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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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Exactly what percentage of protests are you saying degenerate into mob violence.

Show your work.

Oh cripes, here we go again. Ideological sensitivity rears its ugly head.

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, some so called peace activists are extremely violent

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[ Demanding proof of your bullshit, hyperbolic claim is "ideological sensitivity"?

I thought it was called ACCOUNTABILITY.

You made the statement:

"Considering how often their protests degenerate into mob violence... "

I called Bullshit. You did not support your claim. I suspect because you CANNOT support it.

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By definition, if they're extremely violent, they are NOT PEACE ACTIVISTS.

FBI and Local Police Infiltrators, for instance, ARE NOT PEACE ACTIVISTS, though they claim to be. And when these infiltrators commit a violent act, they aren't acting in the name of the peace activists, are they?

What's more likely, that PEACE ACTIVISTS AREN"T PEACEFUL, or that Government Agent Provocateurs aren't PEACEFUL?

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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[ Demanding proof of your bullshit, hyperbolic claim is "ideological sensitivity"?

I thought it was called ACCOUNTABILITY.

You made the statement:

"Considering how often their protests degenerate into mob violence... "

I called Bullshit. You did not support your claim. I suspect because you CANNOT support it.

You’ve never seen peace protests – either in person or on the news – result in violence? Never seen the police having to use tear gas on people sporting peace signs who hurl rocks and Molotov cocktails and screaming invective?

GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!

You’re so called demand for accountability is you hiding your head in the sand because you refuse to see the reality of the fucking obvious! And let’s be totally honest here – if I did provide you with some study, you’d pull a thompsonx and find something wrong with it, wouldn’t you? I’m sorry if truth fucks up your carefully constructed fantasy world of good guys and bad guys, but that’s your problem, not mine.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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By definition, if they're extremely violent, they are NOT PEACE ACTIVISTS.

FBI and Local Police Infiltrators, for instance, ARE NOT PEACE ACTIVISTS, though they claim to be. And when these infiltrators commit a violent act, they aren't acting in the name of the peace activists, are they?

What's more likely, that PEACE ACTIVISTS AREN"T PEACEFUL, or that Government Agent Provocateurs aren't PEACEFUL?

Oh yes, it’s always the government boogey-men, isn’t it? The good guys can do no wrong and the bad guys can do no right.

Fucking same old! Fucking same old!

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So all you have is anecdotal evidence to support your claims. That's OK, but you need to be upfront that you're just giving your opinion, and you have no hard facts to support it.

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To be fair, I'm not looking for all sorts of peer reviewed shit, but you couldn't even offer a few links to news reports of people being convicted of violent crimes or ANYTHING.

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I'm sure people hurling firebombs at the police in the US would have been newsworthy.

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Violent people will occasionally use any and every role available to validate their violent behavior- even the role of a peace activist.

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Since you've already declared that anyone who commits a violent crime can’t by definition be a peace activist any such links wouldn’t be useful, wouldn’t they? But all these people who take to the streets claiming they are for peace and social justice and fair trade or what have you, shouting vile invective, over turning cars, setting fires and what not are hypocrites. It sickens me. They think they are part of the solution when in fact they are part of the problem. They think they are morally and intellectually superior when they are just as cruel, indifferent to suffering, ignorant and arrogant as those they oppose (if not more so).

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Sounds like lumping the WTO protesters and perhaps the ELF in under the heading of 'peace activists', which is probably generating some confusion.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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[ Demanding proof of your bullshit, hyperbolic claim is "ideological sensitivity"?

I thought it was called ACCOUNTABILITY.

You made the statement:

"Considering how often their protests degenerate into mob violence... "

I called Bullshit. You did not support your claim. I suspect because you CANNOT support it.

You’ve never seen peace protests – either in person or on the news – result in violence? Never seen the police having to use tear gas on people sporting peace signs who hurl rocks and Molotov cocktails and screaming invective?

GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!

You’re so called demand for accountability is you hiding your head in the sand because you refuse to see the reality of the fucking obvious! And let’s be totally honest here – if I did provide you with some study, you’d pull a thompsonx and find something wrong with it, wouldn’t you?
I only find fault with the faulty


I’m sorry if truth fucks up your carefully constructed fantasy world of good guys and bad guys, but that’s your problem, not mine.
Truth is not something you seem to be interested in at this point.  Your opinion is not sufficient proof of truth.  How about some verification?

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Haven't heard much lately about Patty Hearst and the Simbionese Liberation army lately.
Fuckin "Right Wingers."

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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Sounds like lumping the WTO protesters and perhaps the ELF in under the heading of 'peace activists', which is probably generating some confusion.

They are all, more or less, cut from the same cloth. An unwavering belief in their own moral and intellectual superiority which (in their minds) gives them the right to demand that their vision of utopia be imposed arbitrarily upon the benighted masses.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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By definition, if they're extremely violent, they are NOT PEACE ACTIVISTS.

FBI and Local Police Infiltrators, for instance, ARE NOT PEACE ACTIVISTS, though they claim to be. And when these infiltrators commit a violent act, they aren't acting in the name of the peace activists, are they?

What's more likely, that PEACE ACTIVISTS AREN"T PEACEFUL, or that Government Agent Provocateurs aren't PEACEFUL?

Oh yes, it’s always the government boogey-men, isn’t it? The good guys can do no wrong and the bad guys can do no right.
So you are saying that by your perception words in the English language have no meaning to you and should not to the rest of us either.  By definition "good guys" do good and not evil, "bad guys" do evil and not good. 
Why are you denying simple English language definitions?

Fucking same old! Fucking same old!

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

how did you get left, from Timothy McVeigh?

LOL! Ahhhh............because he blew up a GOVERNMENT building?
Hitler was a right wing wako and he burned down the Rieshtag.

Not something the far right Young Republicans wearing $500 suits,
I would like to know where you are going to get a suit that fits for $500?

their hair cut neatly and extolling the virtues of Capitalism would do.
Now, The People's Liberation Army who wore camos.............

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

would you say the current administration is right-wing or left-wing then?

The trouble with using words to make them mean anything you want them to mean is that you have to get Norm Crosby to translate and I beleive he is dead.

Gonna be a problem.

Yeah I know, there's SOOOOOOOOOO many Bible Thumpers blowing up buildings these days!
The current "govt" is neither.
George Bush is obviously not a Republican or a Conservative.
He (is) a shill for Big Corporations who is bought and payed for.
They got "their guy" in there.
In case you hadn't noticed most Republicans don't like him.
But, we're going off on a tangent.
Right wing = favors the status quo.
Left wing= doesn't favor the status quo.
It's funny when people call the KKK "right wing."
The South was mostly Democrat when they were formed.
(Lincoln, who freed the slaves was a Republican)
Segregation is not the "status quo" in this country.
So if you're in favor of segregation like Senator Robert "Sheets" Bird Democrat (W. Va.) was and the KKK is what does that tell you?

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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Sounds like lumping the WTO protesters and perhaps the ELF in under the heading of 'peace activists', which is probably generating some confusion.

They are all, more or less, cut from the same cloth. An unwavering belief in their own moral and intellectual superiority which (in their minds) gives them the right to demand that their vision of utopia be imposed arbitrarily upon the benighted masses.