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RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants - 7/17/2007 10:01:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SexyRed

When it comes to seduction, many think they are in control when they are doing the seducing...but in reality, the person who is being seduced, really has the power, for they have incited the seducer.

I don't think that any power dynamic is lost in the right type of relationship. If you do not want to assume any type of power, even while being submissive, then do not act out seduction scenarios if you cannot handle the feelings afterwards, of having been in control.

As a submissive, I feel power when I seduce and have no issue whatsoever with losing my submissive mindset.


Thank You, good points made here SexyRed. Do you ever feel as though you
could in fact switch, as you are comfortable with feeling the power of seduction?

chia* (the pet)


Thanks chia. I have always known of my power as a woman to seduce. I also know that I have the knowledge to switch intellectually and put forth the right effort to physically switch. However....since I am only wired to be aroused by my submissive nature, it would simply be the best acting job of being a switch; it would not be in my spirit, soul or sexual heart.

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RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants - 7/17/2007 10:41:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet
Do you? Have you? Would you? Could you? Should you?


Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

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Given that a fair share of M/s, D/s relationships do in fact include a sexual connect, what are your thoughts and/or experiences related to the subject?


I try to seduce MJ every chance I get, heck, I am attempting to right now, but He is working, so I won't really bother Him. When we are together, hang on, I will do my best, in the most subtle or ways normally, its fun. If He wants me to stop, He will stop me. I look at it as part of my 'job' to seduce MJ and to make Him happy. I know other girls like Him, He is SEXXXY as hell, even my best friend said He is 'hot' and she an I have different tastes. Seduction is part of the 'romance' aspect of my relationship with MJ, just like Him opening doors for me is part of Him taking care of me and aserting His authority and that of a gentleman; its part of our relationship.  

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Does it or doesn't it shift the Authority Dynamic when a submissive possesses the knowledge and ability to sexually seduce a Dominant?


Flirting aka seduction is what it is, its a way to express interest. If me trying to seduce or flirt with MJ shifted the dynamic of our relationship, then I would be topping from the bottom, which is NOT gonna fly. Part of being submissive IS knowing how to seduce and flirt with your partner; how to get His motor going and to make Him happy.  

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Can such be used for an Authority reversal with the submissive becoming the aggressive purveyor to the pleasures of the flesh, controlling the pace, allowance, and intensity? Thoughts? Experience?


It can; it doesn't have to be. In my relationship its not that way. Seducing MJ is relaxing and its fun. It keeps Him on His toes and makes our relationship and exciting. Seducing MJ doesn't have to be for physical reasons, it can be mentally, psychologically, etc. Just like every other aspect of M/s, its multi-dimentional.   

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RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants - 7/17/2007 10:43:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

Good for you, you want and get sex, it's available on almost every street corner
in America, along with smug.

Pay for sex? I would never. Get paid maybe, but pay? Never. Too good at what I do.
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Now, this was about dynamic and power exchange
in relation to submissives seducing Dominants. Anything to add along those lines?

I did. Apprently you weren't pleased with the answer - doms, in fact, allowed to say "fuck off, I don't want to fuck you", which I respect.
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Do you ever feel a sense of control and power over your Dominant whilst in the
throws of all that glorious "sex" you enjoy? Do you? 


Sex is sex and orgasms are orgasms. I can get them anywhere I want. I don't mean to cheapen the experience, but it's the truth. I have no lack of potential sex partners. It's just not a power thing for me, save that if someone doesn't want to have sex with me I'm not going to be in a relationship with them. Just a waste of time.


I don't control Valyraen, he controls me. That doesn't mean I can't get him hard and get him  to want to have sex though. I don't control the sex I have with him, but I still get sex. Many times he has been hard as a rock and told me to bugger off. Many times he hasn't. You didn't ask if seduction always succeeded, just if we ever had.  Edited for spelling

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RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants - 7/17/2007 10:51:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty

quote:

ORIGINAL: chiaThePet
Do you? Have you? Would you? Could you? Should you?


Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

quote:


Given that a fair share of M/s, D/s relationships do in fact include a sexual connect, what are your thoughts and/or experiences related to the subject?


I try to seduce MJ every chance I get, heck, I am attempting to right now, but He is working, so I won't really bother Him. When we are together, hang on, I will do my best, in the most subtle or ways normally, its fun. If He wants me to stop, He will stop me. I look at it as part of my 'job' to seduce MJ and to make Him happy. I know other girls like Him, He is SEXXXY as hell, even my best friend said He is 'hot' and she an I have different tastes. Seduction is part of the 'romance' aspect of my relationship with MJ, just like Him opening doors for me is part of Him taking care of me and aserting His authority and that of a gentleman; its part of our relationship.  

quote:


Does it or doesn't it shift the Authority Dynamic when a submissive possesses the knowledge and ability to sexually seduce a Dominant?


Flirting aka seduction is what it is, its a way to express interest. If me trying to seduce or flirt with MJ shifted the dynamic of our relationship, then I would be topping from the bottom, which is NOT gonna fly. Part of being submissive IS knowing how to seduce and flirt with your partner; how to get His motor going and to make Him happy.  

quote:


Can such be used for an Authority reversal with the submissive becoming the aggressive purveyor to the pleasures of the flesh, controlling the pace, allowance, and intensity? Thoughts? Experience?


It can; it doesn't have to be. In my relationship its not that way. Seducing MJ is relaxing and its fun. It keeps Him on His toes and makes our relationship and exciting. Seducing MJ doesn't have to be for physical reasons, it can be mentally, psychologically, etc. Just like every other aspect of M/s, its multi-dimentional.   


Nice slaverosebeauty, i envy your success, in a good way though.
Good take on things, and i especially like your pointing out that
seduction can be other than a physical endeavor, so important
in the M/s, D/s relationships we seek. Thank You.

chia* (the pet)

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RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants - 7/17/2007 11:01:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

Good for you, you want and get sex, it's available on almost every street corner
in America, along with smug.

Pay for sex? I would never. Get paid maybe, but pay? Never. Too good at what I do.
quote:


Now, this was about dynamic and power exchange
in relation to submissives seducing Dominants. Anything to add along those lines?

I did. Apprently you weren't pleased with the answer - doms, in fact, allowed to say "fuck off, I don't want to fuck you", which I respect.
quote:


Do you ever feel a sense of control and power over your Dominant whilst in the
throws of all that glorious "sex" you enjoy? Do you? 


Sex is sex and orgasms are orgasms. I can get them anywhere I want. I don't mean to cheapen the experience, but it's the truth. I have no lack of potential sex partners. It's just not a power thing for me, save that if someone doesn't want to have sex with me I'm not going to be in a relationship with them. Just a waste of time.


I don't control Valyraen, he controls me. That doesn't mean I can't get him hard and get him  to want to have sex though. I don't control the sex I have with him, but I still get sex. Many times he has been hard as a rock and told me to bugger off. Many times he hasn't. You didn't ask if seduction always succeeded, just if we ever had.  Edited for spelling


Didn't say anything about paying for sex here, it is pretty much available if
one desires it these days. Protitutes aren't the only ones hanging out on
street corners in America.

Sorry if i didn't really see you addressing my queries, there was just a lot
of you desiring, wanting and having sex, perhaps your point got lost in
the tumbling sheets.

So you yourself never feel an exchange of control while seducing your
Dominant, fair enough, i hear you, thanks for sharing.

chia* (the pet) 

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RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants - 7/17/2007 11:02:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet


So you yourself never feel an exchange of control while seducing your
Dominant, fair enough, i hear you, thanks for sharing.

chia* (the pet) 


Since all he has to do is say "no" and I stop, it's kinda hard to feel in control.

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RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants - 7/17/2007 11:12:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet


So you yourself never feel an exchange of control while seducing your
Dominant, fair enough, i hear you, thanks for sharing.

chia* (the pet) 


Since all he has to do is say "no" and I stop, it's kinda hard to feel in control.


Then you are fortunate in having found a sincere Dominant, even if he says no
sometimes. Enjoy! (have you tried the boot thing though?) 

chia* (the pet) 

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RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants - 7/17/2007 11:19:37 PM   
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Wow chia so he just rolled completely over huh?  I mean this guy just kind of dropped  into a subspace himself and let you be the "doer" so to speak?  Talk about a mind fuck!

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RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants - 7/17/2007 11:52:09 PM   
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Wow chia so he just rolled completely over huh?  I mean this guy just kind of dropped  into a subspace himself and let you be the "doer" so to speak?  Talk about a mind fuck!


Like a dachshund with a hard on Ma'am. (forgive the anology)

Yeah, i could almost see Him saying, "mind if I fuck"

When the leathers came off, so did the Dominant personna.

It was all chia* chia* chia* and my little bag of tricks.

It was like Dominant Dan sent His cousin Leather with a Feather in His place.

Gotta admit though, He's not the first i've felt this way with, and most
likely won't be the last.

Seems it's actually been the Ladies who've never flinched in Their requirements.

Hmmmmm, maybe i need to rethink this whole bi-focol thing.

chia* (the pet)

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RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants - 7/18/2007 2:10:31 AM   
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Do you? Have you? Could you? Would you?


No, never.


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RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants - 7/18/2007 3:27:42 AM   
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This question confuses me on a few things. 'Seduction' seems to be a negative thing here which I don't understand. For us it is a mutual feeling.
I also don't understand how my teasing R into bed is making the dynamic shift, it never shifts.
Ugh I hate questions I totally don't get! I feel obtuse but then again it is only 6:30 am.

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RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants - 7/18/2007 3:55:14 AM   
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I'm with camille.  It sounds like seduction is negative.  I find it a very positive thing.  I don't see any power shift at all.  Like Aquatic said, he can always say no.

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RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants - 7/18/2007 4:06:05 AM   
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I would really then have to ask "Is that great curved *trunk* of yours, also real?
I will show you those if you show me yours.
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Yeah, that sounds good.

But I just had a little powwow about this and was told that I do more toe-curling than quivering and trembling.

Maybe we should do a thread: "How has Lam come in your presence?"

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ORIGINAL: Lorddandmaster
Nice cleavage!
Do they look like that in person?



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RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants - 7/18/2007 4:09:08 AM   
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I love being able to seduce, I wouldn't have it any other way.  I love to watch as he gets turned on, his breath changes, his voice changes..mmmmm.  There is such an erotic power involved in making him want me sexually.  It doesn't mess up our dynamic one bit.  He loves that I want him, and that I want sex with him.  He loves that I feel free enough to go after it from him without being worried I am doing wrong, or that I will look dumb. 
 
I admit I have always done this with men.  I have always enjoyed making them want me.  It is not only a turn on for them, but for me in return.  Once I get them where they can't take it anymore, I am usually there myself.  It just puts me in a sexier frame of mind, and my body responds to that.
 
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RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants - 7/18/2007 4:12:09 AM   
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Thinking about this a bit more I realised that if I didn't have the *power* to seduce him then wouldn't that mean that the sexual attraction would be gone?
If I'm in my corset, my hair spilling over my shoulders & he isn't interested then I doubt I would want to be with him.

I used the word 'power' because that is how seduction is being framed within this thread.

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RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants - 7/18/2007 5:45:11 AM   
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I think I would be uncomfortable completely directing the situation..however..licking and kissing, teasing, suckling until He couldn't take it anymore,  grabbed me by the hair, pushed me against a wall and well..you know...that's a totally different story. *grinz*


Nice scenerio sublimelysensual, now imagine that he doesn't grab you by
the hair and doesn't push you against the wall and well.....doesn't. How
would you feel about the dynamic of such missing from the scenerio?

chia* (the pet) 


That would be one of those mixed blessing scenarios for me. Obviously I would be sexually frustrated..not in the whiny/pissy kind of way, more like..oh my god I'm going to die. *laughs* But on the flip side of the coin..well, it's totally hot, I love mind games when done right, complete and total turn-on. And the next time I went about seducing Him..you can bet I would try even harder, throw more into the mix. To make someone try to lose that control of their body..even as they're completely in control of yours..yummy.
 
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RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants - 7/18/2007 5:52:56 AM   
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it happens between Daddy and i - i know saying the right words or visioning a scene for him (for example plans for our 1st anniversary) i can arouse Him ...sometimes making Him too aroused that we have to take a break. He enjoys being teased and seduced.

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RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants - 7/18/2007 6:14:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: camille65

This question confuses me on a few things. 'Seduction' seems to be a negative thing here which I don't understand. For us it is a mutual feeling.
I also don't understand how my teasing R into bed is making the dynamic shift, it never shifts.
Ugh I hate questions I totally don't get! I feel obtuse but then again it is only 6:30 am.


Dear camille65 and bandit25,

No, i didn't put the question of seduction forth as a bad thing, seduction in and of
itself is a beautiful approach, as has been shared by many here. Where would we
be without it? What inspired my post was the experience wherein i was very
happy initially with what my seduction of a Dominant wraught me. The seduction
itself was wonderful, it was only after when i realized in this particular situation,
my seduction led to a complete control shift to myself, i became the Authority
for everything which transpired. In retrospect, i lost my submissive desires in
becoming the complete aggressor, it became a simple sexual entanglement.

i don't feel the act of seduction itself changes a Dynamic per say, but it may lead
to such depending on the situation, and thus my query of those whom might
have shared such and realize that it can be used to shift control if one desires
to do so. As many have shared, their Dominants will allow and welcome the
seduction, but there remains a solid understanding that the Dynamic of control
remains always with their Dominant.

What i discovered from past experiences was that my seduction could in fact
change the Dynamic and swing control to me, and though it may become a
feel good moment, the afterburn becomes a disappointment and let down if
i loose my submissive needs altogether. i do love to seduce, i just must be
careful not to let that seduction steal away the beauty of my submissive nature.

chia* (the pet)
 

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RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants - 7/18/2007 6:17:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: onmykneesforhim

I would really then have to ask "Is that great curved *trunk* of yours, also real?
I will show you those if you show me yours.
hg

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Yeah, that sounds good.

But I just had a little powwow about this and was told that I do more toe-curling than quivering and trembling.

Maybe we should do a thread: "How has Lam come in your presence?"

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ORIGINAL: Lorddandmaster
Nice cleavage!
Do they look like that in person?




The Secduction Continues Unabated, Big Breasts 2 Dominants 0

chia* (the pet)



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RE: Submissives Seducing Dominants - 7/18/2007 6:18:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

Dear Ocilla,

Thank You Ma'am, my queries come following a recent experience where i felt
the shift of control swing to me and i took advantage of the situation, yet i do
not find complete satisfaction in possessing that authority now that the afterglow
has subsided. i sincerely wish to hear the views of other submissives whom can
recognize themselves in the scenerio. Thank You again.

chia* (the pet) 

Some women who are comfortable in their dominance as well as their sexuality can encourage such "aggressive" behavior in a male.  I myself don't like a passive male in any sense, so him being actively engaged with me at all times, be it in communication, in thought, in word and in deed is key to us having a lively, passionate and intense power exchange.  Respect is key.

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