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Rafters -> RE: gender roles and $$$ (7/30/2007 12:55:12 AM)
I dunno about you Yanks, but in NZ, EVERY women I have asked has had a job (except for one who was thinking of giving up being a vanilla housewife and turning Pro-Domme) It may be my no-marrieds, smarties prefered, demographic, but they all have an independent vanilla life. BDSM is a strand interweaved among other non BDSM strands.

Jasmyn -> RE: gender roles and $$$ (7/30/2007 2:38:07 AM)
Re moving a couch and stairways All ya need is an open window, a rope, and the strength of will to pull like a buggar ... blame it on growing up in a family with 9 boys but my head tend's to think logically about these things ..when there's a will there is a way .. Totally off topic ...but hey, it wasn't me who brought up couches [:D]

DawnFire -> RE: gender roles and $$$ (7/30/2007 4:04:29 AM)
Brains over brawn every time. Love it. Thanks for the light hearted comment. quote: ORIGINAL: Jasmyn Re moving a couch and stairways All ya need is an open window, a rope, and the strength of will to pull like a buggar ... blame it on growing up in a family with 9 boys but my head tend's to think logically about these things ..when there's a will there is a way .. Totally off topic ...but hey, it wasn't me who brought up couches [:D] As for all the rest of this gender fight that has nothing to do with the original question... For all of you that think women can't do this or that - we can, have, and will do so again. Also, taking a gender studies class at your local university would really open your eyes. For all of you Women (and men) that are arguing with those that say we can't do it, three things - 1. Many of the women that these people quote have decided not to try for career over family and that's their choice. Just because some women are nurturing their caring side does not mean that those of us that take the opportunities can't make as much of them as any male. Even with the proven prejudices against women. And Some women choose not to try for socially defined reasons, for them we should teach them empowerment. 2. All our facts and figures mean nothing to close minded individuals who will not even consider the fact that we may know what we are talking about. We can't change that. 3. We know we can do anything we put our minds to so lets do it and let those who don't believe it stare open mouthed at our abilities. -Dawn Your friendly neighborhood Marketing Professional and Feminist

sireninchains -> RE: gender roles and $$$ (7/30/2007 9:25:21 AM)
I think theres a larger point here, It's more than the ability to do the job, or the inherent fact that women are oppressed on some deeper level. People have made excellent points, but whose to say men don't get the short end of the stick too. And before you think I am crazy, please listen for a second, because I swear I have sociological evidence. We, as women, have come a tremendous ways to being equal with the male gender, and any male with a brain will say that we can do the same work as he can, even if we are built physically different. But, when it really comes down to it, when a man and a woman are out of a job, whos the bum and whos just down on their luck? :) EXACTLY!!! Men!!! It takes us longer to rise higher in the employment and wage scale but when we fall we dont fall as far. This, is because we always have the roles (whether we want them or not) as potential housewives or babymakers -.-. But hey, it keeps us higher on the sociological social status scale doodad than the average unemployed male. I can go on for awhile on this, my sociology instructor lectured on it for several classes last semester, but I happen to be late for math. Laters.

hereyesruponyou -> RE: gender roles and $$$ (7/30/2007 11:11:41 AM)
So Siren, do you feel this is reflected in the way that it is often considered that submissive men who do not work are lazy and taking advantage and submissive women who do not work are just "doing what is expected of them"?

quietboynyc -> RE: gender roles and $$$ (7/30/2007 11:27:14 AM)
It seems that male subs, female doms, and male doms(?) may be physically strong or weak, but female subs tend to be physically weak. If they were physically strong, they probably wouldn't be submissive, or vice-versa. On the other hand, not all jobs require physical strength.

chellekitty -> RE: gender roles and $$$ (7/30/2007 11:27:28 AM)
i believe when you try to lump everyone together its like any other absolute...there are always exceptions....and when you look at a society, whether it be geographic - local, state, national - cultural, race, sub-cultural, etc. rather than the individual, you will find a general theme that is contradicted by someone if not a lot of someones... my question is, Is there now or has there ever been a society, small or large, where the female has been the primary money maker? not trying to be argumentative, seriously asking, because i can not think of one...even Matriarchal societies, where a woman or women were clearly in charge, men were still expected to make money...this is also assuming the society had a standard of money, not a barter system... take care chelle

sireninchains -> RE: gender roles and $$$ (7/30/2007 12:00:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hereyesruponyou So Siren, do you feel this is reflected in the way that it is often considered that submissive men who do not work are lazy and taking advantage and submissive women who do not work are just "doing what is expected of them"? On a personal note, if the submissive (of either genders) Master wanted them at home and not working, I wouldnt see them as lazy. But from a societal point of view, I dont think it has to do with BDSM at all, I think its just the way it is, it is ok for women not to work, but when a man is out of a job, hes a lazy bum.

sireninchains -> RE: gender roles and $$$ (7/30/2007 12:02:22 PM)
Wow...i didnt mean to come off so bitchy in that post. Sorry. >.<. I just got out of class. I hate math...

Rafters -> RE: gender roles and $$$ (7/30/2007 12:08:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: quietboynyc It seems that male subs, female doms, and male doms(?) may be physically strong or weak, but female subs tend to be physically weak. If they were physically strong, they probably wouldn't be submissive, or vice-versa. LOL So there's no mental aspect to submissions, nor any form of Yin/Yang experimentation involved?

sophia37 -> RE: gender roles and $$$ (7/30/2007 12:17:04 PM)
In my circle of 21 family/friends, 10 men 11 women,...75% of the women make more money than and or support the husbands. mall sampling but it feels normal to me when women hold the financial power.

CreativeDominant -> RE: gender roles and $$$ (7/30/2007 12:26:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl Men can make so much more than women. My father just retired from a union oil refinery. Even if I got a masters degree I wouldn't make as much as he did while he was working. When I get out of college, I'll be lucky if my salary matches his retirement pension (social security not included). I see nothing wrong with society's view on freeloading men. Considering the comparison in earning potential, I would say this attitude is plenty fair. When jobs that women can do start paying as much as jobs women aren't physically capable of doing, maybe I'll change my mind. ~feeling the vertical line in my forehead begin to deepen~ So, let me get this straight....because men can often...though not always...make more than women (by taking jobs that a woman cannot or will not do, in many instances), then in any instance where a man does not work, it is O.K. for society to see him as a freeloader? But...if a woman does not work, and as long as the reasons given are that she cannot make as much in the field she has chosen for herself as a man in a differing field OR that she chooses to devote herself to family and partner, then it would not be valid to even entertain the idea that she might be a freeloader? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

LaTigresse -> RE: gender roles and $$$ (7/30/2007 12:31:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl Men can make so much more than women. My father just retired from a union oil refinery. Even if I got a masters degree I wouldn't make as much as he did while he was working. When I get out of college, I'll be lucky if my salary matches his retirement pension (social security not included). I see nothing wrong with society's view on freeloading men. Considering the comparison in earning potential, I would say this attitude is plenty fair. When jobs that women can do start paying as much as jobs women aren't physically capable of doing, maybe I'll change my mind. The only person that is going to limit your income is YOU! If you don't like it, change it. edited to add.........the only freeloaders in my house are 4 legged and furry.[:D]

Twicehappy2x -> RE: gender roles and $$$ (7/30/2007 1:27:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin quote: ORIGINAL: hereyesruponyou Example...female sub/slave is often expected to not work, stay home and devote her time to her dominant, his home etc... he provides financially. This is seen as acceptable. Do you happen to have any of their contact info??? [sm=lol.gif] Write to ScooterTrash here at collarme....... Ok, Mistoferin, you can give me a pie in the face for that one, but i could not resist, lmao!

Twicehappy2x -> RE: gender roles and $$$ (7/30/2007 1:29:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: quietboynyc but female subs tend to be physically weak. If they were physically strong, they probably wouldn't be submissive, Oh boy are you wrong! Bet you think being a housewife is not really work either!

MagiksSlave -> RE: gender roles and $$$ (7/30/2007 1:30:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl quote: ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji As to carrying a hide a bed up a flight of stairs, by yourself? Anyone who can do this will be given $1000 by me, following proof thereof. You decide. Yours, benji So if I sent you a dvd recording of someone walking up stairs while carrying a hide a bed couch, you would send that person $1000? Where do you think I came up with the idea unless I had seen someone do it? It happened 14 years ago. My father was helping me move into an upstairs apartment. I told him to leave the couch outside the door and I would find a couple of guys to carry it up the stairs. He must have been afraid it would rain or something. I offered to carry one end but he said I wasn't strong enough. I watched him stand the couch on one end. lift it from the bottom, and walk up the stairs with it. If my calculations are correct, he was approximately 49 yrs old at the time. I sooo wish I had a video camera back then. I doubt if he could do it now though since he's in his 60's but I shall pass on the word. Now THAT explains a lot.... Got to love a man that opresses his own child!! ms

daddysliloneds -> RE: gender roles and $$$ (7/30/2007 1:32:21 PM)
i'd sure like to know where you're getting your figures from because i've yet to have anyone support me, even when i was married!

MagiksSlave -> RE: gender roles and $$$ (7/30/2007 1:36:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: quietboynyc It seems that male subs, female doms, and male doms(?) may be physically strong or weak, but female subs tend to be physically weak. If they were physically strong, they probably wouldn't be submissive, or vice-versa. On the other hand, not all jobs require physical strength. Um....Wow I dont even know what to say but this is one of the most wrong statements I have ever heard... But Ill let the rest of the "weak" sub girls here rip you a new one for this shovanistic ill informed statment. ms

AquaticSub -> RE: gender roles and $$$ (7/30/2007 1:46:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: quietboynyc It seems that male subs, female doms, and male doms(?) may be physically strong or weak, but female subs tend to be physically weak. If they were physically strong, they probably wouldn't be submissive, or vice-versa. On the other hand, not all jobs require physical strength. Wow... which fem subs have you been hanging out with? Valyraen adores me because I have the ability to kill him yet the desire to submit to him.

AquaticSub -> RE: gender roles and $$$ (7/30/2007 1:49:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave Now THAT explains a lot.... Got to love a man that opresses his own child!! ms Sad thing is it really might. Even when I was small, I was treated as strong. I helped carry the all the heavy things for my mother, and then my father as his back started to act up. The only reason this has changed is because my back has started to go out much too early and we don't want to make it worse.

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