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RE: Another story that didn't fit the agenda - 7/24/2007 8:31:26 PM   
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I didn't see any Peace Activists behaving Violently.


Yet she was clearly endorsing violence.  The leaders rarely get their hands dirty.




Let me get this straight.

Jane Fonda is a traitor because of a picture of her sitting on an NVA anti-aircraft gun which might be used to kill American soldiers who are engaged in carpet bombing their country into the stone age.

I agree completely, the NVA should have simply rolled over and accepted the carpet bombings without argument.

or

Perhaps the United States could have gotten the message years earlier that we had no business being in Vietnam and pulled our troops out.

I know which option makes more sense to me.

You know, one of the freedoms explicitly listed in the Bill Of Rights is Freedom of Speech.  I simply cannot fathom why so many people rush to defend the Constitution by destroying and negating each and every one of the protections the Constitution guarantees to people.

Talk about wanting to wipe one's ass with the Bill Of Rights.

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RE: Another story that didn't fit the agenda - 7/24/2007 8:47:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		      She's having a nice laugh and photo-op with people who go to work every day to kill Americans.

     Don't bother asking for a clarification on why some might find that offensive and hypocritical.  You get it, or you don't.

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RE: Another story that didn't fit the agenda - 7/24/2007 8:52:20 PM   
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     She's having a nice laugh and photo-op with people who go to work every day to kill Americans.



Your entire sentence should read

"She's having a nice laugh and a photo-op with people who go to work every day to kill Americans who are actively engaged in trying to kiill them."

I imagine if Brunei was bombing the place you live, you would consider yourself justified in doing whatever you could to defend yourself.

It might be a stretch for you, but you might want to at least try to think of these things from the point of view of those living in the American's bomb sights.

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RE: Another story that didn't fit the agenda - 7/24/2007 9:06:00 PM   
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It might be a stretch for you, but you might want to at least try to think of these things from the point of view of those living in the American's bomb sights.

Sinergy



        No stretch at all, Sinergy.  We are all free to choose our side.  But as far as I'm concerned, that bitch forfeited her right to come back.

       

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RE: Another story that didn't fit the agenda - 7/24/2007 9:06:34 PM   
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Let me get this straight.

Jane Fonda is a traitor because of a picture of her sitting on an NVA anti-aircraft gun which might be used to kill American soldiers who are engaged in carpet bombing their country into the stone age.

I agree completely, the NVA should have simply rolled over and accepted the carpet bombings without argument.

or

Perhaps the United States could have gotten the message years earlier that we had no business being in Vietnam and pulled our troops out.

I know which option makes more sense to me.

You know, one of the freedoms explicitly listed in the Bill Of Rights is Freedom of Speech. I simply cannot fathom why so many people rush to defend the Constitution by destroying and negating each and every one of the protections the Constitution guarantees to people.

Talk about wanting to wipe one's ass with the Bill Of Rights.

Sinergy


You are putting a lot of words into my mouth that were never there. I’ve never said that Jane Fonda didn’t have a right to speak her mind. I’ve never said that people don’t have a right to defend themselves. I AM saying that a person who claims to be for peace and then, through her actions, is clearly endorsing violence is a hypocrite.

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RE: Another story that didn't fit the agenda - 7/24/2007 9:08:45 PM   
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But as far as I'm concerned
      


Your opinion on the matter has been duly noted.

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RE: Another story that didn't fit the agenda - 7/24/2007 9:11:37 PM   
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But as far as I'm concerned
     


Your opinion on the matter has been duly noted.

Sinergy



        Good thing I'm not in charge, huh? 

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RE: Another story that didn't fit the agenda - 7/24/2007 9:15:31 PM   
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I AM saying that a person who claims to be for peace and then, through her actions, is clearly endorsing violence is a hypocrite.



She was doing the same thing that Obama announced he will do with Cuba, North Korea, and Iran.  Attempting to establish a dialogue to try to find some way out of a stupid conflict for all concerned, without violence.  (Naturally, Billary said it was a stupid idea.  Why establish a dialogue and find a way we can all live together when we can simply bomb them into the stone age...)

As I pointed out, if American bombers are not carpet bombing within range of that anti-aircraft gun, then that anti-aircraft gun will not be capable of inflicting violence.  I personally find people who think her sitting on the anti-aircraft gun as endorsing violence to be rather myopic.  The point of view I take away from it is an individual, brave enough to speak her mind, supporting the right of a free people to defend themselves against foreign aggression.

I am always amazed by people who think the United States involvement in Vietnam was anything but foreign aggression from the perspective of the Vietnamese. 

Must be the blinders some people wear to avoid being faced with the fact that they are the Bad Guy.

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RE: Another story that didn't fit the agenda - 7/24/2007 9:48:35 PM   
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What is a conservative's wet dream?

Being naked in a hot tub with Michelle Malkin and Laura Ingraham (while Rush Limbaugh grills up some steaks and Sean Hannity serves drinks)

Edited to add:  Nice to see ya back, Firmhand. 


Hi marc!

Come on ... let's just say it ... conservative babes are HAWT and PHAT!

GOP Babe-of-the-Week Winners!

Conservative babes.

Conservative Hottie.

There are some interesting theories about why that is ...

The Babe Theory of Political Movements.  (with photos even!  )

The "other side" has ... well ... Madeline Albright and Hillary Rodham? 

FirmKY


I bet you righties have rubbed out a few ,while dreaming about Linda Trip.Eww!!

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RE: Another story that didn't fit the agenda - 7/24/2007 9:55:56 PM   
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I bet you righties have rubbed out a few ,while dreaming about Linda Trip.Eww!!




         Probably a few, Owner59, and that is pretty squicky, but how many of on the left have gotten all hot and bothered thinking about John Goodman dressed up as Linda Trip???

        (I'd bottom for Anne Coulter, since that seems to be the side topic.)

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RE: Another story that didn't fit the agenda - 7/24/2007 9:56:01 PM   
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She was doing the same thing that Obama announced he will do with Cuba, North Korea, and Iran. Attempting to establish a dialogue to try to find some way out of a stupid conflict for all concerned, without violence. (Naturally, Billary said it was a stupid idea. Why establish a dialogue and find a way we can all live together when we can simply bomb them into the stone age...)


Dialogue between who? She wasn’t an official representative of the U.S. government, was she? Her only purpose was to stroke her own ego over what a good person she was. If she actually gave a shit about the Vietnamese people she would have spoken out about the atrocities committed by the North Vietnamese government when it took over the south, and about the plight of the boat people.

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As I pointed out, if American bombers are not carpet bombing within range of that anti-aircraft gun, then that anti-aircraft gun will not be capable of inflicting violence.


You’re nitpicking.

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I personally find people who think her sitting on the anti-aircraft gun as endorsing violence to be rather myopic. The point of view I take away from it is an individual, brave enough to speak her mind, supporting the right of a free people to defend themselves against foreign aggression.


Did she ever condemn the North Vietnamese for invading the south? Also, the north Vietnamese were living under a communist government, therefore they were not free. Freedom and communism are incompatible.

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I am always amazed by people who think the United States involvement in Vietnam was anything but foreign aggression from the perspective of the Vietnamese.


And that statement applies to me... how?

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Must be the blinders some people wear to avoid being faced with the fact that they are the Bad Guy.


Must be. What does this have to do with me?

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RE: Another story that didn't fit the agenda - 7/24/2007 9:57:54 PM   
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I bet you righties have rubbed out a few ,while dreaming about Linda Trip.Eww!!


Who you calling a rightie there, punk!

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RE: Another story that didn't fit the agenda - 7/24/2007 10:04:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		      There might have been an attempt to put those words in my mouth rather than yours, Marc.  It gets difficult to keep track of all the strawmen sometimes.

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RE: Another story that didn't fit the agenda - 7/24/2007 10:05:37 PM   
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Did she ever condemn the North Vietnamese for invading the south? Also, the north Vietnamese were living under a communist government, therefore they were not free. Freedom and communism are incompatible.


You might want to do just a weeeeee bit more research on the history of Vietnam.

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RE: Another story that didn't fit the agenda - 7/24/2007 10:10:30 PM   
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You might want to do just a weeeeee bit more research on the history of Vietnam.


Meaning what?  That the north wasn't communist?  That the north didn't invade the south?  What?

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RE: Another story that didn't fit the agenda - 7/24/2007 10:29:43 PM   
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I bet you righties have rubbed out a few ,while dreaming about Linda Trip.Eww!!





      Probably a few, Owner59, and that is pretty squicky, but how many of on the left have gotten all hot and bothered thinking about John Goodman dressed up as Linda Trip???

     (I'd bottom for Anne Coulter, since that seems to be the side topic.)


That SNL skit put me on the floor,laughing.I`m laughing right now about it.Bwaahh!!

Ann Coulter,I think she`s,errr .....he`s the most passable TG in histoy.


Check out the man shoulders and Adam`s apple on the .....person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkZmfxlSRDU&NR=1

Here`s Henry Rollins` letter to Ann, enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM7MR5_v47w 

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RE: Another story that didn't fit the agenda - 7/24/2007 10:55:07 PM   
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I bet you righties have rubbed out a few ,while dreaming about Linda Trip.Eww!!


Who you calling a rightie there, punk!


If the shoe fits?......
Ha-ha,... are you a Tripp admirer taking insult at being called a rightie,or a republican insulted over being called a Tripp lover? Or both?It`s hard to tell.

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RE: Another story that didn't fit the agenda - 7/24/2007 11:41:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Linda Trip...Monica   I don't know, seem to be in the same leauge anyway.  So joe schmo on the computer and the President of the USA are hitting in the same leauge?   I don't know...Monica?  several times??  It just seems kind of pathetic in a way.

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RE: Another story that didn't fit the agenda - 7/25/2007 6:57:42 AM   
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Ha-ha,... are you a Tripp admirer taking insult at being called a rightie,or a republican insulted over being called a Tripp lover? Or both?It`s hard to tell.


None of the above. I am a true independent charting his own course through the political and philosophical maelstrom. I just irks the shit out of me that people assume I must be on the other side because I criticize their side. I can understand how those on the left assume I am on the right because I oppose collectivist schemes as the ideological (and economically nonsensical) tyrannies they are but I also get flak from the right when they discover that I am pro-choice, pro gay marriage, disdainful of organized religion (and that I laugh out loud at silly notions like "Intelligent Design"), etc.

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RE: Another story that didn't fit the agenda - 7/25/2007 7:21:00 AM   
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I didn't see any Peace Activists behaving Violently.


Yet she was clearly endorsing violence. The leaders rarely get their hands dirty.




Isn't ANTI-AIRCRAFT sorta by definition DEFENSIVE in nature?

I mean, if the US wasn't immorally and unlawfully supporting Diem, and flying over the NVA airspace to attack, those ANTI-AIRCRAFT guns wouldn't have been fired, would they?

Oh, and the US and Diem in South Vietnam directly disobeyed the UN Mandate to have elections to decide on the government of Vietnam.

Of course, elections which won't go the way the US would like them to go don't count, and can't happen, can they ( Hey, look, there's Hamas! )



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