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darkinshadows -> RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 (6/27/2005 3:11:27 PM)

Can some people just please stop these personal attacks and condecending comments and nasty sarcasms?

It is really getting horrible and making everyone just look bitter and twisted.
We don't all have to agree, but could everyone just not agree in a civilised manner?

Apart from the fact its actually taking the focus of the original post and looking more like a Jerry Springer show.

Peace and Love




SirKenin -> RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 (6/27/2005 3:12:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TormentiusYou say we've done nothing at all but piss the US off for 150 years with the exception of two incidents and then make a disparaging comment on a lack of historical knowledge. Our two countries have been allies and trade partners for most of that time, not enemies.


You have no bloody idea what is going on behind the scenes obviously. While W/we have been trade partners W/we have been teetering on the brink of relationship disaster. Read your newspaper and inform yourself. This has been going on for over a century. Where the hell have you been? Living in a cave?

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Taken over Canadian commerce? Mark your words? Sounds like more delusions, not facts. And how is the fact the US gaining trade and natural resources from Canada even as we gain from their purchases and products an outright lie? Sure, both countries could sell their goods elsewhere but it wouldn't be near as convenient for either party.


Who owns Wal-mart? Who owns Home Depot? Who owns Starbucks? Who owns the greatest majority of the major chains out there now, slowly but surely putting Canadian business out of business? Why you are right. It is the United States Machine and it is coming for you.

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You've been pointed at legitimate resources time and again throughout this thread and chosen to ignore them. Evidently my interpretation is agreed with by a major free speech organization who is challenging the law now among other organizations which are speaking out against this. You make the comment of people claiming the sky is falling yet assert just a couple posts ago how we should fear being taken over by our neighboring country just for disagreeing on policy. Do you even see the irony in that?


I have ignored nothing. your resources have been nothing but biased bullshit. I have just finished pointing out how in My last couple of posts. I am not ignoring the facts, you are and it is now becoming painfully obvious that you do not have a clue in the world what you are talking about. you are too busy relying on someone else to do your thinking for you.

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You call me a puppet yet are blindly accepting a flawed law which is unable to be enforced outside US borders and does not address the real issues at hand. I'm all for child protection, but this isn't it. I note you didn't reply to my point on hiring more police to enforce the laws already in existence? Did you happen to miss that one in your rush to hammer out a reply?

This debate has gotten way off track and, frankly, I find your ignorance nauseating. My points have been made; I'm done with this.


The Law has merit. Period. It is not the be all and end all, but it is sound and until I am proven wrong in Court you can can it. Do not call Me ignorant when you have to feed off someone else's misinformation to make all your decisions for you and have not got a bloody clue in the world about the tensions between the US and Canada. your ignorance is so profound I would swear that you have been living in a cave for your entire life. Wake up and absorb the press. Think for YOURSELF for once.

As for police, that time will come soon enough. With the new Law in place they have something to enforce. Next will be a budget to enforce it. The hammer WILL fall, of this I am certain.

The only point that you have been made is that you are ignorant to the facts. If that is how you want to leave it, fine. I would not blame you. your position is indefensible.




SirKenin -> RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 (6/27/2005 3:28:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: Tormentius

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Canada will never dare go against the US in this anyways. Not in a million years. Canada has too much to lose. They have been in the US' bad books for over a century. They had better not do anything else to piss off the US without VERY good reason if they know what is good for them. Our government almost buried us with their Iraqi war policy.


Just when I thought it couldn't get funnier. Canada is a sovereign nation and we make our own decisions (just as we did with the issue you mentioned). You won't see us following along withthe US in implementing this ridiculous law.

As for relations with the US the "US destroying Canada" point you made a couple posts up is one of the most comical things I've read in awhile. It really showcases the headspace you're in. Could they destroy Canada? Yes, definitely. Would they? Not a chance since there is no act of agression, only a sovereign nation making its own choices on governance.


Thank you for being the voice of reason Tormentius.

- LA


It is not the voice of reason at all. It is the voice of ignorance. The US is not going to destroy us with bombs. They are going to hit us where it hurts the most....O/our commerce.




Tormentius -> RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 (6/27/2005 3:30:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dark~angel

Can some people just please stop these personal attacks and condecending comments and nasty sarcasms?

It is really getting horrible and making everyone just look bitter and twisted.
We don't all have to agree, but could everyone just not agree in a civilised manner?

Apart from the fact its actually taking the focus of the original post and looking more like a Jerry Springer show.

Peace and Love


I hear what you're saying dark angel but not all of us like to put politeness above all else. I commend you for your beliefs in that matter but its not the way I personally am. If I disagree with something I'll comment on it. We're in complete agreement about this getting repetitive and looking more like a Springer episode though and that is why I left the debate in my last post.




KarbonCopy -> RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 (6/27/2005 3:30:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: KarbonCopy

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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ORIGINAL: MadameDahlia
Where do I sign up to become a Canadian? Oh happy days are just a boarder away...


This might help. http://www.marryanamerican.ca/

But Dahlia, I'll marry you (since we can do that here!) we'll drive all the boys insane and have them at our mercy ;)

- LA


Like that would be hard. We're not exactly a hard race to overcome.


Lol KarbonCopy - What race are you talking about? *Male* is not a race ;)

- LA


You think? well if thats your feelings about the inferior male race then FINE!




anthrosub -> RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 (6/27/2005 3:41:42 PM)

For those who may not be aware, I started a thread on Forum Bickering. You can post discussions there about this problem...or bicker. Either way, you'll never be off topic!

P.S. Maybe a little humor will help bring the heat down...eh?

anthrosub




quietkitten -> RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 (6/27/2005 3:45:19 PM)

This thread has spiralled out of control in my opinion so I am walking away from it.

I heartily disagree with some of the points made here, but clearly I don't have the ability to change anyones mind.. so I will just maintain my own beliefs.




LadyAngelika -> RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 (6/27/2005 4:10:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KarbonCopy
You think? well if thats your feelings about the inferior male race then FINE!

FYI - I don't consider the male gender inferior, I just like it on it's knees ;)

- LA




LadyAngelika -> RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 (6/27/2005 4:11:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin
It is not the voice of reason at all. It is the voice of ignorance.


What is that saying about people in glass houses and stones? Anyone?

- LA




KarbonCopy -> RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 (6/27/2005 4:22:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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ORIGINAL: KarbonCopy
You think? well if thats your feelings about the inferior male race then FINE!

FYI - I don't consider the male gender inferior, I just like it on it's knees ;)

- LA


Haha, Touche




SirKenin -> RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 (6/27/2005 4:28:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin
It is not the voice of reason at all. It is the voice of ignorance.


What is that saying about people in glass houses and stones? Anyone?

- LA



That might be a valid point if I was not able to prove that I did in fact have My facts straight. As it stands now, all it is is an ignorant flame.




SirKenin -> RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 (6/27/2005 4:36:43 PM)

*insert more Jerry Springer action here*

I do not know if A/anyone else is amused, but I am. This is fun. Heated debates rock.... lol




LadyAngelika -> RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 (6/27/2005 4:41:23 PM)

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That might be a valid point if I was not able to prove that I did in fact have My facts straight.


Why should I bother to do that when 80% of the posts on this thread did exactly that and you still won't see it. I know what my time is worth and it's not worth trying to make you see the light.

- LA

*Edited to say that the following post proves exactly this point. Where you get the patience Aakasha, I have no idea.*




SirKenin -> RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 (6/27/2005 4:48:43 PM)

Ok, I decided to look at some issues in the news that have helped build tensions between the United States and Canada

The salmon dispute
The water dispute
The cattle dispute
The lumber dispute
The trucking dispute
Not going to war in Iraq
Badmouthing the President in the House and on TV

And that was just a very quick search of the latest incidents. You can search Google yourself to find many more. If you search you can also find the articles on President Bush's reaction to the latest incidents.




LadyAngelika -> RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 (6/27/2005 5:05:50 PM)

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If you search you can also find the articles on President Bush's reaction to the latest incidents.


I don't give a RAT'S ASS about Shrub's reaction to these incidents! I'm a Canadian! I bet you most Americans care less about Shrub's opinion then you!

Ok. Lets end this Canada thing. I only mentioned Canada because I thought that perhaps we could house some of our US neighbour's stuff. Maybe it's possible, maybe not. I'm not going to trust Kenin's opinion given his track record of misinterpreting everything. But truly, this is not a debate about US & Canada. Though I am quite sure Canada will not develop such a law. Here is Québec, we have soft porn on late night local channels! How do you think I knew what a blowjob was at 13 years old? Gotta love sexual freedom.

- LA




SirKenin -> RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 (6/27/2005 5:26:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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I'm not going to trust Kenin's opinion given his track record of misinterpreting everything.


Considering you have failed to prove everything else, would you care to prove this, especially in light of the facts I have presented proving you wrong? Or would you, like Akasha, care to go off on another sidetrack. It is your clique you know. I would not be surprised.




SirKenin -> RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 (6/27/2005 5:28:14 PM)

Oh and Bush has not been the only example. That is only one President of many in the last 150 years.




ModeratorOne -> Take a deep breath and step back. (6/27/2005 7:03:10 PM)

Okay. I have left this thread alone because I thought it is something important that should be discussed. Any more flames going on and I will require every post to this thread be moderated or just pull it. It has gone too far. No more personal attacks!

ModOne




Faramir -> RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 (6/28/2005 7:30:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika


I don't give a RAT'S ASS about Shrub's reaction to these incidents! I'm a Canadian! I bet you most Americans care less about Shrub's opinion then you!

- LA


I wish people wouldn't call President Bush "Shrub."

I'm highly critical of President Bush's foreign policy. I can certainly understand how someone from another nation would be very dissatisfied with President Bush - having the leader of a very powerful nation say "I don't care what the rest of the world thinks" has got to be frustrating.

Still though - name calling in response to that dissatisfaction is juvenile. We can do better than call someone we disagree with "poopyhead." Demonizing your opposition doesn't help - you are already at odds, and it has the deleterous effect of making you unable to engage in nuanced criticism.

A thoughtful conservative can disagree with President Clinton on many subjects, but also see some good, and be part of a dialogue - the same with a thoughtful liberal who disagrees with President Bush. I can disagree vehenmently on foreign policy, applaud tax policy, and have a nuanced, mixed reaction to domestic policy (I might hate the Patriot act and love the desire to have more open borders, for example).

All you can do with "Slick Willy" and "Shrubbya" is jeer.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 (6/28/2005 8:25:32 AM)

OK, I'll bite. What good does a thoughtful liberal see in President Bush? I see one of the worst presidents in American history.

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ORIGINAL: Faramir

A thoughtful conservative can disagree with President Clinton on many subjects, but also see some good, and be part of a dialogue - the same with a thoughtful liberal who disagrees with President Bush.





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