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MasterFireMaam -> RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants (7/17/2007 8:15:34 PM)

I want to be seduced....I want to seduce. It's going to depend on the energy from the person.

Master Fire




losttreasure -> RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants (7/17/2007 8:25:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Yeah, that sounds good.

But I just had a little powwow about this and was told that I do more toe-curling than quivering and trembling.

Maybe we should do a thread: "How has Lam come in your presence?"


Toes curling is good.  But when the muscles in his abdomen tremble as I brush my lips ever so faintly against the soft skin right above his hips... when his cock quivers as I gently draw a fingertip along his length... that is a "domly" version of quivering and trembling that I find irresistable.  [;)]




chiaThePet -> RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants (7/17/2007 8:33:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch

oops.  ok so my earlier post stated that I was assuming you were talking about Doms and female subs.  If I am to be completely honest, I think that when you are talking about Dommes and male subs, there is more of a potential for an authority shift.  It's very interesting how the whole thought process changes when one switches the genders around..
I'd like to hear more details about your mindset during the experience as compared to your mindset afterwards..


Dear BossyShoeBitch,

i really wasn't asking of one over the other, but it is interesting that You feel the
Dynamic has a better chance of shifting if it is a Domme. Do You feel they are
weaker of resolve, or perhaps as Women might fall into the romanticized sexual
submissive postion? i'm not saying this is so, but it seems to be what is inferred
here, forgive me if i am wrong.

As for my own experience, it involved a Dom, (yes Ladies and germs, the pet
is a bisexual, if such causes severe palpatations to your little hearts, look away,
for the love of God, look away) After several communications, we agreed to meet
and it was implied it would be a meeting of a sexual nature at some point or
another. He was leather clad, somewhat the stereotype, but i was attracted to
the whole package. (pun intended) We spoke for a while and "i" moved things
along and asked if He would like to get more comfortable. He was willing,
(yes i thought, i get sex today) and proceeded to stand and reach down to
remove his boot. i sprang from the chair to my knees in front of him and gently
took his hand from his boot and placed it on my shoulder for leverage. i then
proceeded to lift his leg and begin removing his boot all the while saying,"Your
submissives don't take very good care of You now do they?" i gazed up at Him
with my batting puppy blue eyes, and the look on his face was priceless. i had
completely caught him off guard and i knew at that moment, He was mine.

i'll spare You the naughty details, but it continued as "i" desired beginning with
my second look which traveled from His eyes to the crotch before me, then
back to His eyes, then.....You get the picture, i know what i got. The entire
episode was directed by me, how i wanted it to go, what i wanted to do and
how i wanted to do it. i even directed that which i desired of Him in interaction
with me. At the time it was working for me, i was getting "just" what i wanted,
didn't have to do a thing for it but bat my puppy blue eyes. i celebrated after
He left, content in the afterglow.

As time passed however, i realized i simply had sex with this Man, the sex i
desired to have at the moment. i was satisfied in the sense that i "got" some,
but i lost that sense of submission as i reflected. i controlled everything that
day, the place, the time, the drinks, the flow and application, i submitted to
nothing beyond removing His boots and dropping His leathers, nothing as
He might have required of me. This may have simply worked for Him,
an easy "getting off" scenerio that didn't take any effort on his part. Leading up
to such, He had been all strict and demanding, very Authorative in His demeaner
of approach, but rushing to his boot seemed to knock the Dom right out of him,
go figure.

Understand that my unhappiness doesn't come from the sex, hell, i like sex. But
in the course of, i lost that submissive sense in which i find the greatest pleasure.
At the time i was seemingly enjoying running the show, now i feel as though i
was simply watching someone else from the sideline. i was there, but it wasn't
really me as i know i am. Make sense? Now i feel like i have to be very, very
careful in my approach to a Dominant, don't want to screw things up and be
left running the show again. "Ah, i'll get us a drink, go ahead and take Your
boots off, i'll be right back."

chia* (the pet)




hejira92 -> RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants (7/17/2007 8:34:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: losttreasure

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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

Do you? Have you? Would you? Could you? Should you?


Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes!

quote:

ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

Does it or doesn't it shift the Authority Dynamic when a submissive possesses the knowledge and ability to sexually seduce a Dominant?


For me, not in the least.  It is an integral part of our relationship in that he sought a woman who has the knowledge and ability, and would submit them to him for his use.  It is my job to please and to pleasure him.

quote:

ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

Can such be used for an Authority reversal with the submissive becoming the aggressive purveyor to the pleasures of the flesh, controlling the pace, allowance, and intensity?


I'd say that the real risk of that happening would be if the dominant was incapable of maintaining control.... not of the submissive, but of his or herself. 

If FirmhandKY were weak and allowed more than his physical pleasure to manipulated by my "feminine wiles", then there might be a danger of authority being transferred to me.

But I can't see that happening.  [;)]

quote:

ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

You have Him or Her naked and exposed, and You know how to make that
flesh quiver and tremble. How does "that" make you feel? Where does that
feeling lead your mind and body?


It gives me a tremendous sense of joy and awe at being able to give him such pleasure.  That feeling serves to deepen my submission to him... as well as arouse me.



I very much agree and subscribe to this mindset (of course, insert Cuffkinks in all references to "Him"). One of Master's favorite activities is my hands upon Him- often after a full-body massage. The position of Him lying on the table, me above Him and Him very much enjoying His own head space could seem like a power reversal. Master has commented on how He could see how I could dominate someone with that talent. But all He has to do is hold up His hands or other small indicator of His desires and i will follow His direction. So, although the posture may seem as if I'm in control, I'm not really.
 
But, for me, oh, it can sometimes feel as if I am and then I do feel the power of being able to give such pleasure and control what He is feeling- the stroke, the depth, the speed. I love to watch and gauge His reactions to my different touches, seeing if I can bring Him to the edge and hold Him there or back off a bit. It is fun. It does make me tingly. And it makes me wonder what I might be capable of if I did want or get real control.




sublimelysensual -> RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants (7/17/2007 8:35:37 PM)

I think I would be uncomfortable completely directing the situation..however..licking and kissing, teasing, suckling until He couldn't take it anymore,  grabbed me by the hair, pushed me against a wall and well..you know...that's a totally different story. *grinz*




onmykneesforhim -> RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants (7/17/2007 8:37:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sublimelysensual

I think I would be uncomfortable completely directing the situation..however..licking and kissing, teasing, suckling until He couldn't take it anymore,  grabbed me by the hair, pushed me against a wall and well..you know...that's a totally different story. *grinz*


Is not
seduction  what it really is all about?
hg




chiaThePet -> RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants (7/17/2007 8:38:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Yeah, that sounds good.

But I just had a little powwow about this and was told that I do more toe-curling than quivering and trembling.

Maybe we should do a thread: "How has Lam come in your presence?"

quote:

ORIGINAL: losttreasure

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Ummm...I was actually with you till you got to this part.  I have absolutely no objection to being seduced by a sub, but my flesh doesn't exactly "quiver and tremble" when I'm naked.  My typical response is more like "get boner, tie up sub, go to work."


Have you never allowed a woman just to pleasure you?  Laid back and enjoyed the sensations of being fondled and stroked, caressed and kissed, tickled and teased?  Let her trail her fingertips lightly over your skin... felt her warm breath gently blow the hair on your chest?




Alrighty then L&M, let er rip!

chia* {pedicure specialist) (the pet)




chiaThePet -> RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants (7/17/2007 8:45:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: hejira92

I very much agree and subscribe to this mindset (of course, insert Cuffkinks in all references to "Him"). One of Master's favorite activities is my hands upon Him- often after a full-body massage. The position of Him lying on the table, me above Him and Him very much enjoying His own head space could seem like a power reversal. Master has commented on how He could see how I could dominate someone with that talent. But all He has to do is hold up His hands or other small indicator of His desires and i will follow His direction. So, although the posture may seem as if I'm in control, I'm not really.
 
But, for me, oh, it can sometimes feel as if I am and then I do feel the power of being able to give such pleasure and control what He is feeling- the stroke, the depth, the speed. I love to watch and gauge His reactions to my different touches, seeing if I can bring Him to the edge and hold Him there or back off a bit. It is fun. It does make me tingly. And it makes me wonder what I might be capable of if I did want or get real control.


Very nicely stated hejira92, you are aware of the dynamic and question your own
capibilities. Thank you.

chia* (the pet)




Lordandmaster -> RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants (7/17/2007 8:54:59 PM)

Nice cleavage!

Do they look like that in person too?

quote:

ORIGINAL: onmykneesforhim

Is not
seduction what it really is all about?
hg




chiaThePet -> RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants (7/17/2007 8:57:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sublimelysensual

I think I would be uncomfortable completely directing the situation..however..licking and kissing, teasing, suckling until He couldn't take it anymore,  grabbed me by the hair, pushed me against a wall and well..you know...that's a totally different story. *grinz*


Nice scenerio sublimelysensual, now imagine that he doesn't grab you by
the hair and doesn't push you against the wall and well.....doesn't. How
would you feel about the dynamic of such missing from the scenerio?

chia* (the pet) 




chiaThePet -> RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants (7/17/2007 9:00:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Nice cleavage!

Do they look like that in person too?

quote:

ORIGINAL: onmykneesforhim

Is not
seduction what it really is all about?
hg



Seduction complete. Big Breasts 1 Dominants 0

chia* (the pet)




SexyRed -> RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants (7/17/2007 9:01:06 PM)

When it comes to seduction, many think they are in control when they are doing the seducing...but in reality, the person who is being seduced, really has the power, for they have incited the seducer.

I don't think that any power dynamic is lost in the right type of relationship. If you do not want to assume any type of power, even while being submissive, then do not act out seduction scenarios if you cannot handle the feelings afterwards, of having been in control.

As a submissive, I feel power when I seduce and have no issue whatsoever with losing my submissive mindset.




MySweetSubmssive -> RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants (7/17/2007 9:06:40 PM)

Seduction might place the submissive in the more active, assertive role.  Courtship, on the other hand, does not.  Same behaviors looked at through a different lens.

MSS




chiaThePet -> RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants (7/17/2007 9:08:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SexyRed

When it comes to seduction, many think they are in control when they are doing the seducing...but in reality, the person who is being seduced, really has the power, for they have incited the seducer.

I don't think that any power dynamic is lost in the right type of relationship. If you do not want to assume any type of power, even while being submissive, then do not act out seduction scenarios if you cannot handle the feelings afterwards, of having been in control.

As a submissive, I feel power when I seduce and have no issue whatsoever with losing my submissive mindset.


Thank You, good points made here SexyRed. Do you ever feel as though you
could in fact switch, as you are comfortable with feeling the power of seduction?

chia* (the pet)




AquaticSub -> RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants (7/17/2007 9:08:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

Do you?

Yeah. Subs need to get laid too.
quote:


Have you?

Wouldn't be dating Valyraen if I hadn't.
quote:


Would you?

If Valyraen and I broke up, yeah.
quote:


Could you?

I think that is pretty obvious since I have and if I need to I will again.
quote:


Should you?

Why the hell not? Dominants are capable of saying "No I'm not interested".

quote:


Given that a fair share of M/s, D/s relationships do in fact include a sexual connect,
what are your thoughts and/or experiences related to the subject?

My thoughts? I'm not interested in a relationship where I'm not getting laid.
quote:



Does it or
doesn't it shift the Authority Dynamic when a submissive possesses the knowledge
and ability to sexually seduce a Dominant?

Only if they don't have the willpower to say "Nope, not screwing you no matter what you do. Now go play a video game or something."
quote:


Can such be used for an Authority
reversal with the submissive becoming the aggressive purveyor to the pleasures
of the flesh, controlling the pace, allowance, and intensity?

Sure it could. Anything could. In my relationship, I want sex a lot more then Valyraen. As long as he hasn't told me bug off, I'm allowed to arouse him. 
quote:


Thoughts? Experience?

I dunno... I don't see the big deal. If a dominant doesn't want to have sex all he has to do is say no. I guess I just view the seduction as the thing that happens before the relationship starts.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants (7/17/2007 9:15:17 PM)

Chia your situation sounds very much like a typical "I got what I wanted, and now I'm not happy" sort of thing that continues to put women in the "unable to please" category.

Enjoy the experience for what it was, stop worrying about who had what or who did what- there's always another chance for seduction. 




chiaThePet -> RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants (7/17/2007 9:23:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

quote:

ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

Do you?

Yeah. Subs need to get laid too.
quote:


Have you?

Wouldn't be dating Valyraen if I hadn't.
quote:


Would you?

If Valyraen and I broke up, yeah.
quote:


Could you?

I think that is pretty obvious since I have and if I need to I will again.
quote:


Should you?

Why the hell not? Dominants are capable of saying "No I'm not interested".

quote:


Given that a fair share of M/s, D/s relationships do in fact include a sexual connect,
what are your thoughts and/or experiences related to the subject?

My thoughts? I'm not interested in a relationship where I'm not getting laid.
quote:



Does it or
doesn't it shift the Authority Dynamic when a submissive possesses the knowledge
and ability to sexually seduce a Dominant?

Only if they don't have the willpower to say "Nope, not screwing you no matter what you do. Now go play a video game or something."
quote:


Can such be used for an Authority
reversal with the submissive becoming the aggressive purveyor to the pleasures
of the flesh, controlling the pace, allowance, and intensity?

Sure it could. Anything could. In my relationship, I want sex a lot more then Valyraen. As long as he hasn't told me bug off, I'm allowed to arouse him. 
quote:


Thoughts? Experience?

I dunno... I don't see the big deal. If a dominant doesn't want to have sex all he has to do is say no. I guess I just view the seduction as the thing that happens before the relationship starts.


Good for you, you want and get sex, it's available on almost every street corner
in America, along with smug. Now, this was about dynamic and power exchange
in relation to submissives seducing Dominants. Anything to add along those lines?
Do you ever feel a sense of control and power over your Dominant whilst in the
throws of all that glorious "sex" you enjoy? Do you? 

chia* (the pet)




subitodolce -> RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants (7/17/2007 9:47:32 PM)

My Sir rather enjoys when I decide to be the "seducer". He loves the little glint I get in my eyes (I have glorious gold flecks in my eyes that twinkle when I'm being ornery), and has repeatedly stated that he is enthralled by the fact that I /want/ to please him back.

He actually let me blindfold him this weekend (it's taken a month to talk him into it)...and not because I wanted to Top, but because I wanted to tease his upper body/face/neck with kisses and wanted to leave him guessing as to where I would touch next. He was a little apprehensive at first (and claimed that I was a switch), but I won him over after the first five minutes. It was wonderful fun to leave him shivering and trembling, and after 45 minutes he finally tugged the blindfold off with this euphoric glow on his face and a HUGE grin.


Yes, seducing a Dom is wonderful fun...and mine is a very happy gentleman.




chiaThePet -> RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants (7/17/2007 9:47:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Chia your situation sounds very much like a typical "I got what I wanted, and now I'm not happy" sort of thing that continues to put women in the "unable to please" category.

Enjoy the experience for what it was, stop worrying about who had what or who did what- there's always another chance for seduction. 


Well kind of, yes i did seduce and enjoy the physical contact LA, but in hindsight,
controlling everything really wasn't what i wanted or had in mind, just happened.

Oh i don't sweat the small items, just wanted some input from others who could
relate to the possibility of control landing in their lap so to speak, whether
unintentionally or as an intentional tactic. 

Actually it's just a plot to expose all those submissive Dominants out there who
bark and then roll over, sigh. Kidding, kinda. It's really a plot to increase the
dues paying members of the Switch Society of Former Submissives.

chia* (the pet) 




chiaThePet -> RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants (7/17/2007 9:52:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subitodolce

My Sir rather enjoys when I decide to be the "seducer". He loves the little glint I get in my eyes (I have glorious gold flecks in my eyes that twinkle when I'm being ornery), and has repeatedly stated that he is enthralled by the fact that I /want/ to please him back.

He actually let me blindfold him this weekend (it's taken a month to talk him into it)...and not because I wanted to Top, but because I wanted to tease his upper body/face/neck with kisses and wanted to leave him guessing as to where I would touch next. He was a little apprehensive at first (and claimed that I was a switch), but I won him over after the first five minutes. It was wonderful fun to leave him shivering and trembling, and after 45 minutes he finally tugged the blindfold off with this euphoric glow on his face and a HUGE grin.


Yes, seducing a Dom is wonderful fun...and mine is a very happy gentleman.



Excellent seduction and control of your desires subitodolce, kudos!

chia* (the pet)




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