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LadyAngelika -> RE: Dick & Paycheck (7/6/2005 5:12:58 AM)

I think lonewolf05 has trouble with the quotes at times. I'm never sure what bits are his and which are who he is refering to and often I have to scroll back to see.

Please lonewolf05, take a bit of extra care in setting up your quotes/posts?

- LA




Gemeni -> RE: Dick and a Paycheck (7/6/2005 8:03:39 AM)

One needs to be financially responsible.

But I avoid those who's goal is for another to pay thier way to the luxurious lifestyle they would like to become accustomed to. My money is needed to be invested in my future,not to be squandered by a twit.




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Dick and a Paycheck (7/6/2005 8:08:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Gemeni
I avoid those who's goal is for another to pay thier way to the luxurious lifestyle they would like to become accustomed to. My money is needed to be invested in my future,not to be squandered by a twit.

What if it's the lifestyle she is already accustomed to and she's not a twit? [sm=tongue.gif] M




Senko -> RE: Dick and a Paycheck (7/6/2005 9:49:49 PM)

hello and greetings all,


This is a subject that is very touchy in my opinion. But on the most part, in my own personal experiences, that women are more likely to choose the man who makes more money over love with the man who makes less. Why I do not know. Perhaps it is the wage issue expressed earlier in the post, but those statistics rouse a few questions for me. Did they instead of screening individuals screen households, in which some cases the women didnt work? Did they target those they interveiwed to fudge the numbers? Having had to learn advertising statistics in college, and how to fudge these numbers to push your own opinion, I really dont trust these. Especially when it comes from a "Womens" college.... Just my own personal Opinion on that subject.
Personally however, I see more supposed girls say in their profile "I will be your personal whore/slut/slave/etc as long as you take care of me", but the funny thing is, I see this mostly in the younger profiles. I guess in todays society, people are that shallow. if you dont look like adonis, or make as much money as trump, you get pushed to the side to make way for those who do.




lonewolf05 -> RE: Dick & Paycheck (7/6/2005 10:33:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I think lonewolf05 has trouble with the quotes at times. I'm never sure what bits are his and which are who he is refering to and often I have to scroll back to see.

Please lonewolf05, take a bit of extra care in setting up your quotes/posts?

- LA




yes'M i try.





lonewolf05 -> RE: Dick & Paycheck (7/6/2005 10:36:30 PM)


in reply to MaitresseEden)
why are you quoteing me?
The key is "Intelligence". :)
Your quote.

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just because Ma'am i am not like most folks, and i know i am not the brightest crayon out of the box........

the wolf




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Dick and a Paycheck (7/7/2005 5:36:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Senko
But on the most part, in my own personal experiences, that women are more likely to choose the man who makes more money over love with the man who makes less.

All other things being equal (which they never are), I would choose to be in a relationship with someone who had higher income than someone who didn't.

Why? Well because that means they are stable and mature enough to be MAKING that sort of money, which shows a responsibility and aptitude for it, and it is a large factor in having a secure future together as well.

Call me shallow and young for wanting someone mature, responsible, dependable, steady and able to provide for himself and the people he loves.

Is money and income the ONLY way to do this? No of course not. Is someone with tons of money automatically all of these things? No of course not.

My boyfriend is graduate student, and a very poor one economically. But I look to how hard he works, his dedication, his skills, his personality AND his likely future stability.

The Owner on the other hand is a much older man with a house and an extremely well paying and highly enviable career. I'm with them both and I find they are both exactly perfect for me.

But bring me two people with the exact same life situations, ask me to choose which is more desirable overall, I'd pick the one who had more income. I don't care how great a personality and wit you are, if you can't be a responsible adult enough to provide for yourself at least, I'm not interested in a relationship.

Love
Liz




lonewolf05 -> RE: Dick and a Paycheck (7/7/2005 9:58:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2


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ORIGINAL: Senko
But on the most part, in my own personal experiences, that women are more likely to choose the man who makes more money over love with the man who makes less.

All other things being equal (which they never are), I would choose to be in a relationship with someone who had higher income than someone who didn't.

Why? Well because that means they are stable and mature enough to be MAKING that sort of money, which shows a responsibility and aptitude for it, and it is a large factor in having a secure future together as well.

Call me shallow and young for wanting someone mature, responsible, dependable, steady and able to provide for himself and the people he loves.

Is money and income the ONLY way to do this? No of course not. Is someone with tons of money automatically all of these things? No of course not.

My boyfriend is graduate student, and a very poor one economically. But I look to how hard he works, his dedication, his skills, his personality AND his likely future stability.

The Owner on the other hand is a much older man with a house and an extremely well paying and highly enviable career. I'm with them both and I find they are both exactly perfect for me.

But bring me two people with the exact same life situations, ask me to choose which is more desirable overall, I'd pick the one who had more income. I don't care how great a personality and wit you are, if you can't be a responsible adult enough to provide for yourself at least, I'm not interested in a relationship.

Love
Liz



quote:

But bring me two people with the exact same life situations, ask me to choose which is more desirable overall, I'd pick the one who had more income. I don't care how great a personality and wit you are, if you can't be a responsible adult enough to provide for yourself at least, I'm not interested in a relationship.

Love
Liz

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this is a woman thing isn't it? i have not met ONE male that looks in her purse before he sees if she good enough.
i can not/will not/ EVER understand. i hope those dollar bills make you girls warm at night. just makes NO sense! always about the money.
hmmmmmmm. just cannot figure it.

take care girls.
the wolf





MaitresseEden -> RE: Dick and a Paycheck (7/7/2005 10:07:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Senko




quote:

Perhaps it is the wage issue expressed earlier in the post, but those statistics rouse a few questions for me. Did they instead of screening individuals screen households, in which some cases the women didnt work? Did they target those they interveiwed to fudge the numbers? Having had to learn advertising statistics in college, and how to fudge these numbers to push your own opinion, I really dont trust these. Especially when it comes from a "Womens" college.... Just my own personal Opinion on that subject.


The Data comes from US Census data, and from IRS tax data. It it found in government documents however most pay little attention to the reports that information such as this get buried it. The AAUW is not a college, it is an association that encourages and supports women worldwide in persuing education.

Ms. Eden




AAkasha -> RE: Dick and a Paycheck (7/7/2005 10:07:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lonewolf05

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this is a woman thing isn't it? i have not met ONE male that looks in her purse before he sees if she good enough.
i can not/will not/ EVER understand. i hope those dollar bills make you girls warm at night. just makes NO sense! always about the money.
hmmmmmmm. just cannot figure it.

take care girls.
the wolf




Your contempt for women, your sweeping generalizations and your own personal bitterness are just part of the baggage you carry around that make it so hard for you to develop intimacy, trust and most importantly be attractive to the opposite sex. It must feel theraputic for you to keep this kind of attitude up. I don't know why you would keep doing it.

Akasha




Gemeni -> RE: Dick and a Paycheck (7/7/2005 10:25:12 AM)

At the same time,I look at my own financial status and decide if it's good enough for a relationship to fly. At this time in my life,I'm self employed and I'm not at the earning levels to afford a 24 7 D/s lifestyle. So I work to improve that,and do without for now.

It's just being realistic-money matters in a living situation.

And by the same token,I look at a slave as someone who's closely partnered to me.

She'll have to work as hard as I do. It goes both ways,and there are in general, *people* who will slack off and take advantage of others. I've booted at least one wannabe "slave" out the door who decided I looked like a good free ride.

A parasite is a parasite,no matter how you look at it.

And I can't blame anyone for not allowing one to get too close.




lonewolf05 -> RE: Dick and a Paycheck (7/7/2005 11:51:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

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ORIGINAL: lonewolf05

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this is a woman thing isn't it? i have not met ONE male that looks in her purse before he sees if she good enough.
i can not/will not/ EVER understand. i hope those dollar bills make you girls warm at night. just makes NO sense! always about the money.
hmmmmmmm. just cannot figure it.

take care girls.
the wolf




Your contempt for women, your sweeping generalizations and your own personal bitterness are just part of the baggage you carry around that make it so hard for you to develop intimacy, trust and most importantly be attractive to the opposite sex. It must feel theraputic for you to keep this kind of attitude up. I don't know why you would keep doing it.

Akasha

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no Ma'am. there is NO therapy involved here.
hard to develop? oh You betcha! i will not deny it.
but then "I" have never...........had a relationship where the intimacy wasn't BECAUSE of $$$.
trust? i have said it too many times. i am an old street kid. i never learned to trust too easily.
i have to prove MYSELF to people.....so any possible relationship has to be proved to ME. all is fair.
you don't know why? BECAUSE Ma'am it is ALL i know about. and so far,. the more i see in posts the more it strengthens my convictions.
i thought THAT was an obvious given!
don't sit there and think i do it on purpose,. though i have been accused of it.

i call em as i see em. and if i see someone wanting the $$$ -------- i call it.

hey. not like it wasn't admitted to in her post!
now Ya gonna say i am not allowed to state what is obvious and what i see in MY life as truth?
i just make statements.! period. if others have-to-live with the $$ in their beds,....fine.
but i will not allow that in MY life. it's another reason i divorced my wives.
they knew i was a poor grunt when they married me. yet they had the chance to not get married.
they could have said no.
heyyyyyyyyyy. truth is truth. and if it hurts? ah well. tis life huh? i am duly sorry if i upset YOU SOOOOOOOO much. i don't sit here thinking ..what can i do to hurt AAkasha?

have a good day Ma'am.

the wolf





AAkasha -> RE: Dick and a Paycheck (7/7/2005 11:58:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lonewolf05


quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

quote:

ORIGINAL: lonewolf05

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this is a woman thing isn't it? i have not met ONE male that looks in her purse before he sees if she good enough.
i can not/will not/ EVER understand. i hope those dollar bills make you girls warm at night. just makes NO sense! always about the money.
hmmmmmmm. just cannot figure it.

take care girls.
the wolf




Your contempt for women, your sweeping generalizations and your own personal bitterness are just part of the baggage you carry around that make it so hard for you to develop intimacy, trust and most importantly be attractive to the opposite sex. It must feel theraputic for you to keep this kind of attitude up. I don't know why you would keep doing it.

Akasha

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no Ma'am. there is NO therapy involved here.
hard to develop? oh You betcha! i will not deny it.
but then "I" have never...........had a relationship where the intimacy wasn't BECAUSE of $$$.
trust? i have said it too many times. i am an old street kid. i never learned to trust too easily.
i have to prove MYSELF to people.....so any possible relationship has to be proved to ME. all is fair.
you don't know why? BECAUSE Ma'am it is ALL i know about. and so far,. the more i see in posts the more it strengthens my convictions.
i thought THAT was an obvious given!
don't sit there and think i do it on purpose,. though i have been accused of it.

i call em as i see em. and if i see someone wanting the $$$ -------- i call it.

hey. not like it wasn't admitted to in her post!
now Ya gonna say i am not allowed to state what is obvious and what i see in MY life as truth?
i just make statements.! period. if others have-to-live with the $$ in their beds,....fine.
but i will not allow that in MY life. it's another reason i divorced my wives.
they knew i was a poor grunt when they married me. yet they had the chance to not get married.
they could have said no.
heyyyyyyyyyy. truth is truth. and if it hurts? ah well. tis life huh? i am duly sorry if i upset YOU SOOOOOOOO much. i don't sit here thinking ..what can i do to hurt AAkasha?

have a good day Ma'am.

the wolf




I never said it hurt me. Your relationship issues have no impact on my life at all.
I'm concerned for the people you meet. BDSM relationships are all about trust. It's hard to trust someone so venomous, resentful and bitter.

Akasha




lonewolf05 -> RE: Dick and a Paycheck (7/7/2005 12:47:52 PM)

AAkasha;

yes Ma'am. it is. growing up as a street kid has it's bad points. but my inner strength from those times keeps me going. i have not needed anyone to come to my rescue since i was nigh on 10 year old.

thanks
have a good day Ma'am.


the wolf




MaitresseEden -> RE: Dick and a Paycheck (7/7/2005 1:34:21 PM)

quote:

At the same time,I look at my own financial status and decide if it's good enough for a relationship to fly. At this time in my life,I'm self employed and I'm not at the earning levels to afford a 24 7 D/s lifestyle. So I work to improve that,and do without for now



Ok, Returning to the topic and hand, and refusing to engage engage in others bitterness and personal therapy, I have a question for you Gemeni, and the others too: ( Caveat: this post is not intended to be directed at Gemeni, I just replied to his post to get things back on track)
Why should you "do without"? Just because your financial status is strained at the moment? If a relationship is meant to be "real" it is like you said. "
quote:

She'll have to work as hard as I do. It goes both ways
Why do we allow our Dom or sub roles to circumvent our general understanding of human compassion and understanding.

I feel it is safe to assume that WE ALL AGREE there are people who use others, and there will always continue to be such people.

HOWEVER... the majority of us all of us feel in some way or another, that we are the exceptions to this stereotype, and yet we continue to apply our own negativity and assumptions to others yet we do not want them applied to us. Is this not self-defeating behavior?

If you truly care for a person, you help them if your able.. Now that doesn't mean everyone should go asking for things, and it means you must be mature enough to comprehend the difference between wants and needs. There is a huge difference between needing money to go to doctor and needing a 400k house.

Another issue that is relevent to this discussion is the sense of entitlement. We all have some sense of it. I think I'm entittled to freedom, health care, and yes.. even an ocassional foot massage, or housecleaning. Part of maturing and growing as a dominant is understanding that while it sure would be nice to have a free ride through life, it isn't my entittlement, and anything I have I have worked hard for and earned on my own. Even those gifts I have recieved, were given to me because because I invested of myself into another person and they me and hence we became friends and or lovers. You don't ask, or demand things.. but if they are given you say thanks.

The whole point of this thread was to enlighten and give some understanding to the mindset that people have about thier need for financial security, and like it or not, it is something that everyone desires. No ones brags about wanting to be poor, or broke.

Instead of all the bemoaning that is being done about past experiences, and perceptions.. Ask yourself, how honest you are with others about your finances, and how upfront you are about your wants vs. your needs. Instead of alll the gripeing about all the people that are out there that want your money, or what your body, but give you nothing in return.. Take the time to ask them the tough questions and see what it is that the really need. I have met sooooo many woman in the scene who are literally one meal or paycheck away from being homeless, that the nickels,dimes and free meals they get are all that keep them surviving. I have met men, who are equally as desperate for someone to help them. I'm not justifying this, but I am trying to say.. take the time to understand it before you condemn someone.

Furthermore, Ask yourself at what point would you start caring for a person enough to co-mingle funds, or lack thereof? If you are trusting that person with your life, and giving them your heart, then what else are you waiting for? A sign ?.. Why is it that we give everything else so freely, with the exception of money?

Ms. Eden




Gemeni -> RE: Dick and a Paycheck (7/7/2005 2:28:09 PM)

I simply realize that my time is entirely tied up in advancing myself. There is really none left over for anything else.

This is a practical, hard core realization.

Let me put it this way. I live a very structured and regimented life-it's how things get done. Someone who is going to be with me will have to fit into that-period.

That means she's going to submit to it,and myself. When the work is done,THEN we have time for enjoyment. I have run across far to many alleged "slaves" who seem to feel it's all about some white knight who is lurking out there waiting to "save" then from themselves. Which means they are screwed up,and and need to be 'fixed".

This is a basic fallacy,only the individual with the issues can do that.

I have my own power,or I would not consider Myself Dominant. So I can be happy alone till I find the CORRECT match. I don't need anyone to *complete* me.

I mean,how pathetic is that? To say you aren't WHOLE without someone else?

Now it would be a great deal less *codependent* to say one could be more content in the company of another,would it not? This lifestyle attracts a great many people with mental disorders. The real challenge seems to be finding stable ones who CAN be functional enough to go long term with.




MaitresseEden -> RE: Dick and a Paycheck (7/7/2005 3:50:03 PM)

well said.. and it is nice to see someone who instead of arguring for thier limitations, is actually working towards removing them!. I personally reject the notion of being incomplete without another. I persons my compliment me, but we as a society need to get past this notion of being incomplete without a significant other. It is not fair to anyone individual to bare the the burden of anothers happiness. One must be a "Me" before they can be a "we"

Ms. Eden




lonewolf05 -> RE: Dick and a Paycheck (7/7/2005 4:08:48 PM)

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the sense of entitlement.



????why???? according to the courts, you are NOT entitled to HAVE happiness. the law says you can pursue it........but you are NOT entitled to it.

SOOOOOOOOOOO.......why would anyone BE entitled to anything else?

that i find most irrational and illogical.

the wolf




MaitresseEden -> RE: Dick and a Paycheck (7/7/2005 6:14:48 PM)

quote:

????why???? according to the courts, you are NOT entitled to HAVE happiness. the law says you can pursue it........but you are NOT entitled to it.


I did not say I was entittled to happiness what I said was :
quote:

. I think I'm entittled to freedom, health care, and yes.. even an ocassional foot massage, or housecleaning.



DO NOT put words into my mouth, or attribute comments to me, I am more than capable of speaking for myself.

Ms. Eden




lonewolf05 -> RE: Dick and a Paycheck (7/7/2005 8:35:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MaitresseEden

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????why???? according to the courts, you are NOT entitled to HAVE happiness. the law says you can pursue it........but you are NOT entitled to it.


I did not say I was entittled to happiness what I said was :
quote:

. I think I'm entittled to freedom, health care, and yes.. even an ocassional foot massage, or housecleaning.



DO NOT put words into my mouth, or attribute comments to me, I am more than capable of speaking for myself.

Ms. Eden

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wellll y'all do what ya wanna coz ya are anyway....my POINT was and IS that "I" found it odd to use the wording...entitled to.
i don't know what You were told as a kid. MY elders told me NO ONE is ENTITLED to ANYTHING in this life.......is what "I" was talking about.
just sounds odd in MY ears!
so i wanted an explaination. i could not make heads or tails of it
ok?

anyway..
the wolf






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