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Mystique567 -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/23/2007 5:33:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit I prefer my submissiion to be "Rent to Own" with a good refund and return policy I couldn't read any farther after snorting my coffee on the screen

CelticPrince -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/23/2007 6:16:43 PM)
Aneirin short and to the point, thanks for your input CP

bliss1 -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/24/2007 1:23:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy quote: ORIGINAL: bliss1 As a strong woman outside of my primary relationship for me to give any control is a step of trust - deep trust. I enjoy being submissive with a Dom/Master. It is the greatest gift I can offer him (if you want to gift wrap me - find a gift bag, i'll fit better in that and I will im you the addy to mail me to). Since it is not something I will give to any male coming down the road - it is a gift - and no I don't take it back until the relationship has run it's course and we agree that that is the way it will be. You didn't come to CM because you had a gift...You came out her to sate a need, want or desire. The word "gift" just falls short in defining the way you actually feel about your submission.....The underlying cause of you being able to "give" of yourself is because you initially had the need, want or desire to do so. Women love to make shit sound all frilly and sweet. Also who determines the worth of a gift?...The givee or the giver? It's it wonderful that you are such a gifted mind reader - I really didn't know that I came here to sound frilly or to discover a need. Man - you would be such a wonderful (cough) dom - she wouldn't have to think, or talk - cause you know it all.

domiguy -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/24/2007 2:17:57 PM)
She would have to be able to reason and have the ability to understand that certain words such as "gift" do not in any way convey the actual definition that a sub feels about her "submission" if she has the ability to actually rationalize her position and have an understanding about the actually feelings she has towards her submission. If you would like to explain how you think about your "gift" at night or how you have fantasized about your "gift" or when you have watched bdsm porn you say to your partner..."Wow look at the way he is receiving her "gift" it is sooooo fucking romantic!!" Pleeeeez do....Nothing turns me on more than watching a sub masturbate over the idea of someone taking her gift....It is sooooo fucking hot!!!I'm dying to be convinced that it is not a need a want or a desire....It is a gift...Probably something similar to being an Irish witch....I would love to have an Irish witch under my control...No more stops at the liquor store to purchase a nice stout...I would simply have you conjure one up....Now that is a gift! Please remember the value of a gift can only be measured by the person receiving it....I wouldn't be surprised if every few years your gift would be the one that every family member re-wraps upon receiving and places under the tree waiting for the large guffaw when the next unsuspecting giftee opens it up...."Aww Fuck...It's bliss1's submission....Hey doesn't Sally have a new husband?....Just wait till next Christmas....I have the perfect gift for them."

CelticPrince -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/24/2007 5:10:46 PM)
Aneirin, your thoughts seem to carry the day, thanks for your input. CP

ELUSIVE1 -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/24/2007 5:28:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: ELUSIVE1 "gift of submission" -excuse me while I go puke...a gift is given,not taken back...how many 'submissives' still give their submission to the very first "Master" they had? please, take these 'gift wrapped' subs and amuse them, as for me, I will give up control to ONE who deserves my respect and has earned my trust... Nicely...and graphically... stated. [:)] Out of the 3 long-term submissives I have had, 2 of them refused to see their submission to me as anything other than a gift. It was one of those areas where we agreed to disagree. Ironically enough, those 2 no longer feel that they have to submit to my authority or suggestions and the one who does so, not out of obligation but respect NEVER viewed her submission as a gift...as you might guess, she is the one who is now a femdominant. CreativeDominant, I guess it was a bit graphic...you know I have been mistaken for a Domme at lifestyle events and on other sites...guess that comes with the territory if you think and are not a doormat.....

CelticPrince -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/25/2007 7:05:01 PM)
ELUSIVE, Often times stregth is misread by many "D"'d so just be happy with your strong D's and ignore the rest. CP

MasterMataeo -> RE: submission a gift or a need? (7/25/2007 7:55:37 PM)
I have found that the sub/slave crave tho serve,, but yet it is a gift to the Dom/Master to have one totally serve, and thus the limits laid down be respected, for if they need to serve and we need them to serve it is a symbiotic need,, and we chose to give the gift of Dominance as they chose to give the gift of their submission

CelticPrince -> RE: submission a gift or a need? (7/26/2007 6:12:29 AM)
MM, A well thought out expression on the theme. Thanks CP

StellaByStarlite -> RE: submission a gift or a need? (7/26/2007 6:50:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMataeo I have found that the sub/slave crave tho serve,, but yet it is a gift to the Dom/Master to have one totally serve, and thus the limits laid down be respected, for if they need to serve and we need them to serve it is a symbiotic need,, and we chose to give the gift of Dominance as they chose to give the gift of their submission Oh, wow, lol. I don't believe I've ever described my submission in such a lofty way. =) I think The Domiguy hit it when he said " desire". I don't "crave" to submit.. at least not all the time. =) In fact, the D/s relationship betweren my husband and I isn't made up so much of action as it is acknowledgement. We've both acknowledged that our personalities are much more content when he has the authority over the household. Now... that authority can, and often does, manifest itself in countless ways, but I don't often actively submit, because there's not to much to submit to. That being said, I'll stress that both my submission and his dominance are of secondary importance to our marriage. So, it's neither a need, nor is it a gift, really. If my husband woke up tomorrow morning and told me he no longer wanted to bear the burden of authority, it wouldn't end the relationship. On the other hand, I can hardly call my submission a gift when I've openly admitted I just prefer it that way. It really just goes to show that describing intricate relationships between people are just... hard, imo.

MasterMataeo -> RE: submission a gift or a need? (7/26/2007 9:07:19 AM)
Celtic Prince, not a problem ,, I take from my own experiences,, and hope that others do as well,, I lost a slave at one time that I cared deeply about , for i took her gift for granted and did not realize it at the time,, and now I'm more aware that it is a symbiotic relationship rather than a one sided thing,, both must be happy for the welfare of the "House" MasterMataeo

MasterMataeo -> RE: submission a gift or a need? (7/26/2007 9:12:13 AM)
and as it sould be ,, for you and your husband have gone to the next level ,, youhave the marriage and well for me that preceedes the D/s relationship ,, for you have givin to each other the total commitment of ones needs , and not just in the "lifestyle" manner if that makes scense,, for i see so many who are jsut in it for the learning Exp and not the permenat bond,, my hat off to you and yours, I hope that i may one day find something simmilar

ownedgirlie -> RE: submission a gift or a need? (7/26/2007 9:19:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMataeo I have found that the sub/slave crave tho serve,, but yet it is a gift to the Dom/Master to have one totally serve, and thus the limits laid down be respected, for if they need to serve and we need them to serve it is a symbiotic need,, and we chose to give the gift of Dominance as they chose to give the gift of their submission This was an interesting post. I never really felt like my submission was a gift, because it always seemed arrogant to me to feel that way. But this got me thinking...I can only offer what I can offer. I offer it to my Master because I need to. I need to serve him. I love to serve him. I am true to myself by serving him. It is up to HIM to decide whether that is a gift to him or not, not me. Conversely, every day I feel that what he gives me is a gift. I am grateful he allows me to serve him. If there is a gift in this relationnship, it is that he has given me more than I ever hoped for when entering my slavery to him. I have no idea if he sees my submission to him as a gift or not, and frankly, it's not that important to me. He enjoys my submission. He appreciates it and loves it, and he uses it in a way that works best for us both. What we call it is inconsequential to us both.

MadRabbit -> RE: submission a gift or a need? (7/26/2007 9:32:26 AM)
How about... The Jelly of Submission comes together with my Peanut Butter of Dominance to make one really great Sandwich?

steviemichael -> RE: submission agift or a need? (7/26/2007 9:34:31 AM)
why does it have to be any of the two you state ? why cannot be just a natural of being !!

ownedgirlie -> RE: submission a gift or a need? (7/26/2007 9:43:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit How about... The Jelly of Submission comes together with my Peanut Butter of Dominance to make one really great Sandwich? LOL I love it. Now for the really important question - chunky or creamy? [8D]

MasterMataeo -> RE: submission a gift or a need? (7/26/2007 10:34:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit How about... The Jelly of Submission comes together with my Peanut Butter of Dominance to make one really great Sandwich? LOL I love it. Now for the really important question - chunky or creamy? [8D] and is it a triple decker with both?

ownedgirlie -> RE: submission a gift or a need? (7/26/2007 10:48:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMataeo quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit How about... The Jelly of Submission comes together with my Peanut Butter of Dominance to make one really great Sandwich? LOL I love it. Now for the really important question - chunky or creamy? [8D] and is it a triple decker with both? Ha! Now you're just being greedy! [8D]

CelticPrince -> RE: submission a gift or a need? (7/26/2007 12:07:55 PM)
girlie, hunger and lust on the same plate?? CP

ownedgirlie -> RE: submission a gift or a need? (7/26/2007 12:10:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince girlie, hunger and lust on the same plate?? CP But of course!

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