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RE: Are they here for D/s or for sex? - 7/28/2007 12:00:04 PM   
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i understand both sides of this... i see how poison works to try to convence you that.. when someone is looking for one thing and someone is looking for something else how easy it is to get offended. So here is my take on this. life is to short to add to stupid things iif all they want to do is screw then goto a swingers club..I always here well what if they want that or we should be respectful HELLO life is never the way you want. you can only try to do the right things hope for the best. but common SENSE tells you if someone is not doing something that is not correct in your worlds leave them be go on to more happy things. I have a saying i am cool with life till you step on my toes or interfere with my happiness...when wrongs become rights and rights become wrongs we our truely out of balance. for what is a foundation with out a level ground to put it on.. this means level and equal. no one person is greater then anyone but unto our own selves be true yep :)

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RE: Are they here for D/s or for sex? - 7/28/2007 12:01:51 PM   
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I guess I read this in a whole different way than most of the folks here. What else is new. ::chuckles::

Aside from the fact that posting personal email is a violation of TOS and the title of the thread wasn't really appropriate to the OP, what I gather is that this girl wrote to you and this reply to her was your initial response. (I may be wrong, but that is the way I read it.) That suggests to me that it has nothing to do with your screening process.

Someone wrote to you, you saw some sort of potential in her intial correspondance that caused you to respond rather than automatically toss it into the circular file. You decided, as many dominants do, that remaining true to your own ideas and nature required you to set forth the protocols which would remain in place throughout any relationship in which the two of you might engage. IMO, you are entirely within your rights to do just that and there are many submissives out there who are looking for that very thing. There are enough of us who appreciate such, right from the get go, and it has nothing to do with being owned yet or anything of the sort. Rather, it's an establishment of boundaries. I thrive on it myself and my own Master of 10+ years had a very similar approach and for us, it worked. He established immediately exactly what he expected as far as behavior and protocol in communication and I appreciated it and was intrigued by it because it was, actually, fairly unusual.

All that said, that sort of thinking is rather old school and not everyone goes with that particular flow so what it boils down to is, as others have pointed out, is an issue of compatibility. A single submissive who doesn't adhere to what 'your' ideas are regarding BDSM and D/s doesn't mean the vast majority should be denigrated and renounced for it. Her response to you could be construed as rude. Your rant about it could be construed as a bit of a loss of control so it seems to me, the whole thing is a wash. She's obviously gone now, and is no longer in your classroom to learn from you, or to learn your ways. You have, however, an opportunity to learn, should you so desire.. the lesson is before you but it's up to you to whether or not you wish to learn it.

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edited to add:: Welcome to the forums, LthrMaam. I hope you decide to give it another shot, because I'd probably enjoy corresponding with you here and reading what you have to say. I do enjoy the old school flow. :)

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RE: Are they here for D/s or for sex? - 7/28/2007 12:12:20 PM   
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Slightly off topic but I wouldn't want to exchange power with anyone who wasn't my equal.
  Master and I share that same view. You can't have a power exchange unless both of you have some power to exchange.

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RE: Are they here for D/s or for sex? - 7/28/2007 12:12:25 PM   
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So I'm substandard because I'm looking for sex?  Thank you random stranger who knows nothing about me telling me my errors.  I will now be able to sleep tonight.

Ok, let me turn down the sarcasm setting just a bit here and offer this - I'm presuming you have never spoken to this person either on the phone or in person.  So, given that - who gave the tone? 

Finally, if she interests you at all, why don't you reply to her and say "here is what I want" and "here is how I expect to be spoken to"?

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RE: Are they here for D/s or for sex? - 7/28/2007 12:14:55 PM   
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"Are they here for D/s or for sex?"

Are they here for the fancy French restaurant or for the food?

Are they here for the boxing match or for the violence?

Are they here for the rock concert or for the music?

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RE: Are they here for D/s or for sex? - 7/28/2007 12:19:10 PM   
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So I'm substandard because I'm looking for sex? 


Why is there no one in my area looking for sex?

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RE: Are they here for D/s or for sex? - 7/28/2007 12:23:53 PM   
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Location, Location, Location!

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RE: Are they here for D/s or for sex? - 7/28/2007 12:25:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

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ORIGINAL: BlueEyedSubinDE

So I'm substandard because I'm looking for sex? 


Why is there no one in my area looking for sex?


Aww.... I'm sure someone in your area is looking for sex!

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RE: Are they here for D/s or for sex? - 7/28/2007 12:34:53 PM   
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Mrs Hobbs of number 5 has been looking at me in a funny way but I like women with their own teeth so to speak.

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RE: Are they here for D/s or for sex? - 7/28/2007 12:37:11 PM   
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OK I admit I made up Mrs Hobbs damn not even my imaginary women are attractive.

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RE: Are they here for D/s or for sex? - 7/28/2007 12:47:00 PM   
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I thought the original post by LthrMaam was interesting. She only has 2 post is why she got mostly slammed. Thats a great way to encourage new people posting. If it was a forum favorite poster, the red carpet would have been rolled out.

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RE: Are they here for D/s or for sex? - 7/28/2007 12:48:18 PM   
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Two posts that you know of. It always tends to work out like this I think and not everyone was critical it's a matter of tone I think you'll find; most were being constructive I felt but they may have come accross as being bossy.

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RE: Are they here for D/s or for sex? - 7/28/2007 12:49:56 PM   
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what about those TSP reports

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RE: Are they here for D/s or for sex? - 7/28/2007 12:50:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

IMO, you are entirely within your rights to do just that and there are many submissives out there who are looking for that very thing. There are enough of us who appreciate such, right from the get go, and it has nothing to do with being owned yet or anything of the sort. Rather, it's an establishment of boundaries.
  I can agree with that. But, I think it has a great deal to do with how you couch that request as well. By going into lecture mode you've now downgraded the person you're speaking to into the role of a child. You've put them on the defensive and the submissive lashed back as a child, which is the role she was pushed into. (psycho babble, I know)

It's very likely that the submissive thought she was being polite and respectful. Email is a cold and emotionless form of communication. We don't have tone of voice, timing, facial expression or gestures to operate off of. And some people are awkward and uncomfortable in email.

So my view is: A) the Dominant should have laid it out (in adult terms) how she wished to addressed in detail. Saying "Don't be bossy" is subjective. B) The Dominant should not have posted personal correspondence on the boards. C) She should not have assumed that everyone has the same view of D/s that she does.

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RE: Are they here for D/s or for sex? - 7/28/2007 12:53:37 PM   
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Wow!!!!  Hello to E/everyone for the first time.  i am a Leather slave girl, trained originally in Dallas and have served Mistresses in New England, the Midwest, and San Francisco.  i've been around the track a few times, and decided to respond to this thread because i think i might know a few things about the subject.

i read Ms. E's profile, Her original post and all the subsequent posts written in response to Her.  Having lived my life as a slave for some time, i was shocked at the number of F/folks W/who attacked Ms. E. for instructing the submissive to use Her preferred protocols of speech.

Her profile clearly states that She is a Leatherwoman, trained in Old Guard tradition; and it clearly states what type of submissive/slave She is searching for.  For a girl responding to Ms. E's profile to write, "Get back to me.  Let me know," that submissive girl would have to be entirely new to the life, entirely ignorant of Leather protocol, or, if experienced, then simply way too unconscious of simple D/s manners to be writing to the Ms. E. described in that profile.

i found Ms. E.'s "constructive criticism" quite gentle.  i would expect some kind of correction from any Domme worth Her salt, so to speak, if i were to say to Her, "Get back to me."  This submissive contacted Ms. E. -- not the other way around -- in response to Her profile, which clearly states some expectations.  By contacting Ms. E., i feel that the girl gave Ms. E "limited consent" to at least expect courtesy and some semblance of "submissive speech." 

Ms. E.'s response, Her constructive criticism, and Her instruction to please, rephrase more precisely defined the manner of speech She expects from a girl who might desire to serve or play with Her.  The girl could have written back and said something like, "If it pleases You, Ma'am, i would be honored to continue this discussion with You."  Instead, she wrote back all hot and bothered and suggested the correction implied Ms. E. was looking for mindless bimbos.  Get back to me  ???????   Where i live in the world of Leather, that is a little beyond "loose."  None of the submissives in my little corner of the Leather world would speak that way to any Dom/Domme, regardless of Ownership or other relationship.  It would be considered rude and unacceptable.

i'm not saying that the rest of Y/you have to follow Ms. E.'s rules or the rules i live by.  Not at all.  But a girl who has read Ms. E.'s profile and writes to Her to explore the possibility of a relationship needs to get with the program or expect to be "instructed" to learn the rules .... or the thing is going to go nowhere.  Why write to Ms. E in the first place?

The thing about sex .....  Really, Ms. E's profile makes it pretty clear that "sex" is not a primary objective in Her variety of Leather D/s.  There is nothing wrong with looking for kinky sex online.  There's certainly nothing wrong with hoping to find a Mistress Who likes sexual play.  But how someone could read Ms. E.'s profile and think she was going to get a hot D/s sexual marathon with no protocol or other D/s dynamic makes no sense to me.  Ms. E.'s "bubble" is Her D/s Headspace.  i can see why the girl's cavalier slang was such a downer for Her.

Last, i guess i have to say that i was annoyed with the girl for implying that those submissives who work hard to be mindful of our protocols and rules and who cherish the Leather traditions are mindless bimbos.  i most certainly am not.  It can require great effort and focus to maintain behavioral and speech protocols at times: e,g,, conversing/dealing with Tops at play parties Who have not obtained my Owner's permission to speak with me or touch me.  But, as Ms. E. said, i represent Ms. Cindy Who trained me, Mistress Victoria, Sir and Lady Shadowfind, and Mistress Lashes Whom i've served, my Leather Family, the Leather community, and myself each time i act or speak where other lifestyle F/folk can see or hear me. 

As for Ms. E. and this forum, perhaps She assumed that the forum would be interested in a serious, thoughtful discussion about the manners with which W/we speak to one another on Collarme.com. 

As for myself, i, too, apologize for bothering or boring A/anyone with my thoughts on this subject.  i don't suppose there are any rules which compell those who would drink coffee to read my post.

Respectfully,
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RE: Are they here for D/s or for sex? - 7/28/2007 12:59:24 PM   
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Hate to burst your own bubble, but you just don't talk to total strangers in an email or a forum like this as E did.  It's ...
bad form.

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RE: Are they here for D/s or for sex? - 7/28/2007 1:03:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

IMO, you are entirely within your rights to do just that and there are many submissives out there who are looking for that very thing. There are enough of us who appreciate such, right from the get go, and it has nothing to do with being owned yet or anything of the sort. Rather, it's an establishment of boundaries.
  I can agree with that. But, I think it has a great deal to do with how you couch that request as well. By going into lecture mode you've now downgraded the person you're speaking to into the role of a child. You've put them on the defensive and the submissive lashed back as a child, which is the role she was pushed into. (psycho babble, I know)

It's very likely that the submissive thought she was being polite and respectful. Email is a cold and emotionless form of communication. We don't have tone of voice, timing, facial expression or gestures to operate off of. And some people are awkward and uncomfortable in email.

So my view is: A) the Dominant should have laid it out (in adult terms) how she wished to addressed in detail. Saying "Don't be bossy" is subjective. B) The Dominant should not have posted personal correspondence on the boards. C) She should not have assumed that everyone has the same view of D/s that she does.


very cool alittle bit of maslow thinking :)

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RE: Are they here for D/s or for sex? - 7/28/2007 1:19:36 PM   
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Which exactly proves the point.

Her approach is perfect for slaves like you. Her OP is not complaining about those who don't understand the leather lifestyle, it's complaining about the attitudes of "substandard attitudes of some of the girls (so called submissives/slaves) on this site!  LADIES, please understand that you are on a site called "collarme.com" . . . not "fuckme.com".  Any *real* Dominant you find on this site is going to be interested in far more than your fuckhole!!"

Dominants are only people and some people, at certain stages of their lives or throughout their whole life, are only interested in sex. Therefore, she simply lacks the authority to decide what any real dominant would do.

Her approach is perfect for those who feel the way she does. However, she wasn't complaining about someone saying they were leather and then proving they weren't. She was saying this is a substandard attitude which it just isn't. It's just a different way of doing d/s.

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RE: Are they here for D/s or for sex? - 7/28/2007 1:26:45 PM   
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I can agree with that. But, I think it has a great deal to do with how you couch that request as well. By going into lecture mode you've now downgraded the person you're speaking to into the role of a child. You've put them on the defensive and the submissive lashed back as a child, which is the role she was pushed into. (psycho babble, I know)


I can see this to a point, but there are some pretty clear indications in the profile and journal that such should have been expected as well. I don't entirely buy that someone can push me into child mode via an email unless it's a mindset that I already carry. No harm, no foul though. Without the initial email from the lady in question, at best this is speculation on our part.

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It's very likely that the submissive thought she was being polite and respectful. Email is a cold and emotionless form of communication. We don't have tone of voice, timing, facial expression or gestures to operate off of. And some people are awkward and uncomfortable in email.


I don't know about 'very likely' but certainly with in the realm of possibility. :)

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So my view is: A) the Dominant should have laid it out (in adult terms) how she wished to addressed in detail.


I agree and, imo anyway, I do believe LthrMaam did exactly that very thing in her journal.

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Saying "Don't be bossy" is subjective.


I agree with that as well and LthrMaam viewed it as her perspective dictated and made her feelings known about the subject very early in the correspondance. To me, that's the whole point of communication, so you can find out if everyone is on the same page. They weren't and ideally, both sides would realized that and let it go in an adult manner. IMO, neither of them did such and hence this thread was born.

I don't hold that dominants are flawless, but the reaction to LthrMaam's email, to me at least, was fairly insulting to anyone who would have appreciated the letter she obviously put time and thought into writing. "Mindless bimbo's" isn't exactly a compliment and perhaps she didn't realize that she wasn't insulting LthrMaam so much as she was insulting every submissive who would have responded differently from her to LthrMaam's email. Then again, she would not have been able to foresee that such would have been posted on a public board either. There was enough fault on both sides for sure.

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B) The Dominant should not have posted personal correspondence on the boards. C) She should not have assumed that everyone has the same view of D/s that she does.


I absolutely agree 100% with both those thoughts. That said, I believe an assumption can be made when someone contacts you, they have, indeed, read your profile and journals and, do have similar thoughts as to what you've presented or they wouldn't have written to you in the first place. To take that belief and turn it around on the populace of a message board is an entirely different animal though.. so that was the bad of LthrMaam for her own assumption.

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RE: Are they here for D/s or for sex? - 7/28/2007 1:28:51 PM   
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NEWSFLASH!

We ALL know many are here for sex, many here are freaks and many here are swingers.
We can't change that.
It is a free site, and open to any and every one.
That is what you find here and on the internet: Any and Every one.

Fasten your seat belts, it is going to be a bumpy ride.


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