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KnightofMists -> The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/12/2007 6:15:44 PM)

Well.. I think if we been on the online forums enough.. we see all sort of stupid questions.   But are they really stupid?

I find it difficult to relate to newbies in alot of ways.  The biggest reason is my path to learning was so different than so many people that I have come across.

I started learning years ago with my girl alandra.  Back then, we didn't even know a lifestyle of this existed.  We focused on us and learning what was best for us.. both in the concept of the authority structure and our sexuality.  We didn't go to online, books, communities to learn.  We discovered within ourselves.  By the time we discovered the existence of the lifestyle we had a pretty natural flowing power dynamic, our sexual life was pretty damn good to.  Infact, we went out looking to bring another one into our life.. and stumbled into the lifestyle community.   I wouldn't say that I felt at home or anything like that... but did see that there was some like-minded individuals.   In short, alandra and I had alot going for us when we came into the lifestyle and never felt a need to belong to it.  Even now.. I am much more interested in making quality friendships than feeling like I belong to some lifestyle group.

But, that really isn't the case it seems for alot of people.  Alot of people actually come into the lifestyle as singles, and more often than not.. with some baggage to deal with.   They seem to be longing to belong.  And alot of questions that they ask seems to be rooted in a fear/desire not to screwup, so they can feel they belong.  So.. are they really stupid questions.. maybe it's just not the right questions they need to ask.  Maybe.. they just want to learn so they can belong and/or find what they are looking for

Of course this is just one possibility of why we see these "UM stupid questions"  which I wonder.. are they really that stupid? 




julietsierra -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/12/2007 6:32:25 PM)

How fortunate for you that you had someone you could "belong with" before you came into this lifestyle. That's a rarity.

How nice that for all of us who were single when we discovered this - for those of us who, without the support of someone who cared for us, learned with us, loved us, that due to our "baggage," we were only doing this because we wanted to "belong" as well.

How nice that all of us who were single when we discovered this about ourselves seem to be reduced in your post to the image of grasping and dysfunctional grabbing at the little brass ring of "coupledom" that you enjoy and just can't seem to "ask the right questions."

I wonder how you'd have fared if that had been your journey as well. But you must feel very enlightened that you didn't have to navigate the waters of lies and ruses and misinformation, desire and flat out need with no one to learn from or with along the way.

This may not be the way you're thinking, but it sure comes off that way in your post.

juliet




Rover -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/12/2007 6:39:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

Of course this is just one possibility of why we see these "UM stupid questions"  which I wonder.. are they really that stupid? 


Questions are neither stupid nor brilliant.  People are.  And in the course of my observations, I've seen quite a few more folks of dubious intelligence offering replies than asking questions. 
 
John




PairOfDimes -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/12/2007 6:42:23 PM)

I don't know, Knight. My path to BDSM was somewhat anarchic and empirical, somewhat like yours it seems. While my way wasn't based in a mature, cooperative intimate relationship--that came chronologically after "discovering" kink--"finding" BDSM was, for me, a process of realizing that there were words (well, letters) for what I had been doing privately for some time.

I tend to think that there are not stupid questions, but there are foolish ways of posing answering questions--in other words, it's easy to succumb to inefficiency in inquiry or intellectual laziness. When I see questions like, "I've realized I'm into BDSM, how do I find out what I like?" I think the questions are perhaps poorly posed, and a touch more thought would reveal that the authors do have some ideas about what they like--otherwise, how would they know that they might be attracted to BDSM?

It's true that many people new to BDSM could stand to be told that they get to have the kinds of BDSM relationships they want, and that while it's useful to figure out what other kinky people call the activities and relational styles they like, they don't have to imitate their fellows. Heck, shortly after I learned that there were letters for those weird sex acts I had been doing, I worried that there was a proper way and that I needed to learn the proper way to do things. Now, to an extent, this was true--there were more effective and safer ways to do what I wanted to do, and learning those helped--but some of the habits I regarded as "correct kink" didn't make my BDSM more rewarding, and I think I and my partners would have been better served if I had been a touch choosier about habits to imitate and less interested in creating false legitimacy for some delightfully illegitimate activities.

So, newbies: you get to do BDSM how you want--and, for that matter, you get to do sex, hobbies, and relationships how you want. Some of you could stand to think a little more about how and to whom you should pose questions, but by all means, ask questions, and remember to consider the answers critically. Learning about BDSM before you do it, you'll most likely go through less Neosporin and perhaps less emotional confusion than I did, and I wish you as much giggling and falling over one another experimentation as I enjoyed (and enjoy!)




KatyLied -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/12/2007 6:43:38 PM)

quote:

I've seen quite a few more folks of dubious intelligence offering replies than asking questions. 


That's what makes this place so entertaining....




KnightofMists -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/12/2007 6:44:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rover

 And in the course of my observations, I've seen quite a few more folks of dubious intelligence offering replies than asking questions. 
 
John


nods...  I concur with this... yeah the odd time the question is rather um "questionable"... but it seems that there is alot more questionable answers than questionable questions.




beargonewild -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/12/2007 6:44:56 PM)

At firsy glance, these questions do appear to be "stupid" or even redundant. Yet for a newbie who is tentatively entering this world of BDSM, they are very unsure of themselves and are fearful thier question could be considered stupid.

I too, have avoided asking many questions when I first gtahered the courage to actually walk this path and I still recall how nervous, fearful, insecure, and very wary of asking anyone what a label meant or what is ______play. We who are/were newbies, have an inate fear of being ridculed and especially regarding something we have a great interest in that is considered by the general population as to kinky or too weird.

Being told thundreds of times over the years that no question is stupid, I try to keep this in mind when I read a question posed by a person. I remind myself constantly that I too, was in their shoes at one time and that helps me keep an open frame of mind. My journey into this realm of BDSM took me through many different paths along the way. My path is unique to myself in the same way your path is unique for you. Yet in the overall scheme of things, we travel the same general path. So when I look beyond all the layers, I have to honesty answer that there are no stupid questions asked.




Lordandmaster -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/12/2007 6:46:34 PM)

Eh.  I know what you mean, but some questions really are fucking stupid.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rover

Questions are neither stupid nor brilliant.  People are.




TemptingNviceSub -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/12/2007 6:47:23 PM)

Ach! I know we all have been told that there is no such thing as a stupid question. But I also sometimes think people ask questions that I find stupid because they are trying to get a certain reaction going..to create furor so to speak, so actually in some instances there are stupid questions, but deliberately so..Now you have questions that are ignorant, those questions may be viewed differently. It just comes down to the sincerity factor...You were lucky that you and Alandra developed together and created your life the way you wished and thus may of had no need for "community" interaction..your "community" was each other..:0)..I feel many wish to "belong" simply because from that "belonging" will come the learning from others, their experiences and struggles, the meeting of a potential mate...and thus their own emerging dynamic...Tempting




KMsAngel -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/12/2007 6:47:51 PM)

er, that's not quite the impression i got out of the OP. Contemplative more like. and yes, a lot of us newbies do go into this single. takes all kinds. some of us have baggage, but then some of us are also a lot older. shedding the baggage and learning by reading first suits some of us. CERTAINLY helps us look out for the "mistakes" or the flags to watch out for when we do wade in. i appreciate the newbie "UM, stupid question" posts as much as i do the more experienced ones.




KnightofMists -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/12/2007 6:51:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PairOfDimes

I don't know, Knight. My path to BDSM was somewhat anarchic and empirical, somewhat like yours it seems. While my way wasn't based in a mature, cooperative intimate relationship--that came chronologically after "discovering" kink--"finding" BDSM was, for me, a process of realizing that there were words (well, letters) for what I had been doing privately for some time.


nods... because of that... do you feel out of touch... I never had to work for it so to speak... there are things that I just don't appreciate becaues of it.

quote:


I tend to think that there are not stupid questions, but there are foolish ways of posing answering questions--in other words, it's easy to succumb to inefficiency in inquiry or intellectual laziness. When I see questions like, "I've realized I'm into BDSM, how do I find out what I like?" I think the questions are perhaps poorly posed, and a touch more thought would reveal that the authors do have some ideas about what they like--otherwise, how would they know that they might be attracted to BDSM?


nods.. yeah.... laziness in expression is not unheard of... I think we all have been guilty of it in someway or another.

quote:


It's true that many people new to BDSM could stand to be told that they get to have the kinds of BDSM relationships they want, and that while it's useful to figure out what other kinky people call the activities and relational styles they like, they don't have to imitate their fellows. Heck, shortly after I learned that there were letters for those weird sex acts I had been doing, I worried that there was a proper way and that I needed to learn the proper way to do things. Now, to an extent, this was true--there were more effective and safer ways to do what I wanted to do, and learning those helped--but some of the habits I regarded as "correct kink" didn't make my BDSM more rewarding, and I think I and my partners would have been better served if I had been a touch choosier about habits to imitate and less interested in creating false legitimacy for some delightfully illegitimate activities.


nods... yeah... I can relate to this.

quote:


So, newbies: you get to do BDSM how you want--and, for that matter, you get to do sex, hobbies, and relationships how you want. Some of you could stand to think a little more about how and to whom you should pose questions, but by all means, ask questions, and remember to consider the answers critically. Learning about BDSM before you do it, you'll most likely go through less Neosporin and perhaps less emotional confusion than I did, and I wish you as much giggling and falling over one another experimentation as I enjoyed (and enjoy!)


ditto




KnightofMists -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/12/2007 6:53:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

quote:

I've seen quite a few more folks of dubious intelligence offering replies than asking questions. 


That's what makes this place so entertaining....



yeah... this is true  lol... But... I think there is alot of great people out there that want to learn too.  To Rover's point.. I think the so-called teachers make it harder for the students.




KnightofMists -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/12/2007 6:58:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TemptingNviceSub

Ach! I know we all have been told that there is no such thing as a stupid question. But I also sometimes think people ask questions that I find stupid because they are trying to get a certain reaction going..to create furor so to speak, so actually in some instances there are stupid questions, but deliberately so..Now you have questions that are ignorant, those questions may be viewed differently. It just comes down to the sincerity factor...You were lucky that you and Alandra developed together and created your life the way you wished and thus may of had no need for "community" interaction..your "community" was each other..:0)..I feel many wish to "belong" simply because from that "belonging" will come the learning from others, their experiences and struggles, the meeting of a potential mate...and thus their own emerging dynamic...Tempting


nods.. I agree with what you saying here... Is there more Lazy Questions as compared to Stupid Questions?

nods.. yeah.. I was extremely lucky... maybe.  there is something to be gained for being in a community and as I taste different places here and there... I am learning what can be gained for me... and what I an contribute as well.




Level -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/12/2007 7:00:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KMsAngel

er, that's not quite the impression i got out of the OP. Contemplative more like.


That's how it sounded to me, as well.
 
I see questions that I do think are stupid, but that's subjective, isn't it? I can't determine for someone else if they get something beneficial out of a question I find moronic.




beargonewild -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/12/2007 7:01:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PairOfDimes

I tend to think that there are not stupid questions, but there are foolish ways of posing answering questions--in other words, it's easy to succumb to inefficiency in inquiry or intellectual laziness. When I see questions like, "I've realized I'm into BDSM, how do I find out what I like?" I think the questions are perhaps poorly posed, and a touch more thought would reveal that the authors do have some ideas about what they like--otherwise, how would they know that they might be attracted to BDSM?



It's true that many don't phrase a question appropiately. Yet I have to consider the possibility that the person isn't as well versed in grammer on the same level as many others are. I can't be quick to conclude they may be intellectualy lazy, I have to use a good sense of judgement and understanding of the person behind asking the questiion. Yes it does get irritating, yet one has to understand that the person asking is at least trying to reach out to have thier question asked to help clear their own confusion.




MistressSassy66 -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/12/2007 7:03:11 PM)

Myself and Punk came into the Lifestyle after being together for a few years.
The "roles" We have had have changed over time to suit what fits Us best.

I like meeting P/people who are like minded not to feel like I belong
but so I can discuss feelings,thoughts,ideas and have that person understand the dynamics of  what I really mean.

A teacher once told Me the only stupid question is the one never asked.
I firmly believe that to be true.

Maybe its the way questions get asked sometimes...I know that can affect
the way I look it and whether I choose to answer it.

But then I remind Myself not everyone knows how to put their thoughts down on paper or in a forum,so I try to be objective to that.

I vote for its something else.




KnightofMists -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/12/2007 7:07:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: beargonewild

At firsy glance, these questions do appear to be "stupid" or even redundant. Yet for a newbie who is tentatively entering this world of BDSM, they are very unsure of themselves and are fearful thier question could be considered stupid.


nods.. intellectually this makes prefect sense to me... but yet.. I can't personally relate to the mindset.  So many emotions for such individuals... and... as someone that has abit of experience... being able to appreciate this alittle more.. maybe I can help them alittle more too.

quote:


I too, have avoided asking many questions when I first gtahered the courage to actually walk this path and I still recall how nervous, fearful, insecure, and very wary of asking anyone what a label meant or what is ______play. We who are/were newbies, have an inate fear of being ridculed and especially regarding something we have a great interest in that is considered by the general population as to kinky or too weird.


Nods...

quote:


Being told thundreds of times over the years that no question is stupid, I try to keep this in mind when I read a question posed by a person. I remind myself constantly that I too, was in their shoes at one time and that helps me keep an open frame of mind. My journey into this realm of BDSM took me through many different paths along the way. My path is unique to myself in the same way your path is unique for you. Yet in the overall scheme of things, we travel the same general path. So when I look beyond all the layers, I have to honesty answer that there are no stupid questions asked.


see. that is a hard thing for me... I think questions can be stupid.... but because of what has been said here.. maybe they are more lazy questions than stupid... and then maybe do to a lack of experience.. they don't have the Vocab to ask the questions in the first place. 




KnightofMists -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/12/2007 7:09:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Eh.  I know what you mean, but some questions really are fucking stupid.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rover

Questions are neither stupid nor brilliant.  People are.



That has been my mindset as well... however... it is one that I am trying to change... shall we say not to shoot as fast as I have in the past...




KMsAngel -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/12/2007 7:09:04 PM)

actually i like it when the flame wars happen too. for example, the racist kevin. the opinons and attitudes of some people i've been following (not the stalkerish sort of following!) were often times as revealing as his small minded comments.




KnightofMists -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/12/2007 7:13:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KMsAngel

actually i like it when the flame wars happen too. for example, the racist kevin. the opinons and attitudes of some people i've been following (not the stalkerish sort of following!) were often times as revealing as his small minded comments.


nods... it can have it's uses... however... I think we (at least I do) might exert more energy into them than the benefit gained.




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