of their vehicle.. they should qualify for an HC permit?




SardonicAss -> RE: Handicap Parking spot rant (7/12/2007 5:58:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

You know, you may not like the way SardonicAss expresses himself, but when he says that you don't seem to give a shit about the handicapped, and are really just complaining about the nuisances in your OWN life, quotes like this little blue number go a long way toward vindicating him.  I'm not going to sympathize with a handicapped person who tries to dictate who's responsible for their own handicaps and who isn't.

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

So you are saying that if a person eats themselve into such a state that they need an extrawide parking spot to get in and out of their vehicle.. they should qualify for an HC permit?



Well said L&M. And thanks for pointing it out. I never said 'down with handicapped people.' I simply said that she's way too militant about this topic. The fact of the matter is, life sucks for a lot of people. You deal, and you move on. I hate lazy asses that park in handi-spaces.....but I also hate the assholes with the nissan who think their pretty lil car is soooo important they have to take up two spaces. I hate this...but I don't sit around in parking lots, waiting to pouncing on those who park illegally, I have better things to do.




SardonicAss -> RE: Handicap Parking spot rant (7/12/2007 5:59:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: SardonicAss

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ORIGINAL: Level

quote:

ORIGINAL: SardonicAss

I could care less who I offend.


It's "couldn't", not "could". [X(]


Perhaps for you, not for me.



Ignore the rules of good grammar at your own peril.


Before you make assumptions, know of what you speak. It would be 'couldn't' if I truly 'couldn't' care less. I, however, could. Not much, but there's a small lil bit there that I can let go of, I'm sure.




thompsonx -> RE: Handicap Parking spot rant (7/12/2007 6:06:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SardonicAss

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ORIGINAL: kittensmailbox

just laughing at SardonicAss  


Glad you found me entertaining. :)



SardonicAss:
I believe that if she found you entertaining she would be laughing with you not at you.  It would appear that grammar is not your long suit.
I am curious though if we at CM are the sole recipients of your vituperate verbiage?  It would be my most ardent wish that you do share it with all equally.  That in so doing you might also come to enjoy LoutsSong's position
thompson




Level -> RE: Handicap Parking spot rant (7/12/2007 6:07:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SardonicAss

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

quote:

ORIGINAL: SardonicAss

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

quote:

ORIGINAL: SardonicAss

I could care less who I offend.


It's "couldn't", not "could". [X(]


Perhaps for you, not for me.



Ignore the rules of good grammar at your own peril.


Before you make assumptions, know of what you speak. It would be 'couldn't' if I truly 'couldn't' care less. I, however, could. Not much, but there's a small lil bit there that I can let go of, I'm sure.



Okay, you know you better than anyone, but the phrase was still misused. And while militant behavior can indeed be irritating, I don't see anything wrong with nailing someone breaking the law we're speaking of. Teach a jackass to park where they're supposed to, and maybe that will benefit someone needing a little help.




Griswold -> RE: Handicap Parking spot rant (7/12/2007 6:41:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SardonicAss
Lotussong's whole rant hasn't been about the handicapped. It's about her. She could care less about others. If ANYONE parks in HER handi-space, they can rest ASSURED she'll be checking up on them.



(I will as well...because too many who aren't authorized to park there, do).

When that no longer occurs, I won't bother.

And for the record assfuck...I don't have any disabilities of any kind.  I'm not overly PC, and frankly, I don't give a shit about a lot of stuff, or others communal interests.

But when someone can't fend for themselves, and when people like you still roam the Earth...I'll be on the lookout.

And I'll go out of my way, and even spend shitloads of money, to see to it that people like you get a ticket as often as I can.

And if I have any say about it...I'll be energetic about my efforts to ensure that political and legal ramifications affect your pocketbook, and if possible, your calendar, whenever possible.




SardonicAss -> RE: Handicap Parking spot rant (7/12/2007 6:49:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: SardonicAss

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ORIGINAL: kittensmailbox

just laughing at SardonicAss  


Glad you found me entertaining. :)



SardonicAss:
I believe that if she found you entertaining she would be laughing with you not at you.  It would appear that grammar is not your long suit.
I am curious though if we at CM are the sole recipients of your vituperate verbiage?  It would be my most ardent wish that you do share it with all equally.
thompson


Thompsonx....I don't think I was talking to you. Now, watch as I continue to not talk to you.




SardonicAss -> RE: Handicap Parking spot rant (7/12/2007 6:52:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Griswold

quote:

ORIGINAL: SardonicAss
Lotussong's whole rant hasn't been about the handicapped. It's about her. She could care less about others. If ANYONE parks in HER handi-space, they can rest ASSURED she'll be checking up on them.



(I will as well...because too many who aren't authorized to park there, do).

When that no longer occurs, I won't bother.

And for the record assfuck...I don't have any disabilities of any kind.  I'm not overly PC, and frankly, I don't give a shit about a lot of stuff, or others communal interests.

But when someone can't fend for themselves, and when people like you still roam the Earth...I'll be on the lookout.

And I'll go out of my way, and even spend shitloads of money, to see to it that people like you get a ticket as often as I can.

And if I have any say about it...I'll be energetic about my efforts to ensure that political and legal ramifications affect your pocketbook, and if possible, your calendar, whenever possible.


Oh no, he called me assfuck. My gosh, the sheer originality of it all.

Someone like me huh? Soooo you mean someone that's already spoken up many times about hating lazy asses who park where they shouldn't? Or do you mean people like me who see a crying, whiny rant for what it is?

Let's be real here, if you talk about parking and actually helping ANYONE who needs it, then son, we're on the same side.

However, I believe in standing up for those who truly need it. Not for those who expect special treatment while trying to deny others the same level of courtesy. I've agreed with everyone here about illegal parking numerous....numerous....numerous times.

What I don't agree with is placating someone who's mantra is "me me me me" while they keep a watchful eye over the other handicapped people because they're 'not sure they should be parking there either.'




thompsonx -> RE: Handicap Parking spot rant (7/12/2007 7:06:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SardonicAss

quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

ORIGINAL: SardonicAss

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ORIGINAL: kittensmailbox

just laughing at SardonicAss  


Glad you found me entertaining. :)



SardonicAss:
I believe that if she found you entertaining she would be laughing with you not at you.  It would appear that grammar is not your long suit.
I am curious though if we at CM are the sole recipients of your vituperate verbiage?  It would be my most ardent wish that you do share it with all equally.
thompson


Thompsonx....I don't think I was talking to you. Now, watch as I continue to not talk to you.


SardonicAss:
Lack of intellectual stamina is always a good reason to retire from a discussion. "A man's got to know his limitations" *Harry Callihan*
thompson




SardonicAss -> RE: Handicap Parking spot rant (7/12/2007 7:12:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

ORIGINAL: SardonicAss

quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

ORIGINAL: SardonicAss

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittensmailbox

just laughing at SardonicAss  


Glad you found me entertaining. :)



SardonicAss:
I believe that if she found you entertaining she would be laughing with you not at you.  It would appear that grammar is not your long suit.
I am curious though if we at CM are the sole recipients of your vituperate verbiage?  It would be my most ardent wish that you do share it with all equally.
thompson


Thompsonx....I don't think I was talking to you. Now, watch as I continue to not talk to you.


SardonicAss:
Lack of intellectual stamina is always a good reason to retire from a discussion. "A man's got to know his limitations" *Harry Callihan*
thompson


That's actually funny coming from someone like you. I haven't seen you say one intelligent thing since this thread was started. Nice try though. I did smile from that.




Sinergy -> RE: Handicap Parking spot rant (7/12/2007 7:28:06 PM)

 

I had a handicap once.  I never applied for a permit because I was too stubborn and pigheaded about making my own recovery that I forced myself then (still do) to park in another Zip code and walk to the store.  I am not suggesting this is the way people deal with whatever lemons life dealt them.  It is how I dealt with mine.  I am one of those strange people who thinks that the only thing which grows down is a plant.  I feel I either work to be more tomorrow than one is today, or I will end up less tomorrow.

I know people who go out and get their doctors to write them a note for a handicapped spot.  I know people who fell down at work and are out on federal disability for years because work is too hard for them after their injury.  I dont say anything when we are sparring at practice.  I just smile and nod.

I know people with MS.  I know people with serious injuries which make every moment of their waking life a painful nightmare.  A friend I work with down at the harbor was crushed by a tractor and a wall.  He was put back together, sort of.  Good days he can go to work, although happily he doesnt try to drive heavy equipment under morphine.  Bad days he cannot get out of bed and cries from sun-up to sun-down from the pain.

To respond to what people have been posting.  I tend to think there is a level of (almost) sociopathic narcissism afflicting people who use handicapped parking spaces when they could just walk an extra 40 feet to the door.  I think there is something similar for those who appoint themselves the moral guardians of the parking space.  I dont really think it is my place to judge whether people are truly handicapped, whether people who are not handicapped should be thrown in jail for parking there, to be the Handicapped Spot Police, etc.

What I can do is use self-discipline and NOT use something I do not deserve to have access to.

Just me, etc.

Sinergy




LotusSong -> RE: Handicap Parking spot rant (7/12/2007 9:42:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: QuietlySeeking

The past three summers in a row I have sported sprained ankles.  Each time it required me to be on crutches for varying lengths of time.  It was difficult to shower and get dressed, difficult to get into and out of the car, and difficult to get into the store; even with my UM in tow (who couldn't open doors for me yet), very few people stopped the 10 seconds to open the door.  It's not just about the things we see out in public....it may have taken a disabled someone several hours to get through a routine that would take an able-bodied person a half hour.  I promise LotusSong, if I'm ever there, you won't have to worry about the door.


You either. :)  If I go through a door first and someone, able-bodied or not is following behind me, I hold the door for THEM (on my good days).  I'm a firm believfer in what comes around goes around :)  And also its because I'm thankful for those that have done it for me in the past.

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SardonicAss: Get a pair of crutches.  Go to the Handicap Parking Spaces and use those crutches to get to the front doors of Wal-Mart.  Even in decent shape, most people will have physical problems getting to the door.  Now put 10-15# weights on each of those crutches.  That is what it is like to have mild MS (at least that's what a friend with MS tells me).


Yup.  Like walking through mud with lead weights.

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And to all the rest: Don't pull up in the Fire Lane because you are "in a hurry".  Don't park in Handicap Spaces for ANY reason unless you are handicapped or transporting someone who is.  Hold the door open for the next person because you never know whose mother/father may be behind you in need.






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