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lateralist1 -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/13/2007 9:28:13 AM)

The world of BDSM is perhaps the most diverse that I have ever encountered.
Not only in what we talk about and do but in the differences between the people who enjoy it.
A BDSM friend of mine explained it to me like this.
We have a cake. When we cut it we slice down through the layers not across the top or bottom or through the middle.
I think the analogy is a good one.
We have all layers represented.
From lots of different backgrounds and cultures.
To communicate with one another well is difficult.
We use words to communicate and everyone has a slightly different or very different idea of what individual words mean.
I was shocked by the word retard but then I have been working within a Social Services Department or an Education Department all my adult life.So of course I was.
We can all be intolerant at times. Some more than others. But I think most people who post on these boards really do want to help answer questions. I don't want to be told to look it up and see what the experts have to say because I don't trust experts. I've been in Education too long. And anyway I want your opinions. Your the experts to me the people who live this lifestyle.
So if I ever find out how to post and then how to find it again later then I might just ask a very stupid question. Please be patient with me.




SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/13/2007 9:30:47 AM)

i apologize for getting off topic.....and my previous response was posted before seeing the simmer down.

i  know i see questions on here that to me, seem stupid.  most of them are when folks question the red flags they are seeing thrown up.....

then i think how lucky i am to have the confidence to be ok with decisions i make, and go forward with no regrets.....and i try to remember not everyone is like that.

it also irks me to see an alleged master asking for advice on how to punish....i was punished once, and it was clear and immediate.....leaving no doubt bout the purpose of it......had he needed days to ask on a website what to do, well, ill sweetly say i wouldnt have been nearly as impressed......




sublizzie -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/13/2007 9:49:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists
They seem to be longing to belong.  And alot of questions that they ask seems to be rooted in a fear/desire not to screwup, so they can feel they belong.  So.. are they really stupid questions.. maybe it's just not the right questions they need to ask.  Maybe.. they just want to learn so they can belong and/or find what they are looking for

Of course this is just one possibility of why we see these "UM stupid questions"  which I wonder.. are they really that stupid? 


One of our basic emotional needs is to belong. Every community has it's own unique culture whether you are talking about countries, geographical areas, religious organizations, or our "lifestyle" community. People who are looking to belong to the newest community they'd decided to join are looking for guidelines on how to belong to that community. So, as we join, we ask stupid questions because we don't know any better. It's like a 3-year-old asking "why" all the time. Newbies have no clue the right questions to ask because they have no clue what this new culture/community is all about. So they ask, which when you think about it, shows a great deal of wisdom. Once we've been in this for a while we realize the rules aren't really all that different from the general "vanilla" rules, but you don't know that coming in because a lot of the rules *are* different.

There are stupid people who come on here asking stupid questions just to be irritating. That's different. But sincere, newbie frenzied people are probably doing the exact right thing to ask. Too bad so many like to blast them with hurtful answers instead of helping them.




Lewcifer -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/13/2007 9:53:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lateralist1
The world of BDSM is perhaps the most diverse that I have ever encountered.


You've obviously never studied the universe or its subset, the Earth, or its subset, mankind.





SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/13/2007 9:54:34 AM)

i know i have posted some questions that may have seemed stupid.....but doing a search through the 10 gazillion previous threads didnt help me.....many that responded in long ago threads, i have no knowledge of, and im more comfortable listening to folks i have watched on here, and how they reply......

i take what i want and leave the rest....but i will give more weight to someone that i feel "gets it" and especially if they have impressed me with their answers to other folks questions...




lateralist1 -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/13/2007 10:23:16 AM)

Lewcifer did you misunderstand me on purpose or was I not communicating well enough?
Your comment is a good illustration of what I was talking about though.
By 'the world of ' I meant the group of people who enjoy BDSM.
But no I have never studied the universe, the earth, or mankind.
I have studied very small subsets of mankind though.
But I'm not here to study. I'm here to find a BDSM partner and hopefully some BDSM friends. I stopped studying a long time ago. I hope I'll never stop learning though.




MasterMagnus321 -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/13/2007 10:27:27 AM)

I submit that folks with experience and knowledge need to share the wealth with those who are inquisitive, and driven enough to ask; I believe we must "give it away to keep it," if you follow my meaning.  That kind of "intercourse" will strengthen our community...




BitaTruble -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/13/2007 11:02:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

Well.. I think if we been on the online forums enough.. we see all sort of stupid questions.   But are they really stupid?



I don't think so. Generally speaking, people are pretty much bombarded with how 'sick' it is to express desires such as those found in BDSM, it's wrong, evil, demented, dark - what have you so when someone takes that first step across the threshold, it can be with trepidation as they expect BEM's and to be slimmed (or don't know what to expect!) [;)] Then they found out that the BEM's are just like everyone else.. in fact, are everyone else (IE - human, just like them) and it's not so bad and things get a little more comfortable for them. I tend to answer questions of newbies as if they are sincere in their desire for the knowledge and once in a while, if someone needs to be hit upside the head to knock some sense into them, that's not a problem either, though I think LA is better at it than myself. ::chuckles::

Celeste

PS: For those unsure of what, exactly a BEM is, it stands for Bug-Eyed Monster. [;)]




Lewcifer -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/13/2007 11:08:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lateralist1
Lewcifer did you misunderstand me on purpose or was I not communicating well enough? ...snip...  But I'm not here to study. I'm here to find a BDSM partner and hopefully some BDSM friends. I stopped studying a long time ago. I hope I'll never stop learning though.


I did fail to pay close attention to the context of Y/your post.  I apologize for the irrelevant (and possibly irreverent) response.

On another note, I understand what Y/you mean when Y/you say [paraphrased]:  "I've stopped studying, but have not stopped learning."  I'm right there with Y/you!






robertolapiedra -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/13/2007 11:13:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

"Well.. I think if we been on the online forums enough.. we see all sort of stupid questions.   But are they really stupid?"

"I find it difficult to relate to newbies in alot of ways."

"Of course this is just one possibility of why we see these "UM stupid questions"  which I wonder.. are they really that stupid?"


Hello KnightofMists. I find that "stupid" questions do not make for "small" threads in general. There are no "stupid" questions as they at least invite the posters to "explain" why they find the question "stupid". The end result usually gives the poster a consensus of the "intelligent" information.

What annoys me is intellectual policing from the "genius" level participants. A newbie asking a negatively "percieved"  question  is normal. Can all of us say we have always asked "intelligent questions" when we were newbies? And how about "intelligent" answers as "seasoned" veterans? Is an intelligent answer a smart reply (smart ass?)? Or is it one that is helpful to the poster?

"...are they really that stupid?" No. Are we really that smart?

Let me compliment you on your intelligent questions in your post. I find it refreshing. RL.






robertolapiedra -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/13/2007 11:46:13 AM)

 
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ORIGINAL:
I come here to laugh, learn and have fun and I am not here to impress others.MzMia

Hello MzMia. Which is exactly why you (and a "few" others) impress me! RL.






spankmepink11 -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/13/2007 11:57:03 AM)

 I don't think the OP was about which methods of learning  about our individual places in the lifestyle are best, so i'll just address the stupid question issue.

Both Level and SimplyMicheal  had good points, but this paragraph  struck me as one that was worth repeating. I've always thought  that the witty little one line zingers belonged in the off topic/humor/random sections.  Thats more "chatroom" behaviour .  I kind of come to the forums to escape that type of stuff.

quote:

ORIGINAL: camille65

Instead of seeing it as possible stupid question day, I consider it more like... stupid answer day. I swear it feels like there are a few people that actually get off in some way by answering with snarky replies and I freakin hate that. Is your life so boring that you have the time to compose sarcastic or belittling comments? Or do you have them prewritten hehe.
The same questions emerges in my mind on a daily basis here, if you don't like the post/er and they are not directly posting to you then by all the little green gods why why don't you just pass over the thread?







CreativeDominant -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/13/2007 12:27:40 PM)

I think there have been several good responses on this. 

I confess to having been guilty of smart ass one-liners...though in my own defense, please let the record note that it was generally in response to someone making a humorous comment.

My time as a teaching assistant at college, my years teaching seminars to people who were in the same profession I was, my years with ums have taught me that, when asked in a genuine quest for knowledge, that there are no stupid questions. ..with exceptions.  Exceptions such as the ones Simply Michael noted.  They might be asked in a genuine quest for knowledge but they are moronic and indicative of little genuine thought process on the poster's part. 

However, I too find that certain questions raise that response in me of "Anyone should know that.  That is where my previous experience luckily kicks in and I then say to myself..."Wait a minute...not everyone should or does know it or the question would not have been asked" and those I do try to answer as seriously, with the realization it might be a newbie who is tentative anyway, as I would my own um.




LaTigresse -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/13/2007 1:15:15 PM)

Okay, as one of the common culprits of sarcastic answers I will give my thoughts on this.

First of all, I generally TRY to avoid any snarky sarcasm until I am seriously convinced that the person really is that stupid by the reaction I read to the intelligent answers they have already received. When I realize that no matter what a well meaning person writes the person posting the question is still babbling stupidity, that is when my sadistic sarcastic stuff tends to flair up.

I feel like I want to see just how really stupid they are. Poke some sharp stick at them and see what their reaction is. Watch them make an even bigger arse of themself. I find it entertaining, IF they are a big enough idiot. Unfortunately they tend to be only a momentary diversion, too predictable and boring.

Soooo, hate me if you must. Call me ugly names, show your judgemental arsiness. That tends to amuse me also. I just love rattling people's cages, forcing them to show their true colours. It is interesting to see what pops out when someone gets upset. I get to sit on this side of the computer screen and say something like "ah haaaaa, veddy interestinggggg".

What alot of people may not realize is that I do have a rather dry, tongue in cheek, sense of humour and it tends to come out as snarkiness when in fact that is not the intent.

And yes, I honestly believe that there really are some stupid ass people that aske some really stupid ass questions. I am always amazed and impressed. "wow, are you really THAT stupid?!?!"

Thank you KoM for all of your really interesting threads the last few days!




stella40 -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/13/2007 2:21:13 PM)

And what is wrong with stupid questions... or stupid people for that matter?

What have you all got against stupid people?

Please you must excuse me. It's taken me three days to read this thread as my dictionary has dropped off my table onto the floor and I keep having to look for the meanings of these long words everyone uses via Google. (I can't reach my dictionary).

Also please you must excuse my English, I'm in the UK and didn't go to school much. My teacher kept stating the obvious and calling me stupid and so I thought he was an idiot, and because he was an idiot I wouldn't learn anything so I didn't go to school. You might think this is bad but it isn't. Some of the kids who went to my school are now politicians.

I signed up to Collarme because I thought it was an Internet bank. I saw 'Create Free Account' and this strange man sitting next to me in the Internet shop (I think he was strange, he was holding his willy and I think he was trying to pee but having some difficulty because he kept breathing heavy and closing his eyes every so often and he wouldn't go to the toilet) he told me that BDSM meant Banking Designed by Someone Mad. But I think he was stupid too because he couldn't explain to me where to pay money into the account - all he kept doing was looking at these pictures of women and trying to pee. It took me a long time (I can't remember how long, I don't have that many fingers) to write a profile and put some pictures onto my profile (I ruined 3 computers this way, I jammed one of the holes in the computer with photographs from an album but they would not appear on the screen).

Anyway (I've forgotten what I was going to write but I will write something else) I think you are all not being very nice about stupid people. But you are not very nice people anyway, you keep writing about tying people up and hitting them and whipping them and using canes on them. And then there are some of you who are with someone even though they whip you and hit you with canes, or they treat you like a slave. And why do you all do this? I don't know - I'm stupid.

And then... and then, probably after you've all got tired of hitting each other and whipping each other and tying each other up you all come onto this part of the website and you write things and argue with each other. But again I don't understand, because I'm stupid.

And why do many of you think stupid people don't think? Of course we think, often more than intelligent people do - it's just that we're not as successful at it. I am stupid and I think all the time, and I keep thinking 'why don't intelligent people like stupid people'? I keep thinking because I cannot find the answer. But this is why I like the Internet, there is Google and I can always get something off Google and pretend to be intelligent. It doesn't matter that I don't know what I'm writing about, because it's come off Google, so it must be right. If it wasn't, why would it be so popular?

In fact there are many stupid people who use this website. Like me, they don't always understand the words, but they look at the pictures and like them, and they send people messages. It is easier to find stupid people. A stupid person will always reply to your profile, even if you don't get replies from someone intelligent. They might not always be successful, but they're trying, and they write stupid things because they are... stupid. They keep trying, they may not be successful, but they're trying.

And when you come to think about it, it's us, the stupid people who make this world what it is. Many stupid people go on to become politicians, celebrities, civil servants, criminals, they become teachers, lawyers, and I guess many of you out there have had at one point a stupid employer.

And why can't stupid people make postings or ask stupid questions? We send you stupid messages and photos, some even send you one sentence messages. And we do this even though you don't reply because we know you are grateful and happy to receive such messages (though you don't always show it).

I just say to you stop bashing stupid people, we make this site interesting and give you something to talk about.

And besides, there isn't any snow in Africa.




brightspot -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/13/2007 2:31:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Eh.  I know what you mean, but some questions really are fucking stupid.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rover

Questions are neither stupid nor brilliant.  People are.



I agree with this and it isn't always the "newbies" asking them either.
 
Missy.




Sinergy -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/13/2007 6:14:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

I tell my students that there aren't any stupid questions, to put them at ease and to encourage them to ask about what they don't know or understand. Most appreciate the effort. I don't laugh at their questions unless they do. If we laugh together, I'm usually saying, "Oh! I asked that very same thing!" or something like that. Sometimes, people just need encouragement.



I have taught a lot of things.  I get asked questions all the time.  I have often made the same statement as MasterFireMaam.  The other thing I do is apologize if I laugh.  One thing that I teach is pretty emotionally draining, and I tell students that the only way I can cope with doing it is to use humor as a defense mechanism.

In my experience, the people who spend a lot of time denigrating people who ask questions goes back to an uncertainty on the part of the one doing the denigrations.

Just me, etc.

Sinergy




MistressSassy66 -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/13/2007 6:27:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lewcifer

From reading many of the questions on here and other forums, I must conclude that quite a few people ask questions out of sheer laziness (ie, can't take a moment to google first) or boredom (not really caring what the answer is).

More interesting to Me is the fact that many of the respondents can't take the time to read and understand the question being asked, and end up answering a question that was never asked... in a tangent of their own not germane to the discussion at hand.





In defense of those of U/us who dont Google...
I wont use it as they save everything ANYONE Googles.
Doesnt matter the context they save it...
Some questions I have I dont need Google employees knowing.
I have posted I dont try to hide Myself...but I dont go looking for trouble either.

Just incase P/people arnt aware AOL is the same way...they even have a program that red flags certain chats,conversations of people who try to communicate with underage people.
I'm not sure but I believe they also can red flag those looking for info on underage type things.


In that thought I can understand why p/people come here or other like minded sites for answers.




wwwkevinww -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/13/2007 6:45:13 PM)

Stella40, your irony didn't fall on deaf ears, you have a definite gift of the written word...




LadyPact -> RE: The stupid questions? or is it something else? (7/13/2007 8:37:01 PM)

Now that I've read the thread, it's all the way around, and back again.

quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

Well.. I think if we been on the online forums enough.. we see all sort of stupid questions.   But are they really stupid?



Somewhere back on page two of this thing, someone made a very good point.  There is a literal difference here between stupidity and ignorance.  Stupidity is a lack of intelligence, while ignorance is a lack of knowledge.
 
quote:


I find it difficult to relate to newbies in alot of ways.  The biggest reason is my path to learning was so different than so many people that I have come across.

I started learning years ago with my girl alandra.  Back then, we didn't even know a lifestyle of this existed.  We focused on us and learning what was best for us.. both in the concept of the authority structure and our sexuality.  We didn't go to online, books, communities to learn.  We discovered within ourselves.  By the time we discovered the existence of the lifestyle we had a pretty natural flowing power dynamic, our sexual life was pretty damn good to.  Infact, we went out looking to bring another one into our life.. and stumbled into the lifestyle community.   I wouldn't say that I felt at home or anything like that... but did see that there was some like-minded individuals.   In short, alandra and I had alot going for us when we came into the lifestyle and never felt a need to belong to it.  Even now.. I am much more interested in making quality friendships than feeling like I belong to some lifestyle group.


Knight, I very rarely disagree with you, and I might not even especially be doing so now.  For those who aren't lucky enough to make their journey with someone on the same path, I still advocate books, community, and on line research of the lifestyle.  When there is no partner, I believe a person needs resources.

quote:


But, that really isn't the case it seems for alot of people.  Alot of people actually come into the lifestyle as singles, and more often than not.. with some baggage to deal with.   They seem to be longing to belong.  And alot of questions that they ask seems to be rooted in a fear/desire not to screwup, so they can feel they belong.  So.. are they really stupid questions.. maybe it's just not the right questions they need to ask.  Maybe.. they just want to learn so they can belong and/or find what they are looking for


Yes, and sometimes, this is where patience runs thin.  I didn't come into the lifestyle via the net either.  In My less tolerant moments, I have often been reading threads and thinking, "Why don't you get up off of your a** and go learn a little something?  Do you not realize that expecting someone to hand all of the answers to you, without you doing any research at all makes you look incredibly lazy?"  Just the immediate thought that comes into My head after I've read the question du jour, which was the same question asked last week, and the week before, etc., etc.

I will admit to being very thankful to LA more than once, for posting the links to the prior threads that have asked the same question over and over, just for the point of how redundant the question itself really is.

quote:


Of course this is just one possibility of why we see these "UM stupid questions"  which I wonder.. are they really that stupid? 


I won't say stupid, but I will say lack of initiative.  I was listening recently to a report on what is being called "Generation Y".  In other words, the generation that has had the information of the world via the net at their fingertips.  One of the biggest problems they have in coping with in the real world, are the challenges they face when the answers aren't served up to them on a silver platter.  In other words, many of them lack the skills to succeed without taking the simpler path.
 
One point that isn't in the OP, and just a thought of My own (sorry Lewcifer) is there is a distinct difference depending on who asks the hypothetical question.  The content of the question isn't necessarily important.  Any question that's been repeated on a monthly basis fits the example.
 
If, for the sake of arguement, a female submissive newbie comes on CM and starts asking the basic, common knowledge questions, people are much more helpful than if the same question is asked by a male of any role.  I've noticed that We here are much more tolerant of the questions from females, and give the benefit of whatever knowledge or experience We can offer.  It's more often that the snarky attitude is dispensed to the males.  It seems We find ourselves much more gracious depending on gender.  Maybe that is something We should think about.




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