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Level -> What should America do? (7/15/2007 11:01:01 AM)
This thread is for anyone with constructive ideas, or questions. Isolation, or global involvement? Economically? What direction should America go? And, though I know it can be hard, let's try to be civil. You can find the "Republican fascist nuts/Democratic commie nuts" threads all over, let's keep this idea-driven. As julia said elsewhere, let's try to debate issues moreso than people. If someone is wrong, or if you think they're wrong, you can say so without calling them a cockazoid [:D]. And yeah, I'm aware I don't always take this advice.

michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: What should America do? (7/15/2007 11:07:31 AM)
let's let the UN handle things from now on and mind our own damned business. we are NOT the global police.

CuriousLord -> RE: What should America do? (7/15/2007 11:09:09 AM)
The first thing America should do is realize that "America" in and of itself. With so many private parties, and vast globalization, America seems to best serve as a confederation as opposed to singular state body. And, to be blunt? The UN, in many senses, feels like the weak and futile attempts at early establishments of independent city-states and state-states into larger bodies. The United States is becoming, itself, a state of a larger body. The global body. As the older generations are lost to mortality, and the younger generations find both travel and communication easier, national identities are falling away. About two-hundred years back, an American would have identitified himself as a citizen of his state. Today, of America. Tommorow? Perhaps Earth, should space exploration and colonization take off. If not, people will likely cease to care about such identifications so much. In any case, my forecast was more than just a rant. This is what is, in all likelihood, coming. Perhaps should form a state conductive to such an environment.

Level -> RE: What should America do? (7/15/2007 11:10:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia let's let the UN handle things from now on and mind our own damned business. we are NOT the global police. Should we stay in the UN? What if the UN acts in a way not in America's best interest?

Level -> RE: What should America do? (7/15/2007 11:12:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord The first thing America should do is realize that "America" in and of itself. With so many private parties, and vast globalization, America seems to best serve as a confederation as opposed to singular state body. And, to be blunt? The UN, in many senses, feels like the weak and futile attempts at early establishments of independent city-states and state-states into larger bodies. The United States is becoming, itself, a state of a larger body. The global body. As the older generations are lost to mortality, and the younger generations find both travel and communication easier, national identities are falling away. About two-hundred years back, an American would have identitified himself as a citizen of his state. Today, of America. Tommorow? Perhaps Earth, should space exploration and colonization take off. If not, people will likely cease to care about such identifications so much. In any case, my forecast was more than just a rant. This is what is, in all likelihood, coming. Perhaps should form a state conductive to such an environment. How? *yes, I may be asking lots of questions on this thread [:D]*

michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: What should America do? (7/15/2007 11:13:20 AM)
maybe America should adapt a "Prime Directive" of non-interference.

CuriousLord -> RE: What should America do? (7/15/2007 11:19:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level How? Apathy, I suppose? The language barrier wearing away? (When everyone is on the Internet, dialects will start consolidating first, then languages. People are driven to communicate.) I suppose national identities will wear away first. The UN may find itself with more sympathy. (Right now, kids are starving in Africia- who cares? It'll be different when people communicate with such kids online- know them more personally- and are more able to travel to various places, including Africia, as such transportation technology advances. Then again, the food crisis may be not so great an issue by then, but such an issue is only an example that we'd have empathy, not the reason in and of itself.) When people stop caring so much about, "I'm an American", "I'm a Mexican", "I'm from China", etc.. when a "Mexican immigration worker" is thought of the same way that a "North Carolinia worker" is thought of in Virginia.. this whole idea of "us versus them" dies off.. people will be less opposed to legislation and efforts to make such a communicate more solid. Such efforts will likely go hand-in-hand with globalization. quote: ORIGINAL: Level *yes, I may be asking lots of questions on this thread [:D]* It's all good. Today's a busy day, but Karana knows I like messing around on my laptop on every break I can get. May be delays, but, overall, I'm pretty good at getting back to most responses to me. And, good talks can be a lot of fun. :P

CuriousLord -> RE: What should America do? (7/15/2007 11:21:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia maybe America should adapt a "Prime Directive" of non-interference. Why? I see myself far more as a citizen of Earth than of America. It's hard for me to empathize with the notion that, "They're them, we're us, we don't bother with them, they don't bother with us- keep on your side of the fense" bit.

Level -> RE: What should America do? (7/15/2007 11:23:00 AM)
So far, it seems we have one in favor of isolation (at least to a degree), and one for globalization (or perhaps seeing it as unavoidable?).

cuddleheart50 -> RE: What should America do? (7/15/2007 11:23:44 AM)
If someone is wrong, or if you think they're wrong, you can say so without calling them a cockazoid [:D]. And yeah, I'm aware I don't always take this advice. Ahh, your no fun!

CuriousLord -> RE: What should America do? (7/15/2007 11:29:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level So far, it seems we have one in favor of isolation (at least to a degree), and one for globalization (or perhaps seeing it as unavoidable?). What about you? Up for isolation of globalization? On the note of such a poll, I feel that taking age into account will be important. Not that age is, in and of itself, the factor I'm interested in, though it would seem to coorelate with such a factor- exposure to the Internet, in the aspects of duration, extent, and, more to this point, when in one's development.

ErusDespicienta -> RE: What should America do? (7/15/2007 11:31:34 AM)
America wants to be loved , they are trying desperately to make the world love them. It is such a new country which really as yet has no legitismacy, it yearns recognition for doing good deeds. What it doesn't realise is that not everyone wants good deeds . Ever met someone who says " If you want my advice " and then proceeds to give it without waiting for your answer, that's how I see America...dishing out that which IT thinks everyone else wants. Which way should America go ? It should set an example. It is seeking to implement ways and social structure for others that is not yet practicing at home. .Fix America and then let the world judge if it's a great way of life and government. IF the world agrees that it is the right way to do things, other countries will quickly copy it. Forcing people to accept a different way of life for no reason other than " because I said so" is not the right way to go about any change. For the record I was born British, lived in England for 30 years, then moved to the US for the next 19, now back in the UK. I have 2 American children who live in the NE. I have learnt ..there is no paradise, if there was, everyone would go there and it would cease to be paradise. Live and let live, understand rather than judge, listen and learn.

Level -> RE: What should America do? (7/15/2007 11:32:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cuddleheart50 If someone is wrong, or if you think they're wrong, you can say so without calling them a cockazoid [:D]. And yeah, I'm aware I don't always take this advice. Ahh, your no fun! Am too [:-] I sometimes enjoy being snarky, but that shit is everywhere, and I thought, maybe, just maybe, we can have one thread where it's kept to a minimum. There's too many smart people here to think we have to have bloodshed for a topic to be successful lol.

Alumbrado -> RE: What should America do? (7/15/2007 11:33:45 AM)
quote: "North Carolinia worker" is thought of in Virginia.. Not to derail, but ironically in Norfolk, 'bus from Carolina' has a very real, and very unfortunate connotation. Those workers are indeed looked down on by some portion of the Virginia citizenry. But it does serve to illustrate your excellent point about drawing artifical lines on the map, or a family tree, and treating fellow humans as 'the others'. As to the OP, the US should probably worry first and foremost about its internal afflictions. Anything we try to do in the world is bound to be sabotaged or greatly disadvantaged by the corruption wrought in pursuit of money and power. Some sort of initiative to divest the government of political parties and career politicians, would be the best starting point IMHO.

subfever -> RE: What should America do? (7/15/2007 11:35:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord ...When people stop caring so much about, "I'm an American", "I'm a Mexican", "I'm from China", etc.. when a "Mexican immigration worker" is thought of the same way that a "North Carolinia worker" is thought of in Virginia.. this whole idea of "us versus them" dies off.. people will be less opposed to legislation and efforts to make such a communicate more solid. Such efforts will likely go hand-in-hand with globalization. I'm curious. What leads you to believe that the PTB will do an about-face and stop creating boogeymen that ultimately feed the "us vs. them" illusion?

Level -> RE: What should America do? (7/15/2007 11:38:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord quote: ORIGINAL: Level So far, it seems we have one in favor of isolation (at least to a degree), and one for globalization (or perhaps seeing it as unavoidable?). What about you? Up for isolation of globalization? On the note of such a poll, I feel that taking age into account will be important. Not that age is, in and of itself, the factor I'm interested in, though it would seem to coorelate with such a factor- exposure to the Internet, in the aspects of duration, extent, and, more to this point, when in one's development. I'm torn between the two, CL. Part of me thinks if we pull back behind our borders, then we can be secure and redevelop much of our economy, and control it much better. Then, if that works, we can carefully work with others and show them how to do it with their own nations. Part of me sees the world as important as our country, and every person in every corner of the globe deserving of consideration, and assistance. I see the benefits and drawbacks of the global society for not only us, but for people everywhere. At times, I think a world government would be best; take the best from all systems, and mesh it into one. But, at day's end, I don't know what is best.

Level -> RE: What should America do? (7/15/2007 11:47:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado As to the OP, the US should probably worry first and foremost about its internal afflictions. Anything we try to do in the world is bound to be sabotaged or greatly disadvantaged by the corruption wrought in pursuit of money and power. Some sort of initiative to divest the government of political parties and career politicians, would be the best starting point IMHO. Such as? And I realize it may take a little time to come up with some details, so anyone needing that time, please take it.

michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: What should America do? (7/15/2007 11:47:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord quote: ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia maybe America should adapt a "Prime Directive" of non-interference. Why? I see myself far more as a citizen of Earth than of America. It's hard for me to empathize with the notion that, "They're them, we're us, we don't bother with them, they don't bother with us- keep on your side of the fense" bit. don't mind me, i'm just a stupid moron that doesn't know a damn thing

Level -> RE: What should America do? (7/15/2007 11:48:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subfever quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord ...When people stop caring so much about, "I'm an American", "I'm a Mexican", "I'm from China", etc.. when a "Mexican immigration worker" is thought of the same way that a "North Carolinia worker" is thought of in Virginia.. this whole idea of "us versus them" dies off.. people will be less opposed to legislation and efforts to make such a communicate more solid. Such efforts will likely go hand-in-hand with globalization. I'm curious. What leads you to believe that the PTB will do an about-face and stop creating boogeymen that ultimately feed the "us vs. them" illusion? *Do you see any* "us vs them" existing? Or is it 100% fabricated by the powers that be?**

LeMis -> RE: What should America do? (7/15/2007 11:49:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level *yes, I may be asking lots of questions on this thread [:D]* ohhhh sooooo this is a test.... [&:]

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