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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/20/2007 8:03:34 AM

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One can additionally call to attention the fact that there is hardly intellectual debate on this thread; as always, it is purely emotional with duplicitous facades of intellect.

... it is purely emotional with duplicitous facades of intellect.

... says the King of the obtuse pseudo-intellectualism.

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/20/2007 8:31:55 AM

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Bush supporters *do* sound like beaten housewives defending their drunken, abusive spouses....

That's what it is!

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/20/2007 8:33:03 AM

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One can additionally call to attention the fact that there is hardly intellectual debate on this thread; as always, it is purely emotional with duplicitous facades of intellect.

... it is purely emotional with duplicitous facades of intellect.

... says the King of the obtuse pseudo-intellectualism.

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That wasn't very nice now, was it?

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/20/2007 8:34:37 AM

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So while I do think we have to hold politicians accountable and voice our opinions as to what we think and what to do about it, at some point we have to take responsibility for our own actions and clean up the messes that we as a people make.

...fair point. Would you agree that 'cleaning up the messes' includes those messes created by the way people vote?

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/20/2007 8:40:21 AM

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That wasn't very nice now, was it?

Maybe not, but accurate and on topic.

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/20/2007 8:45:43 AM

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Ok, genuine question regarding the OP.
All stats are meaningless without a baseline to compare them with, i'm sure you're aware of this. So, in that light, does the office of the President usually poll at the same level of popularity as Congress? If usually the President is four times as popular as Congress then the OP's stat shows a decline, if usually they poll at the same level then it is a gain. If we don't know, then the stat is meaningless and supports no position.

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/20/2007 8:46:33 AM

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71% and Robert Oppenheimer.

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/20/2007 8:50:57 AM

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...fair point. Would you agree that 'cleaning up the messes' includes those messes created by the way people vote?

I absolutely agree that voting is one the personal responsibilities. I wish more people would talk, debate, defend and listen to other and make clear decisions as elections come around. I wish all voters would engage in frank discussions as to what they want, why they want it and how it can be accomplished. I would hope during those discussion people would from time to time say "I see your point" or "I never thought of that." Maybe if we actually took the time to participate in the entire political process we might have good candidates to choose from and make informed decisions as to who we want in office and why we want them. We might also hold them accountable to the goals we set during the election process.

However, I'm afraid that most will simply watch the process as though it were some bizarre new reality TV show -- standing in line to cheer or lambaste whoever is popular or unpopular at the moment simply because it's the popular course to take.

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/20/2007 8:55:50 AM

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However, I'm afraid that most will simply watch the process as though it were some bizarre new reality TV show -- standing in line to cheer or lambaste whoever is popular or unpopular at the moment simply because it's the popular course to take.

...i tend to agree. What can possibly be done about this state of affairs? It's been this way for to damn long. From my long range perspective it seems to me that the Kerry v Bush campaign was lost for Kerry because he simply came across as less personable than Bush. More awkward, less photogenic.
Is it time for Western Democracies to find another way of campaigning? To make elections about issues rather than personalities? How can this be done?

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/20/2007 8:57:10 AM

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71% and Robert Oppenheimer.

29% and Nelson Mandela

It's a zero sum game?

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/20/2007 9:00:35 AM

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How can ANY congress get anything accomplished with a President that vetoes and uses signature statements at his whim and ignores the wishes of the people of America?

I agree with Murtha... he's demented. This whole situation reminds me of Hitler in his last days fighting Russia. "We will be VICTORIOUS"!!! All that is left now is him bombing his own country as Hitler bombed Berlin " to keep the enemy from having it"

What is it going to take you die-hard republicans to wake UP!?

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/20/2007 9:01:48 AM

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It is polarized out here, no doubt. There is absolutely no chance of a win-win, phil.

Know whatta mean, Vern?

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/20/2007 9:04:18 AM

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From my long range perspective it seems to me that the Kerry v Bush campaign was lost for Kerry because he simply came across as less personable than Bush. More awkward, less photogenic.

I beg to disagree, I actually though Kerry was rather handsome, and I liked the way he talked. The fact that he speaks French made him even more endearing in my eyes, he he... The man's definitely a patrician: I think that's what could have played in his disfavour. He made the majority of the electorate feel inferior and inadequate.

A sure sign that many people have serious self-esteem issues and that they vote with their arseholes, not their heads

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/20/2007 9:08:28 AM

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'fraid i do........

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/20/2007 9:10:42 AM

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The fact that he speaks French made him even more endearing in my eyes, he he...

freedom fries anyone?

sadly, i'm not sure that being polylingual is an asset in US elections, and that's a whole world of wrong right there........

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/20/2007 9:17:22 AM

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How can this be done?

I'm afraid it's like trying to change the course of an ocean-liner barreling down the icy slopes of Everest. It can be done but it takes a great deal of concerted effort. It also takes the desire from a lot of people to change it's course.

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/20/2007 9:41:03 AM

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Obviously, it wasn't a bonus point for Kerry that he spoke French. As a matter of fact, I heard he tried to hide it from the electorate, so he was fully aware that he knew too much !

It's hard to believe that a presidential candidate could have been berrated for knowing a foreign language. I find that... unfuckingbelievable.

But all's possible in the land of the free.

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/20/2007 9:58:06 AM

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Did you read the rest of the article, or did you stop right there? Tenet contradicts himself. That's the whole point.

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This is the first paragraph of your link LAM, why are you lying about what Tenet says? You can try to make the case that Tenet is a liar, but it is technically lying to lie about his position. Why do you feel the need to resort to such tactics to make your point?

" How we got into Iraq is the great open question of the decade but George Tenet in his memoir of his seven years running the Central Intelligence Agency takes his sweet time working his way around to it. He hesitates because he has much to explain: the claims made by Tenet's CIA with "high confidence" that Iraq was dangerously armed all proved false. But mistakes are one thing, excusable even when serious; inexcusable would be charges of collusion in deceiving Congress and the public to make war possible. Tenet's overriding goal in his carefully written book is to deny "that we somehow cooked the books" about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. If he says it once he says it a dozen times. "We told the president what we did on Iraq WMD because we believed it.""

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/20/2007 10:09:57 AM

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73% and Robert Oppenheimer.

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/20/2007 10:13:40 AM

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well, then the scepter denoting kingship of pseudo-intellect is clearly yours.

I am not as I seem, and the reason is; the way it is being done, and under what circumstances, and by who is making alot of distortion in the image.

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