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Mercnbeth -> RE: A Hypocrite Exposed (7/12/2007 10:49:39 AM)
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Clearly we are in need of some more money spent on education as well...
Caius,
You make a great point.
How about this for a 'conspiracy theory' the dumbing down of the US was deliberate. This thread is a great example. Instead of addressing the hypocrisy of the man in question it becomes a discussion about what side of liberal or conservatism, capitalism and socialism, right versus left is correct. Not only correct but absolute. Of course any point made seen coming from an opposing viewpoint is prejudicial and skewed.
Someone points out the "softball questions" posed by planted reporter. So if the press didn't ask the question it is because of White House pressure, not because of the press personal. Blame the White House. The same press is taken to task by Mr. Moore for asking questions he didn't want or couldn't answer. He didn't answer and people defend him for doing so. The prejudice of the position a person had prior to hearing the interview determined what they would think of the press. Why bother to listen?
Of course there is the required name calling from the more juvenile. "Right wing cretins" discounts the need to have any intelligent argument which considers economics and bureaucratic cost. Only the right wing could be so insensitive and stupid not to...(fill in the blank).
Taxes and bureaucratic costs? Not one person considered that most of us pay double, or triple, tax on our earnings. After the Fed, State, City take the income tax you think you're done? Your 'net' income is taxes with every penny you spend, unless you are fortunate enough to live somewhere without sales tax. However in those places your net still pays more taxes every time you buy gas. You pay your real estate and/or other property taxes with post taxed net earnings. 35%, 40%, 60%? There used to be an announcement every year on the date it was estimated that you worked 100% for taxes. It used to be sometime around April 15th. I haven't seen that news item in a few years but my guess is we are well into May if not June. Manage to save anything after all that and earn interest or investment income from it - and you are taxes on that too.
Then again the solutions are not simple. A flat tax of say 15% or even a consumption tax of 10% would cover 100% of the government spending. Eliminating all tax returns and the IRS, all 'BIG' and small corporate and private deductions, a simple system equal and fair. It can't be done. Eliminate the mortgage interest deduction and housing prices would plummet. Many of those working and served from tax deductible charitable organizations would be out of work and/or without the benefits coming from that charity. Eliminating the millions of people employed and supporting the tax industry would bankrupt the economy.
Getting back to the health care issue, does anyone know how health insurance became a part of US society and why?
It's not important. Its better to congratulate posts that agree with you and condemn and label people and posts who disagree. The "Illuminate" has succeeded in creating a society that responds to buzz words and gets in line behind the poster child representing them, wearing blinders to any other position. Keep the tally on either side as close as possible to 50% and using rhetoric alone you can distract the masses while accomplishing the agenda.
Every so often there is a real test of the system, such as what we saw regarding amnesty for illegal aliens. The distraction was presenting a poster of the poor disenfranchise workers coming here to do work that "Americans won't do" seeking only to better themselves and their families. Behind the poster, was a boatload of industries represented by PAC's paying off politicians, wanting to insure a cheap labor pool. I was surprised they didn't pull it off. The attempt should give everyone a clue of how the government operates. A failed Republican President, and a Democratic Majority Congress elected with a mandate to change the status quo, joined forces to push for this on behalf of their industry bosses. They pushed for this amnesty program with much more fervor than a ending the Iraq war. But although change was what people thought they were voting for, the reality was they only changed personal. Of course there are the justifiers and rationalizers who now claim the slight majority still doesn't have the power to effect change. Well, if they can't change with a minority or a majority when is change possible?
Think about it.
However, we've been 'educated' not to think and only to follow. Many seem to have a religious need to be behind one position, one philosophy, one political party and by definition. Following the "one true" whatever by definition requires a religious zealotry that any other position is wrong. Any failure of "our side" to produce is not their fault but caused by something else - some other factor. Excuse who you are in agreement and never accept any accomplishment or idea from anyone representing the other side. That makes for a very convenient pool of voters and pretty much insures continuation of the status quo. Anyone out their really have that as a goal or see that as a good idea?
Pointing out the hypocrisy of Michael Moore doesn't speak to any other issue other than the hypocrisy of Michael Moore. I ask of him, giving him all the credit for disclosure and the opening of debate, the same thing he asks of the people he now accuses of being liars and frauds. His own words and reactions label him - not me. At issue is the pragmatic choice to blindly accept or challenge and demand real change.
We've become, in many instances, we are as far as the government is concerned, both the "meat" and "pet" reference made in Moore's Roger & Me. Cattle or sheep depending on you preference following the herd, but still ending up at the end slaughtered, milked, or sheared.
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