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Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/19/2007 9:59:09 AM   
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In the national survey of 1,012 likely voters, taken July 12 through July 14, about 66 percent said Bush had done only a fair or poor job as president, with 34 percent ranking his performance as excellent or good.

That is up slightly from his low of 30 percent in early March and in line with other national polls showing Bush's approval ratings lingering at or near historically low levels amid continued chaos and bloodshed in Iraq.

But the marks for Congress, mired in gridlock over a series of partisan political battles after Democrats took power in the 2006 elections, continued to drop.

While 83 percent said Congress was doing a fair or poor job, just 14 percent rated it excellent or good.

And some of ya'll don't think that the Repub's have a chance in the next elections?  uh huh.

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/19/2007 10:01:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Amazing how you can take an article that begins with this:

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Most U.S. voters think the country is on the wrong track and remain deeply unhappy with President George W. Bush and Congress, but still feel good about their finances and optimistic about the future, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.
Eighteen months before Bush leaves the White House, nearly two-thirds of Americans say the country is headed in the wrong direction and give the president negative marks for his job performance.


--and turn it into good news for the Republican Party.

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/19/2007 10:08:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		It goes to show what type of morons we have in this country where 34% of the population thinks Bush is doing a bang up job.

I think people's view of Congress is dead on......I don't see a relationship between how we view congress as to how the populace is going to vote for any given candidate in the future.  The view of Congress was not very high when the Dems were elected into the majority.

I do believe if we continue to see votes cast in the manner that they were the other night that this does not bode well for Reps and we will see more and more of them jump ship to the 'Get out of Iraq" platform or come up with ideas of exit that will be in direct contrast to the views held by this administration.

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/19/2007 10:23:12 AM   
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It goes to show what type of morons we have in this country where 34% of the population thinks Bush is doing a bang up job.

I think people's view of Congress is dead on......I don't see a relationship between how we view congress as to how the populace is going to vote for any given candidate in the future.  The view of Congress was not very high when the Dems were elected into the majority.

I do believe if we continue to see votes cast in the manner that they were the other night that this does not bode well for Reps and we will see more and more of them jump ship to the 'Get out of Iraq" platform or come up with ideas of exit that will be in direct contrast to the views held by this administration..


I think the winning issue will be candidates who can effectively convince the public that they aren't "Washington Insiders", regardless of which party.

However, that being said, since the Dem's officially control Congress, it's much easier for Repubs to convince many voters that "a change, any change" is better than electing another Dem controlled Congress.

As far as your observation that the public estimation of the quality of service provided by the earlier Repub controlled Congress wasn't very high ... it was more than twice as high as it currently is, and slightly higher than Bush's poll numbers.

As for your "moron" comment ... I think you are unnecessarily demonizing anyone who supports Bush.  Not conducive to conducting open and honest discussions about politics, I'm afraid.

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/19/2007 10:25:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Amazing how you can take an article that begins with this:

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--and turn it into good news for the Republican Party.


Did I hurt your feelings, LaM? 

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/19/2007 10:27:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lam, one usually has to read the whole article.  When dealing with Media like Reuters or openly biased Polsters like Zogby, the first paragraph or 2 is often misleading, and the whole article must be read.  They know that many people just skim the first 2 paragraphs and go to the next article.

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/19/2007 10:28:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK, OK, you guys are right.  Two thirds of the population thinks the president is doing a bad job, but I'm wrong about that, because if you read the whole article you discover that one third thinks he's doing a great job!

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/19/2007 10:29:32 AM   
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"Americans have made a serious adjustment. Their expectations have been tempered," Zogby said. "With little faith in government, you feel you are pretty much on your own."


Yep.


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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/19/2007 10:32:07 AM   
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"Americans have made a serious adjustment. Their expectations have been tempered," Zogby said. "With little faith in government, you feel you are pretty much on your own."


Yep.



Which is the saddest part of the whole thing.

The loss of trust in our government (and I can't debate that it's not merited) is one of the worst indicators for our future as a nation.  Or one of the best, depending on your argument.

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/19/2007 10:34:33 AM   
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OK, OK, you guys are right.  Two thirds of the population thinks the president is doing a bad job, but I'm wrong about that, because if you read the whole article you discover that one third thinks he's doing a great job!


your reasoning must be flawed unless you can account for .1%. 

I think that math skills are going to make america great someday, you can safely ignore the main points and spin the biggest horseshit into positives. just put % behind it and it sounds good.   

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/19/2007 10:37:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lam but 2/3 say it is a fair/poor job, not a bad one.  Really that catagory should be broken down more.  It is still the same 15% hating bush that hated him on the day he was elected.

Not the best of times for either party...the election in some ways may be like the old joke about the Hikers in Alaska.  One has heavy hiking boots, the other has running shoes.  the Boot clad asks "why".  The running shoe replies,"Bears".  the hiking boot man says,"Thats stupid you can't out run a bear, even in running shoes."  the running shoe replies," I don't have to out run the bear, I just have to out run YOU."

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/19/2007 11:02:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is the prob....34% say he is doing a good job....How can any rational human being reach that conclusion?...Whether by hook or crook we got into Iraq under false pretenses...Every thing that has gone wrong virtually has....Combine that with all of the other goings ons with this presidency how can someone reach the conclusion that he is doing a good job?....None of my Republican friends are at all enamored with Bush....They are sane. We may have different opinions about what to do about the war, but they have the ability to think beyond party lines and feel the guy is pretty much of a complete turd.

Do any of you feel that bush is doing a "good job" as President?

Firmy, there is one thing to support Bush for instance on the "War on Terror"...lol....It is quite another to say that over all he is doing a good job....

So if I begin a conversation with someone and they start the conversation with that they think that Bush is a good President and is doing a great job....I am wise enough to know it is time to change the topic.

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/19/2007 11:04:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Exactly Domiguy, only listen to those who agree with you, life is better that way....

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/19/2007 11:13:23 AM   
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It is not like there was any real difference between them.  For all the posturing it still boils down to "lets go fuck their women and take their dope"...The rich get richer and the poor get pregnant.
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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/19/2007 11:30:13 AM   
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Exactly Domiguy, only listen to those who agree with you, life is better that way....


No....That wasn't my point at all....To conduct an argument you should probably have a mutual understanding of the events that have transpired up to this point.  So let's say that someone says, "I think Pres Bush is doing a good job"....Then I lay out everything that has transpired within his presidency....They read it over....Look up and say..."Yep, he's my guy...And he's doing a great job." Is there any sense in continuing a discussion on this point?

If someone can conclude after everything that has happened that Pres Bush is doing a good job I know to stay away from an argument about politics with that individual....There is nothing to be gained or lossed...It is pointless because I can see that this person has lost the ability to look at things in a rational light....They are simply blinded by their political beliefs and there is no point in continuing with a discussion any further.

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/19/2007 11:32:40 AM   
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Lam but 2/3 say it is a fair/poor job, not a bad one.  Really that catagory should be broken down more.  It is still the same 15% hating bush that hated him on the day he was elected.

Not the best of times for either party...the election in some ways may be like the old joke about the Hikers in Alaska.  One has heavy hiking boots, the other has running shoes.  the Boot clad asks "why".  The running shoe replies,"Bears".  the hiking boot man says,"Thats stupid you can't out run a bear, even in running shoes."  the running shoe replies," I don't have to out run the bear, I just have to out run YOU."


You can't condemn the 15% that hated him since he was elected and then defend the 34% that still admire him today.....

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/19/2007 12:36:37 PM   
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Exactly Domiguy, only listen to those who agree with you, life is better that way....


No....That wasn't my point at all....To conduct an argument you should probably have a mutual understanding of the events that have transpired up to this point.  So let's say that someone says, "I think Pres Bush is doing a good job"....Then I lay out everything that has transpired within his presidency....They read it over....Look up and say..."Yep, he's my guy...And he's doing a great job." Is there any sense in continuing a discussion on this point?

If someone can conclude after everything that has happened that Pres Bush is doing a good job I know to stay away from an argument about politics with that individual....There is nothing to be gained or lossed...It is pointless because I can see that this person has lost the ability to look at things in a rational light....They are simply blinded by their political beliefs and there is no point in continuing with a discussion any further.


And I don't think you are getting lucky's point, either domiguy.

Rather than lecturing this supposed "thinks Bush is doing a good job" guy about why you think he's all screwed up, why not listen to his reasons why he thinks Bush is doing a good job?

You know ... actually listen with an open mind, rather than lecture with a closed mind?

It doesn't mean that you'll agree with him, even then, but perhaps you'll understand that someone could have good and valid reasons to hold an opinion that you disagree with.

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/19/2007 1:10:54 PM   
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Exactly Domiguy, only listen to those who agree with you, life is better that way....


No....That wasn't my point at all....To conduct an argument you should probably have a mutual understanding of the events that have transpired up to this point.  So let's say that someone says, "I think Pres Bush is doing a good job"....Then I lay out everything that has transpired within his presidency....They read it over....Look up and say..."Yep, he's my guy...And he's doing a great job." Is there any sense in continuing a discussion on this point?

If someone can conclude after everything that has happened that Pres Bush is doing a good job I know to stay away from an argument about politics with that individual....There is nothing to be gained or lossed...It is pointless because I can see that this person has lost the ability to look at things in a rational light....They are simply blinded by their political beliefs and there is no point in continuing with a discussion any further.


And I don't think you are getting lucky's point, either domiguy.

Rather than lecturing this supposed "thinks Bush is doing a good job" guy about why you think he's all screwed up, why not listen to his reasons why he thinks Bush is doing a good job?

You know ... actually listen with an open mind, rather than lecture with a closed mind?

It doesn't mean that you'll agree with him, even then, but perhaps you'll understand that someone could have good and valid reasons to hold an opinion that you disagree with.

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I'm all ears....Tell me why someone could reach the decision that Bush is doing a good job?

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/19/2007 1:15:51 PM   
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How can any rational human being reach that conclusion?


Um, because most americans have shit for brains. Isn't that part obvious by now?

I used to think that appealing to the intelligence of my fellow countrymen was the source of salvation for all problems political. Then I realized that most people simply disagree with me and actually prefer to live like sheep. It is also the case that most people cannot grasp any but the most tiny soundbite type answers to a problem.

On this website you might even conclude that there is a "master's mindset" and a "slave's mindset" that are in opposition to one another. The problem is that most people are of the slave's mindset. FWIW, I think this also explains the appeal of christianity for many people. Most people simply want to be told what to do and don't care that the benefit is exclusively for someone else.

In some ways that's a very wonderful thing; in other ways that's a total nightmare.

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RE: Bush 2x more popular than Dem Controlled Congress. - 7/19/2007 1:22:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		 i do not like bush nor do i like our present congress. I see it as we are left with idiots in both parties to blow smoke up our asses with typical party line bullshit. As if there are no more legitimate politicians to vote for. NONE of the above is the best candidate this coming election. They all stink.

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