Termyn8or
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Mercnbeth, didn't you realize what was going to happen if you posted something like this ? By tomorrow there will probably be 20 pages. It took me awhile, but I am here now. I skimmed through, but I did not jump through. I am now prepared to render an opinion, although it is more on topic I think than that which has been posted lately.
Anyway, I make it a point to never find out what "left wing" and "right wing" means. I care no more about the democrats and republicans than I do about the whigs and the tories. It simply does not matter to me.
The same is not true of Moore. He has a strong democrat/liberal/whichever wing that is, bias. Part of his bias though is against the multinationals, the big corporations raping this country every day. That part of his bias I share. The rich are getting way too richer way too quicker. With our government it is as if open season has been declared on the American consumer.
Moore is right, actually dead on with some things in 911, a few other things, and though I haven't seen Sicko, I will. But I am here to say that I know he is biased. And politically, NOT the same way I am. I am not in a wing. I am not on the vessel when it comes to politics. I step back and I see things. Sometimes the bigger picture. There shouldn't be wings.
Moore is wrong. I would not trust any solution he would come up with. First of all the healthcare is really so crappy in some instances the bills they write should be disputable. And I really would rather opt out anyway, because I don't take from the government.
Now we have another fallacy, that people die simply because of lack of coverage. There are hospitals that recieved money for expansion or eminent domain advantages in exchange for providing low cost, or even no cost health coverage for the poor. I know a guy hasn't worked for almost a year, between some strife and some illness, they say that he is likely not to have to pay anything.
When my Dad was working everything was ala carte, full price, but on retirement now he gets his prescriptions for like $5 instead of $75. Procedures, operations all that, he pays a small percentage. That is because he goes to a publicly (partially) funded hospital. It's based on income, and he fixed it so he would have no house or car payments and can get by. He has enough to persue his hobbies and live pretty well. But he paid in all those years.
But that is not enough for some. When you look at a hospital bill what do you see ? Large numbers. Why ? Business is business. And that is precisely the problem, health care should have never become big business. Let me splain something about business.
You think the doctors and nurses get all that money ? Think again. There are layers and layers of skimmers, leaches, parasites on that gravy train. Layers of upper and middle management that make more than the ones who actually do the work. Stockholders, the legal staff. It is ridiculous. And when upper management fucks up, they get golden parachutes when they are fired. Where do you think this money comes from ?
The whole corporate structure is wrong, and that is why we are losing. Everything corporate is topheavy. And it might fall too, don't forget that.
And the greed is there. A few years ago the local public hospital tried to go private. To the gov's credit in this case they nixed it. They had given them enourmous help in expansion, damnear free will use of eminent domain, tax breaks out the ass. No fucking way should they be allowed to go private now. That would be a flagrant giveaway of our tax dollars, and even the controlled media might report it.
See that's how they think. the only thing they think abiout is getting there, staying there, and profiting on their position. People don't notice why. Moore can expose some of that but he stops short.
I fully believe that, in a newspaper newsroom, if a writer writes a story critical of a major advertiser, he will get called on the carpet. I could see it now "Boy, have a look at this" hands him a full page ad for a store, and says "you know how much we are getting for that ?". So if he tells him the truth, like in the Sunday paper, that a full page ad goes for like $115,000 the kid starts to understand.
He starts to understand the difference between principles and food. So it's either rewrite it, forget it and write about something else or we just drop it or bury it in the middle.
Another question, why do local utilities which have a monopoly run ads on TV. Those are being payed for with the money we paid them. They are wasting it. On it's face it seems foolish, very much so but over the years I have figured it out. They are buying control. They are buying control of the media that is now way beyond the commoner's reach.
So I presented my opinion, and in MY opinion, my opinion was fair and balanced. If it is not in YOUR opinion, then I guess we disagree. I have no bone to pick with Moore, he presented it, and I think he called it how he saw it, I just don't agree with the way he saw it.
If you were he, and had found convincing evidence of a massive fraud, and found the normal media unwilling to make it public, and had alot of money what would you do ? I would study their way of manipulation and use the same tactics to some extent, or at least understand the tactics and how to defuse them.
Moore didn't do that. You can hear a desperation in his voice, he is not very strong in the mind. Even though the situation is desperate, that should not be communicated through vocal tones.
Moore never struck me as leader material, but I bet he wants the chance really badly. His perfomance on that interview was awful. He made a few points but he tangentalized right away, fuck that. If I were he I would up and say "OK, tell you what, a few figures might have been off, but what points exactly are at issue here, right now ?".
But then Moore is not quite right. Some of his responses were almost outbursts it seemed. Very counterproductive. The guy should've said "Hey, fuck you, we gave you airtime ". And he should've stayed on subject. Let his fans remember what happened three years ago and just file it. Moore made it almost antagonistic.
He fucked up. He is down a notch in my book. I like Alex Jones's style better anyway.
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