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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

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ORIGINAL: robertolapiedra
Hello Mistoferin. We agree. Some dynamics are "willful" based and the dom is not expected to correct disciplinary issues. However when things are not functioning, he always has the option to pull the plug on the D/s and force the issue at the communication level when things get less "willful".

The downside for a dom is that this is verrrry scary, as many fear the risk of things not starting up again, or that major "unfavorable" negotiations would ensue. On the sub's side of things, there may be fear of being rejected and he/she may over concede stuff and make things even more difficult for him/herself in the future.

I'm not sure I fully understand what you mean RL. I've spent a whole lotta years in power exchange relationships where punishment wasn't part of the dynamic, but I don't think I have ever experienced a Dominant pulling the D/s plug or times when it was not functioning. Communication is always open and ongoing. I don't know, sometimes I read these boards and I feel like an alien from another planet.

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ORIGINAL: Archer
When a punishment is ordered then one submits to punishment or one does not submit to it.
Not submitting to the punishment breaks the power exchange. It is refusal of an order.

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

In reading profiles when I have time I always come across the issue of punishment, the sub needs it! earns it! uses it as guidance! etc.

But little is said as to the course of action when the punishment is rejected.

Any thoughts?

CelticPrince

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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

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i Need Your Love and Understanding.

i Earn Your Respect and my place Under Your Shadow.

i am Guided by Your Wisdom and Compassionate Command.

i find the call for Punishment follows Failure.

i ponder the existence of Failure, and ponder the existence of Power.  

i then ask, Whom has failed, and Whom should know punishment?

chia* (the pet) 

if Sir orders me to do something, and i cannot do it, i am asked why, listened to, and correction is made....whether to me for not doing it, or his request is altered.

if Sir orders me to do something and i do not do it, i am asked why, listened to....and probably punished, depending on the reason i give.

there are reasons to punish sometimes, yes.  but those punisments, to me, are loving corrections by my Daddy who loves me.

kitten, who's not ever had worse than a stern lecture, because she keeps trying even when she cant complete something.

(in reply to chiaThePet)

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ORIGINAL: asubmissiveheart

I never realized submissive's had the option of rejecting punishment!

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince
Because it is punishment rejected, it has to be in an established relationship.

In my view it does not follow that one could reject the premise of punishment in "negotiations" in that at that point there is no relationship>

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ORIGINAL: Daughterofbaal

AdoraCat,
You brought up a great point regarding the reasoning behind the refusal. Sometimes life interferes with plans and its just that the punishment might be unreasonable at that time. Also, there are so many forms of punishment, as previously discussed,  that particular way of punishment might be a hard limit
or something that doesn't fit the dynamic. In my opinion, it is not only expected of the Slave to follow through with punishment but it is expected of the
Master or Mistress to create punishment which is befitting the situation. Ultimately it all comes down to communication and establishing why the refusal was made in the first place. None of us can tell you that, only she can.