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More minorities in the lifstyle - 7/26/2007 2:04:50 PM   
blkstick26


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Status: offline 		Hi im a mature 22 yr old that has been seriously in the lifestyle for almost 2 yrs. While I enjoy playing with all races and prefer playing with whites I always wonder how to get more minorities involved  into alternative lifestyles.  I would love to hear everyones opnion on this.   Of course im excluding blk males because i dont consider them minorities in the lifestyle.
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RE: More minorities in the lifstyle - 7/26/2007 2:06:07 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Why don't you consider black males to be a minority in the scene?

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RE: More minorities in the lifstyle - 7/26/2007 2:09:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: blkstick26

Hi im a mature 22 yr old that has been seriously in the lifestyle for almost 2 yrs. While I enjoy playing with all races and prefer playing with whites I always wonder how to get more minorities involved into alternative lifestyles. I would love to hear everyones opnion on this. Of course im excluding blk males because i dont consider them minorities in the lifestyle.


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Why don't you consider black males to be a minority in the scene?

The statement made me wonder too...I know that on CM it seems that domiguy and Popeye are the only two black males I know of that write with any regularity at all. Whereas look how many white guys there are, submissive and dominant.


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RE: More minorities in the lifstyle - 7/26/2007 2:10:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah why don't you consider black males minorities in the lifestyle?  There are not many resources for all various people of color in the BDSM community this is why BlackBeat was created and POC (People Of Color) Forum was created within the Leather Leadership Conference.  When I started out as a kinky man of color, I was nervous to attend events because I wasn't sure how I'd be treated (this was in the south).  I started by attending Swingers parties that also had a limited number of people of color.  Eventually I decided I would attend and I've met great people but still there is a limit on people of color in BDSM communities in my experience.  I will say that in the gay male leather community, there are more black men around both Dom and sub than in the pansexual/het community based on my experience.

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RE: More minorities in the lifstyle - 7/26/2007 2:11:40 PM   
dovie


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RE: More minorities in the lifstyle - 7/26/2007 2:11:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Because I have been to events where its mostly interacial.  For example Blk male with his partner who's usually white.

I should also clarify when i say minorities im not just talking about blks im also including latin and asian ppl as well.


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RE: More minorities in the lifstyle - 7/26/2007 2:13:27 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		ya, that is a tough one.  But you look at the black on black prejudice out there and the seething nasties are for black male homosexuals or bi-sexuals.  go to afroerotik.com (just for one) and you will see that there is a large community out there, but go where black folk gather and there ain't gonna be talk about that in any large measure.

There are quite a few black folk out here, but they are not overly vocal because sooner or later there are gonna need to be evangelists, it is going to go to race relations----
Not everyone wants to be an integrator of that depth, they just want their pussy or dick like all the crackers out here and are not on a solve race issues at that expense mission.

I think it is hard for black folk to come out of the freaky closet, I loved Queen Latifah in Bringing Down the House, and thought JA!!!!!! But I don't know how many black folk saw it.

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RE: More minorities in the lifstyle - 7/26/2007 2:15:24 PM   
dovie


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Status: offline 		hugging Creative Dominant real tight and giving him a belly rub.......er, i don't think domiguy and popeye are Black although they appear to be very crute.

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RE: More minorities in the lifstyle - 7/26/2007 2:15:53 PM   
DarkDaddyZ


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Status: offline 		So are you asking more the question why don't you see more black couples or blacks who are in a relationship in the community?

If you are, I have to say that's a good question because for the most part many people of color in the lifestyle are in interracial relationships, not all but some. In the San Francisco Bay Area, Mr Worf started a group for all people of color that has quite a few black couples in BDSM relationships, still all in all I see more in interracial relationships. It's a testy subject at times.

One thing though remember that when you use the word "minorities" or "people of color" we tend to always assume black people.  There are many more people of different racial backgrounds into BDSM :) 

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RE: More minorities in the lifstyle - 7/26/2007 2:16:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: blkstick26

Because I have been to events where its mostly interacial. For example Blk male with his partner who's usually white.


Yes, but even at those events and the larger ones, it seems to me that the black males ARE in the minority. I would be willing to bet that if you were to have attended Thunder this past weekend, you would have stood out...as it were...in comparison to the number of white males there.

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RE: More minorities in the lifstyle - 7/26/2007 2:16:43 PM   
slaveish


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Status: offline 		Asking the majority how to attract the minority seems a fruitless pursuit. If we had any idea, the only minority issues we would have would be how many vegetarian meals to serve at munches. Why do you think this lifestyle isn't attractive to minorities and what are your thoughts about your own question?

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RE: More minorities in the lifstyle - 7/26/2007 2:17:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		just for clarification...do you really believe that Domiguy's avitar is his real pic? or something else? cause he's not Tupac....heck he's not even black according to his profile...

i don't think that there are anymore of one race than another in the lifestyle than if you took a cross section of the same area at the same time and day of all people (lifestyle and not)...

yes, if you have a group in an area that has a higher black population, there will be more black people in the local scene, at the same time if you go to an area that has a higher hispanic population...well you get the idea...in San Antonio there has only been one black guy that came to munches and parties regularly and even he doesn't come anymore...does the fact that if your exposure consists of no black guys mean there are no black guys in the scene? 

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RE: More minorities in the lifstyle - 7/26/2007 2:19:15 PM   
slaveish


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ORIGINAL: dovie

hugging Creative Dominant real tight and giving him a belly rub.......er, i don't think domiguy and popeye are Black although they appear to be very crute.


~chuckle~ I was going to point that out but you beat me to it.

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RE: More minorities in the lifstyle - 7/26/2007 2:23:44 PM   
DarkDaddyZ


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ORIGINAL: chellekitty
yes, if you have a group in an area that has a higher black population, there will be more black people in the local scene, at the same time if you go to an area that has a higher hispanic population...well you get the idea...in San Antonio there has only been one black guy that came to munches and parties regularly and even he doesn't come anymore...does the fact that if your exposure consists of no black guys mean there are no black guys in the scene? 


Actually I disagree unless things have changed.
In Atlanta, while several Leather Groups were lead by blacks, including PEP (Lady D) and and the Bulldog Leather Club by Rico Wade there was still a small number of blacks at BDSM events.  When I went to Black Rose events in DC at the time, there was probably 15 blacks at the event of 1,100 people.

Now I do know things have changed- after all BlackBeat is based out of the DC area but not entirely. This is actually a good thread and may bring up some dialogue from us minorities in the lifestyle.

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RE: More minorities in the lifstyle - 7/26/2007 2:26:09 PM   
shadevarr


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Status: offline 		Here is Houston, I see one black per 20 whites, and one hispanic or asian male per 50 whites. Females seem to be about twice as prevelent.

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RE: More minorities in the lifstyle - 7/26/2007 2:32:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dovie

hugging Creative Dominant real tight and giving him a belly rub.......er, i don't think domiguy and popeye are Black although they appear to be very crute.

dream well,
dovie


~grins~ thanks for the belly rub. Now...I do not know whether to be embarassed or just flustered; I honestly did not know that domiguy was not black (showing my ignorance here because I wouldn't recognize Tupac if he came up out of the grave and stepped up to me. I knew him from his pictures when all that was going on but that is a long time ago in my world). And it honestly wasn't anything in Popeye's writings that made me think that...on the computer I use, his avatar shows up with him looking very dark.

I will say that if I have offended either domiguy or Popeye, please accept my sincere apology.

I concede the point that there may well be as many black people in the scene as white people...however, others such as DarkDaddy, himself a black man, have noted that they do seem to be fewer in number at most events. Perhaps it is just because they are not as open about it or enjoy attending events less and maybe even join groups like collarme less but it does appear as if they are fewer in number.

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RE: More minorities in the lifstyle - 7/26/2007 2:36:53 PM   
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RE: More minorities in the lifstyle - 7/26/2007 2:40:26 PM   
chellekitty


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Status: offline 		i think our disagreement lies in the definition of lifestyle...you seem to be refering to it as the public scene...i am refering to it as people who regularly practice the elements of BDSM either seperately or as a whole...

edited to add: i see where the confusion lies...there are currently no black men regularly attenting my local events, does that mean there aren't any local black men in the lifestyle?


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RE: More minorities in the lifstyle - 7/26/2007 2:49:26 PM   
DarkDaddyZ


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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

i think our disagreement lies in the definition of lifestyle...you seem to be refering to it as the public scene...i am refering to it as people who regularly practice the elements of BDSM either seperately or as a whole...

edited to add: i see where the confusion lies...there are currently no black men regularly attenting my local events, does that mean there aren't any local black men in the lifestyle?


Good question, perhaps more black men and women practice BDSM in private, I know I was curious for years because I was afraid to go in public mostly because I wasn't sure how I'd be treated, and I did have some interesting situations when I was bottoming based on the fact that I got off on elements of race play.

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RE: More minorities in the lifstyle - 7/26/2007 4:51:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

yes, if you have a group in an area that has a higher black population, there will be more black people in the local scene, at the same time if you go to an area that has a higher hispanic population...well you get the idea...in San Antonio there has only been one black guy that came to munches and parties regularly and even he doesn't come anymore...does the fact that if your exposure consists of no black guys mean there are no black guys in the scene? 



Actually, I'd have to disagree with this statement as well, at least from my own experience. Last I looked, African Americans constitute 70% or more of Detroit's population, and yet, at least at the hetero functions, I don't need more than one hand free to count the number of African Americans in attendance. More often than not, my Master is the only African American person in the place even though there have been times when other people have shown up.

So, while it may seem that there is a correlation between the demographics of an area and those who attend functions, the reality is that it's just not so. It should be, but it's not.

What people do in private is a whole different discussion and it's probably very likely that there are many many people we haven't met yet simply because they don't engage in things publically, but since the public venue is all I have to go on, it just does not support the idea that geographics and demographics go hand in hand with event attendance.

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