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Owner59 -> RE: A Hypocrite Exposed (7/11/2007 8:12:14 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
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So rather,they`ll attack his integrity(a laugh coming from a republican),or his looks,patriotism(again,a laugh,coming from a republican) or anything other then his positions.
Well if nothing else, this response serves as proof of the religious nature of the advocates.
The post was about hypocrisy. The debate about health care is ongoing and should continue. There have been legitimate points made in this thread on both sides of the issue. I'll make one more.
Anyone, regardless of his lack of health insurance or money can walk in, crawl, or be brought into any hospital emergency room and will receive treatment. How good or bad it is depends on the location - I wouldn't recommend doing it at King in LA but it stands as a pragmatic fact. Many people do indeed use it as a "free clinic"
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That`s a good point,b/c an ER makes a poor clinic.You can`t really get proper screening(one of the best cost savers,btw),or after care(not the BD/SM kind),,or drugs or the kind of health care the insured get,not even close.True,an ER must treat the uninsured for free,but you gotta get pretty sick to get to that point.For us (the tax payer)using an ER as health care for the poor,is penny wise,and pound foolish.The money saver here, is prevention and early intervention.Another point,aside of saving tons of money,is the fact that the cost of care given to the uninsured is born by the state and other health insurance policy members.Someone pays,one ways or the other.The point is that health care is given one way or the other,and it`s payed for, one way or the other.The core idea is that universal insurance coverage will save more money then it cost.Medicare is and has been an efficient way to deliver health care to all seniors who need it.More efficient then private sector health care providers.Can we at least have an honest look,to see if there is a better way?
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. If you doubt that fact, feel free to visit any emergency ward on any given night in LA County and you'll be sure to see people with problems ranging from colds to gun shot wounds awaiting treatment with no insurance or ability to pay. It is a law that if they require treatment they will receive it - proof of legal residency or citizenship NOT required.
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I was in an ER and spent 7000 thousand dollars of their money.The surgen spent 3 hours on her feet,sewing me up.The ex-rays,the other imaging,etc. added up.I told them I was w/out coverage,and never got a bill.I also didn`t own a home at the time,so who knows?,They might have gone after that,especially if the costs were higher?
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Whether it's reduced fossil fuel proponents flying private jets or Mike Moore telling CNN to ask "tough questions" without answering them; hypocrisy should be exposed.
Calling someone "republican" who points this out, especially on these boards where "republican" is almost the equivalent of the "n" word, indicates there may be a problem with the truth of the hypocrisy accusation.
If you have such a strong argument and fact irrefutable all it takes it standing by them. Seeking apologies, accusing naysayers of lying, or simply being a bit out of control doesn't portray confidence.
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You appear to be against Mr. Moor and his movie but the data you give to support your position seems to do just the opposite.
Thompson,
Not against Mr. Moore for his movie, or even his agenda. I enjoy his perspective and his adamacy without need to agree. Each side can use statistics to "prove" their side of the argument. I apologize for not being as thorough as usual in checking that the sources showed what I thought they did. And I did not validate or even concern myself with the statistic or the numbers used. I saw the report first hand and tried to do it by memory. Youtube seemed to indicate this was the debate with the CNN Doctor. I'm sure you can find it, but if not Mike's site has all the clips: http://www.michaelmoore.com/
My point is directed to his hypocrisy. Although I see a need for health-care reform, both as an employer paying 100% of the cost for my employees and as a citizen seeing a need for cheaper and easier access; I did not have health care in mind as a topic. I stand by the points raised concerning the hypocrisy of the man - not the message.
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One question, Mercnbeth,have you seen the film?Are you speaking from knowledge,or here-say,in regards to the film?
To say that Moore was hypocritical on CNN, is only an opinion.My take was that Moore bitch slapped the news men there,for being lame assed,lazy,un-curious excuses for journalists(which most are).He also was talking about the press in general.
Moore is fighting and arguing for us,and against the up-trodden, moneyed interests,who are squeezing the middle class dry.Who`s side are you on?Let the market of ideas and the debate,sort this out.Calling people hypocrites especially when they`re not,doesn`t add the the debate.
Peace
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