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domiguy -> RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. (7/19/2007 1:30:21 PM)

There has to be some basis that is rational to start any discussion or you are just spinning our wheels.....Some people will say that 9-11 was a plan by our own gov't to engage the war in Iraq.....I will not participate in this discussion...It is beneath me....There is nothing to be gained....And my time is what will inevitably be lost because that person has reached a conclusion that is beyond reason.

Bush is a confirmed liar....I'm not talking about the info that led to war...Which obviously was horribly flawed at best....Manipulated at worst.  If you had an employee and he had Bush's history and you insisted that your employee was doing a good job....I think it would be fair to assume that your business is in dire shape.

You know Firmy...I've given this matter some thought and anyone who still believes that Bush is doing a good job...Is out of touch with reality.  And truly should not be engaged in conversation.....But for the sake of argument I would love for someone to enlighten me as to how they have reached the conclusion that Bush is a good President....And most importantly, overall has done a "good job."




FirmhandKY -> RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. (7/19/2007 1:38:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

I'm all ears....Tell me why someone could reach the decision that Bush is doing a good job?


domi, no offense but you and Sugar (and many others of your general belief patterns) are displaying attitudes that keep me firmly on the opposite side of the ideological equation.

First, you are both assuming an air of superiority that is ... unsettling, and is a reflection of what I think  runs throughout much of what is called "liberalism" in the US today.  Much as communist theology holds that "the people's vanguard" knows best what must be done for "the people", it's a receipe for totalitarianism that I and many on my side find abhorrent.

Second, is the inability to believe that any other opinion can possibly hold any validity at all.  If they don't agree with you, then it must be for one of four reasons:

1.  They are stupid (see my above comments), or
2.  They are being deceived (actually just another way of saying they are stupid), or
3. They are evil, or
4.  They are mentally unbalanced.

Nowhere is there any possiblities in your mind that they may not be any of these things, that they have valid reasons, and valid philosophical and logical arguments for their positions.

This is one of the big reasons that political discussion in the US is one of "personal destruction".

You can see how Bush is handled by people who oppose him, and the media.  He is either evil (Bushilter), stupid (monkeyboy et al), deceived (Rove's and Cheney's dupe) or mentally unbalanced.

I disagree with many of Bush's decisions, just as I disagreed with many of Clinton's before him, but I never thought Clinton was the personification of any of the things that people call Bush.

Cause I try to listen, and understand why people act and believe what they do.  I attempt to actually listen and talk.

I'd highly recommend it.

FirmKY

edited: spelling




FirmhandKY -> RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. (7/19/2007 1:41:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

You know Firmy...I've given this matter some thought and anyone who still believes that Bush is doing a good job...Is out of touch with reality.  And truly should not be engaged in conversation.....


I was writing my above post while you were posting your last.

Perfect example of what I was talking about:
... out of touch with reality.  And truly should not be engaged in conversation

4.  They are mentally unbalanced.

FirmKY




domiguy -> RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. (7/19/2007 1:44:50 PM)

Let me repeat...Then someone make the case as to how Bush is doing a good job....I don't think it can rationally be done...Without showing some extreme bias.

I think Clinton was an A-hole. Who was a liar...And we deserve more from our President.

Someone please explain how Bush is doing a good job!




FirmhandKY -> RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. (7/19/2007 2:04:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

Let me repeat...Then someone make the case as to how Bush is doing a good job....I don't think it can rationally be done...Without showing some extreme bias.

I think Clinton was an A-hole. Who was a liar...And we deserve more from our President.

Someone please explain how Bush is doing a good job!


Well, taking the Devil's Advocate for this case, I think someone could easily say:

1.  The economy is going great because of his policies,
2.  He has successfully foiled any followup terrorists attacks in the US since 9/11,
3.  He has appointed better Supreme Court Justices than any President for a while,
4.  He has steadfastly projected American power around the world since assuming office, recovering from a Clinton period of "paper tigerism" (remember the bombing ,
of the milk factory?)
5.  He has managed to do all of this despite massive opposition and personal attacks on his character and decisions from the left, and the media.

Depending on what else such a person might value, I could think of several other arguments that he is "doing a good job".

Is this really so hard for you?

FirmKY




Lordandmaster -> RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. (7/19/2007 2:07:48 PM)

Instead of criticizing people for how they converse (your favorite tactic), why not respond to what he said?

Tell him how someone could reach the conclusion that Bush is doing a good job.  That's what he asked for.

We're all ears.

(My private theory, by the way, is that the 34% who said he's doing a good job were the lugnuts who clicked the wrong box because they can't read/can't use a mouse.  I'm sure Firmhand thinks that's an arrogant theory.)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

I'm all ears....Tell me why someone could reach the decision that Bush is doing a good job?


domi, no offense but you and Sugar (and many others of your general belief patterns) are displaying attitudes that keep me firmly on the opposite side of the ideological equation.

First, you are both assuming an air of superiority that is ... unsettling, and is a reflection of what I think  runs throughout much of what is called "liberalism" in the US today.  Much as communist theology holds that "the people's vanguard" knows best what must be done for "the people", it's a receipe for totalitarianism that I and many on my side find abhorrent.

Second, is the inability to believe that any other opinion can possibly hold any validity at all.  If they don't agree with you, then it must be for one of four reasons:

1.  They are stupid (see my above comments), or
2.  They are being deceived (actually just another way of saying they are stupid), or
3. They are evil, or
4.  They are mentally unbalanced.

Nowhere is there any possiblities in your mind that they may not be any of these things, that they have valid reasons, and valid philosophical and logical arguments for their positions.

This is one of the big reasons that political discussion in the US is one of "personal destruction".

You can see how Bush is handled by people who oppose him, and the media.  He is either evil (Bushilter), stupid (monkeyboy et al), deceived (Rove's and Cheney's dupe) or mentally unbalanced.

I disagree with many of Bush's decisions, just as I disagreed with many of Clinton's before him, but I never though Clinton was the personification of any of the things that people call Bush.

Cause I try to listen, and understand why people act and believe what they do.  I attempt to actually listen and talk.

I'd highly recommend it.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. (7/19/2007 2:11:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Instead of criticizing people for how they converse (your favorite tactic), why not respond to what he said?

Tell him how someone could reach the conclusion that Bush is doing a good job.  That's what he asked for.

We're all ears.

(My private theory, by the way, is that the 34% who said he's doing a good job were the lugnuts who clicked the wrong box because they can't read/can't use a mouse.  I'm sure Firmhand thinks that's an arrogant theory.)


I beat you to it, Lam.  Look up.

And yes, I find that attitude to be the very arrogance that I am talking about.

Arrogant as hell, as a matter of fact.

I generally don't find domiguy arrogant, which is why he and I can have conversations without it almost immediately devolving into acromony, which is why I'm surprised at his inability to overcome his block on this.

From you, I generally expect arrogance.

FirmKY




Lordandmaster -> RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. (7/19/2007 2:14:38 PM)

All right, I see.

I stopped reading at No. 1: "The economy is going great."  But intelligent minds can disagree.

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I beat you to it, Lam.  Look up.




cyberdude611 -> RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. (7/19/2007 2:16:19 PM)

What is funny about these polls is that when asked if people approve of congress, no one seems to be happy. Yet when asked about their represenatives, they approve of them. It's odd.

It seems everyone hates the direction of congress and hates everyone elses representative....but approves of their own. Maybe that is the way it is supposed to be....

What this means however is that the makeup of the congress is unlikely to change anytime soon.




ShadowMster -> RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. (7/19/2007 2:19:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

I'm all ears....Tell me why someone could reach the decision that Bush is doing a good job?


domi, no offense but you and Sugar (and many others of your general belief patterns) are displaying attitudes that keep me firmly on the opposite side of the ideological equation.

[...]

Cause I try to listen, and understand why people act and believe what they do.  I attempt to actually listen and talk.

I'd highly recommend it.

FirmKY



The one thing I see over and over, and I honestly hear more and more from the pro-bush camp, tends to be the name calling.  The comments about President Clinton being so bad because he got a blow job in the whitehouse, then when asked if he had sex, he said no.  (not sex, just a blow job).

I'm not saying that the Democrats are good and republicans bad.  Please don't read that in what I type.  Instead, I'm saying that I see more and more of a division of each side.  It used to be that you had this radical extreamist nature (on both sides) that was maybe 20% (20% republican, and 20% democrat), and now it seems more like the extreams have grown and when you join that extream camp, you are required to loose all touch with any other view. 

Democrats will tell you that Bush is evil because of teh lies around the war. I personally think he has lost touch or has a problem admitting he may have been wrong, but not that he is evil.

Republicans will point to things like Hillary having a more liberal voting record then Kennedy.  That Kerry changed his mind as the polls suggested he should. 

Perhaps all of these are true, but both camps have made personal view, and not planned actions, the focus.  To this, I say the republicans have managed to stay in power dispite what many (onboth sides of the isle) think are problems that need to be corrected but are not, because of the flame war over people and not a discussion of more of a fact based reporting.





FirmhandKY -> RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. (7/19/2007 2:30:58 PM)

Shadow,

A short hand method to look at how people break down in political opinions is the old 1/3 - 1/3 -1/3 paradigm.

1/3 of people are generally "on the right". 

1/3 of people are generally "in the middle".

1/3 of people are generally "on the left".

That's one of the reasons for Bush's 34% approval ratings, because it's his core constituency.

When a figure or institution goes below their 1/3 core group, they are having serious problems.

The 1/3 rule is also why the big political races are usually determined by the "moderate" middle third.

During the last election, Congresses approval rating was about 1/3 as well.  Today, it's at 14%, which indicates a "serious problem".

Since Congress is controlled by the Dem's, (with a lot ... a LOT ... of press about it when they won), then indications are not good for their return to power in the next general election.

I will disagree with your comment that most of the insults come from the "pro Bush" side of the political spectrum, however.  While neither side has a monopoly on insults, I've found that the further left you go, the more you tend to find people who are willing to use emotion rather than logic, and consider themselves themselves "intellectual superior" to the rest of humanity.

Tends to bred contempt, and resulting insults when they are challenged.

FirmKY




MusicalBoredom -> RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. (7/19/2007 2:53:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy


Someone please explain how Bush is doing a good job!


Presidential goals that make Bush a great president:

1. Reduce our spending by getting rid of that silly concept of three branches of government and balance of power.  It's much more efficient to make any decision you want and hire an attorney to justify it.
2. Reinforce good traditional family values such as "Because I'm the dad I said so" and "my dad can beat up your dad."
3. Strengthen the economy by setting interest rates and relaxing banking policies to allow for the buying up of cheap "bad neighborhood" housing and doubling the price so that we can keep those unsavory ghetto types out of sight and in the ghetto.
4. Putting silly notions such as science, research and environmental protection in the trash where it belongs so that we can make sure we allow industry to grow and make money.
5. Protect our constitutional right for every single American to drive a HUGE SUV by themselves to ensure that those oil leases actually produce money in Texas.
6. Protect the jobs of all those poor insurance company execs by making sure only private and expensive health insurance is available to us Americans since we are all either rich or too lazy to be rich.
7. Bolster the economy by making sure our fighting men have a place to fight and need more equipment.

I could go on and on but I think I'll stop here.




philosophy -> RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. (7/19/2007 3:49:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
1.  The economy is going great because of his policies,
2.  He has successfully foiled any followup terrorists attacks in the US since 9/11,
3.  He has appointed better Supreme Court Justices than any President for a while,
4.  He has steadfastly projected American power around the world since assuming office, recovering from a Clinton period of "paper tigerism" (remember the bombing ,
of the milk factory?)
5.  He has managed to do all of this despite massive opposition and personal attacks on his character and decisions from the left, and the media.
\


1. Balance of payments? Return to deficit spending?
2. Really? So no US citizens have been hurt in terrorist incidents?
3. From what i read all he's done is place judges who agree with his constituency, not the country as a whole.
4. American power? Oh come on, he's presided over the biggest srop in the American reputation worldwide since Vietnam. If all you mean by power is guns then maybe you're right, but power is much more than mere capacity for mindless violence.
5. So, it's all down to him because he ignored anyone who disagreed with him.

You finished by saying that there were other reasons, perhaps you could list them. Hopefully they'll be a bit less equivocal than the last five.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. (7/19/2007 3:54:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: philosophy

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
1.  The economy is going great because of his policies,
2.  He has successfully foiled any followup terrorists attacks in the US since 9/11,
3.  He has appointed better Supreme Court Justices than any President for a while,
4.  He has steadfastly projected American power around the world since assuming office, recovering from a Clinton period of "paper tigerism" (remember the bombing ,
of the milk factory?)
5.  He has managed to do all of this despite massive opposition and personal attacks on his character and decisions from the left, and the media.
\


1. Balance of payments? Return to deficit spending?
2. Really? So no US citizens have been hurt in terrorist incidents?
3. From what i read all he's done is place judges who agree with his constituency, not the country as a whole.
4. American power? Oh come on, he's presided over the biggest srop in the American reputation worldwide since Vietnam. If all you mean by power is guns then maybe you're right, but power is much more than mere capacity for mindless violence.
5. So, it's all down to him because he ignored anyone who disagreed with him.

You finished by saying that there were other reasons, perhaps you could list them. Hopefully they'll be a bit less equivocal than the last five.


You are suffering from the same disease as the rest of em, philo.  [:)]

FirmKY




philosophy -> RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. (7/19/2007 3:56:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: philosophy

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
1.  The economy is going great because of his policies,
2.  He has successfully foiled any followup terrorists attacks in the US since 9/11,
3.  He has appointed better Supreme Court Justices than any President for a while,
4.  He has steadfastly projected American power around the world since assuming office, recovering from a Clinton period of "paper tigerism" (remember the bombing ,
of the milk factory?)
5.  He has managed to do all of this despite massive opposition and personal attacks on his character and decisions from the left, and the media.
\


1. Balance of payments? Return to deficit spending?
2. Really? So no US citizens have been hurt in terrorist incidents?
3. From what i read all he's done is place judges who agree with his constituency, not the country as a whole.
4. American power? Oh come on, he's presided over the biggest srop in the American reputation worldwide since Vietnam. If all you mean by power is guns then maybe you're right, but power is much more than mere capacity for mindless violence.
5. So, it's all down to him because he ignored anyone who disagreed with him.

You finished by saying that there were other reasons, perhaps you could list them. Hopefully they'll be a bit less equivocal than the last five.


You are suffering from the same disease as the rest of em, philo.  [:)]

FirmKY



...awww, go on. Give us some more reasons as to why you admire what Bush has done for the US. i just got bitten by a spider and i could use a laugh.




kittinSol -> RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. (7/19/2007 4:07:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

Let me repeat...Then someone make the case as to how Bush is doing a good job....I don't think it can rationally be done...Without showing some extreme bias.

I think Clinton was an A-hole. Who was a liar...And we deserve more from our President.

Someone please explain how Bush is doing a good job!


Well, taking the Devil's Advocate for this case, I think someone could easily say:

1.  The economy is going great because of his policies,
2.  He has successfully foiled any followup terrorists attacks in the US since 9/11,
3.  He has appointed better Supreme Court Justices than any President for a while,
4.  He has steadfastly projected American power around the world since assuming office, recovering from a Clinton period of "paper tigerism" (remember the bombing ,
of the milk factory?)
5.  He has managed to do all of this despite massive opposition and personal attacks on his character and decisions from the left, and the media.

Depending on what else such a person might value, I could think of several other arguments that he is "doing a good job".

Is this really so hard for you?

FirmKY



Well, nothing from the list above speaks to me about how good a president Bush is. You state why you think he is a great guy, and I wish you the best of luck with that, but it's subjective, to say the least.

I agree with you on one point though: he has successfully managed to throw America's weight around, thus terrifying the entire planet about what was once a great country.




kittinSol -> RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. (7/19/2007 4:09:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

You are suffering from the same disease as the rest of em, philo.  [:)]

FirmKY



Could it be that the majority's right for once? [:-]




losttreasure -> RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. (7/19/2007 4:13:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

Let me repeat...Then someone make the case as to how Bush is doing a good job....I don't think it can rationally be done...Without showing some extreme bias.

I think Clinton was an A-hole. Who was a liar...And we deserve more from our President.

Someone please explain how Bush is doing a good job!


Domi, I certainly don't agree with everything President Bush has done while in office but I am open-minded enough to recognize that in seven years he has done some good.   For that matter, my open-mindedness extends to acknowledging that even former President Clinton (who I feel was a very poor President) had his good points, too.

The following is a not-so-brief list of accomplishments that might answer your question as to how anyone could think President Bush is doing a good job.  Please keep in mind that while you might not consider all of these accomplishments as good, they are for those individuals who support this political agenda.


Budget, Taxes & Economy

Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.

Supports permanent elimination of the death tax.

Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks.

Is seeking legislation to amend the Constitution to give the president line-item veto authority.

In process of permanently eliminating IRS marriage penalty.

Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people.

Initiated discussion on privatizing Social Security and individual investment accounts.

Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules would have shut down every home business in America.

Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals.

Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains.

Signed trade promotion authority.

Reduced and is working to ultimately eliminate the estate tax for family farms and ranches.

Fight Europe's ban on importing biotech crops from the United States.

Exempt food from unilateral trade sanctions and embargoes.

Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities work from home.

Created a fund to encourage technologies that help the disabled.

Increased the annual contribution limit on Education IRA's from $500 to $2,000 per child.

Make permanent the $5,000 adoption tax credit and provide $1 billion over five years to increase the credit to $10,000.

Grant a complete tax exemption for prepaid or college tuition savings plans.

Reduced H1B visas from a high of 195,000 per year to 66,000 per year.

Education & Employment Training

Signed the No Child Left Behind Act, delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations). The very liberal California Teachers union is currently running radio ads against the accountability provisions of this Act.

Announced "Jobs for the 21st Century," a comprehensive plan to better prepare workers for jobs in the new millennium by strengthening post-secondary education and job training, and by improving high school education.

Is working to provide vouchers to low-income students in persistently failing schools to help with costs of attending private schools. (Blocked in the Senate.)

Requires annual reading and math tests in grades three through eight.

Requires states to participate in the National Assessment of Education Progress, or an equivalent program, to establish a national benchmark for academic performance.

Requires school-by-school accountability report cards.

Established a $2.4 billion fund to help states implement teacher accountability systems.

Increased funding for the Troops-to-Teachers program, which recruits former military personnel to to become teachers.

Environment & Energy

Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty.

Submitted a comprehensive Energy Plan (awaits Congressional action). The plan works to develop cleaner technology, produce more natural gas here at home, make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy, improve national grid, etc.

Established a $10 million grant program to promote private conservation initiatives.

Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.

Changed parts of the Forestry Management Act to allow necessary cleanup of the national forests in order to reduce fire danger.

Part of national forests cleanup: Restricted judicial challenges (based on the Endangered Species Act and other challenges), and removed the need for an Environmental Impact Statement before removing fuels/logging to reduce fire danger.

Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California.

Provided matching grants for state programs that help private landowners protect rare species.

Defense & Foreign Policy

Successfully executed two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom.

Saddam Hussein is now dead. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured.

Leader by leader and member by member, al Qaida is being hunted down in dozens of countries around the world. Of the senior al Qaida leaders, operational managers, and key facilitators the U.S. Government has been tracking, nearly two-thirds have been taken into custody or killed. The detentions or deaths of senior al Qaida leaders, including Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, the mastermind of 9/11, and Muhammad Atef, Osama bin Laden's second-in-command until his death in late 2001, have been important in the War on Terror.

Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's without bribes or bloodshed.

Continues to execute the War On Terror, getting worldwide cooperation to track funds/terrorists. Has cut off much of the terrorists' funding, and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network.

Initiated a comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, and which accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE capabilities were critical in the 21st Century.

Killed the old US/Soviet Union ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses.

Has been one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever hand in the U.S. presidency.

Part of the coalition for an Israeli/Palestinian "Roadmap to Peace," along with Great Britain, Russia and the EU.

Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year.

Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia.

Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia, and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ.

Prohibited putting U.S. troops under U.N. command.

Paid back UN dues only in return for reforms and reduction of U.S. share of the costs.

Earmarked at least 20 percent of the Defense procurement budget for next-generation weaponry.

Increased defense research and development spending by at least $20 billion from fiscal 2002 to 2006.

Ordered a comprehensive review of military weapons and strategy.

Ordered a review of overseas deployments.

Ordered renovation of military housing. The military has already upgraded about 10 percent of its inventory and expects to modernize 76,000 additional homes this year.

Is working to tighten restrictions on military-technology exports.

Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed.

Globalization & Internationalism

Challenged the United Nations to live up to their responsibilities and not become another League of Nations (in other words, showed the UN to be completely irrelevant).

Killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court.

Told the United Nations we weren't interested in their plans for gun control (i.e., the International Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty).*

The only President since the founding of the UN to essentially tell that organization it is irrelevant. He said: "The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations, and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a decade of UN demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a test, and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant?" We all know the outcome and the answer.

Told the Congress and the world, "America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country."

Government Reform

Improved government efficiency by putting hundreds of thousands of jobs put up for bid. This weakens public-sector unions and cuts undeserved pay raises.

Initiated review of all federal agencies with the goal of eliminating federal jobs (completed September 2003) in an effort to reduce the size of the federal government while increasing private sector jobs.

Led the most extensive reorganization the Federal bureaucracy in over 50 years: After 9/11, condensed 20+ overlapping agencies and their intelligence sectors into one agency, the Department of Homeland Security.*

Ordered each agency to draft a five-year plan to restructure itself, with fewer managers.

Converted federal service contracts to performance-based contracts wherever possible so that the contractor has measurable performance goals.

Health

Strengthen the National Health Service Corps to put more physicians in the neediest areas, and make its scholarship funds tax-free.

Double the research budget of the National Institutes of Health.

Signed Medicare Reform, which includes:

A 10-year privatization option.

Prescription drug benefits: Prior to this reform, Medicare paid for extended hospital stays for ulcer surgery, for example, at a cost of about $28,000 per patient. Yet Medicare would not pay for the drugs that eliminate the cause of most ulcers, drugs that cost about $500 a year. Now, drug coverage under Medicare will allow seniors to replace more expensive surgeries and hospitalizations with less expensive prescription medicine.

More health care choices: As President Bush stated, "…when seniors have the ability to make choices, health care plans within Medicare will have to compete for their business by offering higher quality service [at lower cost]. For the seniors of America, more choices and more control will mean better health care. These are the kinds of health care options we give to the members of Congress and federal employees. What's good for members of Congress is also good for seniors.

New Health Savings Accounts: Effective January 1, 2004, Americans can set aside up to $4,500 every year, tax free, to save for medical expenses. Depending on your tax bracket, that means you'll save between 10 to 35 percent on any costs covered by money in your account. Every year, the money not spent would stay in the account and gain interest tax-free, just like an IRA. These accounts will be good for small business owners, and employees. More businesses can focus on covering workers for major medical problems, such as hospitalization for an injury or illness. At the same time, employees and their families will use these accounts to cover doctors visits, or lab tests, or other smaller costs. Some employers will contribute to employee health accounts. This will help more American families get the health care they need at the price they can afford.

Homeland Security, Border Enforcement & Immigration

*See Government Reform above. Under President Bush's leadership, America has made an unprecedented commitment to homeland security.

Has CONSTRUCTION in process on the first 10 ABM silos in Alaska so that America will have a defense against North Korean nukes. Has ordered national and theater ballistic missile defenses to be deployed by 2004.

Announced a 9.7% increase in government-wide homeland security funding in his FY 2005 budget, nearly tripling the FY 2001 levels (excluding the Department of Defense and Project BioShield).

Before DHS was created, there were inspectors from three different agencies of the Federal Government and Border Patrol officers protecting our borders. Through DHS, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) now consolidates all border activities into a single agency to create "one face at the border." This not only better secures the borders of the United States, but it also eliminates many of the inefficiencies that occurred under the old system. With over 18,000 CBP inspectors and 11,000 Border Patrol agents, CBP has 29,000 uniformed officers on our borders.

The Border Patrol is continuing installation of monitoring devices along the borders to detect illegal activity.

Launched Operation Tarmac to investigate businesses and workers in the secure areas of domestic airports and ensure immigration law compliance. Since 9/11, DHS has audited 3,640 businesses, examined 259,037 employee records, arrested 1,030 unauthorized workers, and participated in the criminal indictment of 774 individuals.

Since September 11, 2001, the Coast Guard has conducted more than 124,000 port security patrols, 13,000 air patrols, boarded more than 92,000 vessels, interdicted over 14,000 individuals attempting to enter the United States illegally, and created and maintained more than 90 Maritime Security Zones.

Announced the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS), an internet-based system that is improving America's ability to track and monitor foreign students and exchange visitors. Over 870,000 students are registered in SEVIS. Of 285 completed field investigations, 71 aliens were arrested.

This week, the US-VISIT program began to digitally collect biometric identifiers to record the entry and exit of aliens who travel into the U.S on a visa. Together with the standard information, this new program will confirm compliance with visa and immigration policies.

Eliminated INS bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability.

Split the Immigration and Naturalization Service into two agencies: one to protect the border and interior, the other to deal with naturalization.

Signed the workplace verification bill to prevent hiring of illegal aliens.

Established a six-month deadline for processing immigration applications.

Information regarding nearly 100% of all containerized cargo is carefully screened by DHS before it arrives in the United States. Higher risk shipments are physically inspected for terrorist weapons and contraband prior to being released from the port of entry. Advanced technologies are being deployed to identify warning signs of chemical, biological, or radiological attacks. Since September 11, 2001, hundreds of thousands of first responders across America have been trained to recognize and respond to the effects of a WMD attack.

Judiciary & Tort Reform

Is urging federal liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits.

Killed the liberal ABA's unconstitutional role in vetting federal judges. The Senate is supposed to advise and consent, not the ABA.

Is nominating strong, conservative judges to the judiciary.

Supports class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money goes to victims.

Politics

His leadership resulted in Republican gains in the House and Senate, solidifying Republican control of both houses of Congress and the presidency.

Signed an EO enforcing the Supreme Court's Beck decision regarding union dues being used for political campaigns against individual's wishes.

Second Amendment

Ordered Attorney General Ashcroft to formally notify the Supreme Court that the OFFICIAL U.S. government position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports INDIVIDUAL rights to own firearms, and is NOT a Leftist-imagined "collective" right.

Signed TWO bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the cockpit.

Currently pushing for full immunity from lawsuits for our national gun manufacturers.

*See Globalization & Internationalism.

Traditional Values, Compassion & Volunteerism

Endorses and promotes "The Responsibility Era." President Bush often speaks of the necessity of personal responsibility and civic volunteerism. He said, "In a compassionate society, people respect one another and take responsibility for the decisions they make in life. My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if it feels good, do it; if you've got a problem, blame somebody else — to one in which every single American understands that he or she is responsible for the decisions that you make; you're responsible for loving your children with all your heart and all your soul; you're responsible for being involved with the quality of the education of your children; you're responsible for making sure the community in which you live is safe; you're responsible for loving your neighbor, just like you would like to be loved yourself."

Started the USA Freedom Corps, the most comprehensive clearinghouse of volunteer opportunities ever offered. For the first time in history, Americans can enter geographic information about where they want to get involved, such as state or zip code, as well as areas of interest ranging from education to the environment, and they can access volunteer opportunities offered by more than 50,000 organizations across the country and around the world.

Established the The White House Office and the Centers for the Faith-Based and Community Initiative — located in seven Federal agencies. The faith-based initiative supports the essential work of these important organizations. The goal is to make sure that grassroots leaders can compete on an equal footing for federal dollars, receive greater private support, and face fewer bureaucratic barriers. Work focuses on at-risk youth, ex-offenders, the homeless and hungry, substance abusers, those with HIV/AIDS, and welfare-to-work families.

The White House released a guidebook fully describing the Administration's belief that faith-based groups have a Constitutionally-protected right to maintain their religious identity through hiring — even when Federal funds are involved.

Issued an EO implementing the Supreme Court's Olmstead ruling, which requires moving disabled people from institutions to community-based facilities when possible.

Increased funding for low-interest loan programs to help people with disabilities purchase devices to assist them.

Revised the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Section 8 rent subsidies to disabled people, permitting them to use up to a year's worth of vouchers to finance down payments on homes. HUD has started pilot programs in 11 states.

Committed US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men, women and children now suffering with AIDS in Africa.

Please note that some of the above may be out-of-date and I'm certainly not about to try to defend any that you may disagree with.  This is from a list created by supporters of Bush and as they aren't here to tell you why they feel the President is doing a good job, I thought I'd let their words speak for them.




farglebargle -> RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. (7/19/2007 4:13:42 PM)

It doesn't matter what an ALLEGED FELON's poll numbers are at? i

If you are FOR LAW AND ORDER, then you need to be FOR THE ARREST, ARRAIGNMENT AND TRIAL of the alleged felon.

If your a bleeding heart who is soft on crime, then you support Bush.





losttreasure -> RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. (7/19/2007 4:21:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: philosophy

...awww, go on. Give us some more reasons as to why you admire what Bush has done for the US.


quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

...You state why you think he is a great guy...


I'm not sure what you were reading, but this is what FirmhandKY said:

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Well, taking the Devil's Advocate for this case, I think someone could easily say...


Do either of you know what a "Devil's Advocate" is?

In case you don't, it is a person who advocates an opposing or unpopular cause for the sake of argument or to expose it to a thorough examination. 








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