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SoftKajira -> RE: Twue Punishment (8/4/2007 3:57:06 PM)
Why should I spend my tax dollars supporting some child molesting/murdering bastard because some people don't like the death penalty?.. I'm all for the death penalty and think it should go way quicker instead of having people sit on death row for years. They should be killed within two weeks at the most. The corporal punishment thing for lesser crimes I can agree with that. I believe it would deter some people. But for serial killers, child molesters/murderers, and a few other horrific crimes.. I mean.. really?.. do you honestly believe corporal punishment is going to "change" them?

Level -> RE: Twue Punishment (8/4/2007 4:00:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoftKajira Why should I spend my tax dollars supporting some child molesting/murdering bastard because some people don't like the death penalty?.. I'm all for the death penalty and think it should go way quicker instead of having people sit on death row for years. They should be killed within two weeks at the most. The corporal punishment thing for lesser crimes I can agree with that. I believe it would deter some people. But for serial killers, child molesters/murderers, and a few other horrific crimes.. I mean.. really?.. do you honestly believe corporal punishment is going to "change" them? What if you kill someone that is innocent? Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet?

Masternslave07 -> RE: Twue Punishment (8/4/2007 4:08:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Satyr6406 quote: ORIGINAL: MsBearlee Bravo! While it is likely we disagree in there somewhere...I appreciate your consistency. I've always wondered how it is so many people are so radically pro-life (read that: anti-abortionists), yet are perfectly happy killing killers. Odd, in my book. Beverly As an "Anti-abortionist" and a "supporter" of the death penalty, I can tell you there's no inconsistancy. One is an innocent whose only "crime" is the fact that their parents think they'd be too much of an inconvenience. The other is a raping, child-molesting, killing-for-hire piece of shit who IS an inconvenience. Peace and comfort, Michael It is a strange world when your morals are questioned because you are happy to put a murderer to death, but believe a fetus who has harmed nobody deserves to live. Strange indeed.

Bearlee -> RE: Twue Punishment (8/4/2007 6:22:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Masternslave07 quote: ORIGINAL: Satyr6406 quote: ORIGINAL: MsBearlee Bravo! While it is likely we disagree in there somewhere...I appreciate your consistency. I've always wondered how it is so many people are so radically pro-life (read that: anti-abortionists), yet are perfectly happy killing killers. Odd, in my book. As an "Anti-abortionist" and a "supporter" of the death penalty, I can tell you there's no inconsistancy. One is an innocent whose only "crime" is the fact that their parents think they'd be too much of an inconvenience. The other is a raping, child-molesting, killing-for-hire piece of shit who IS an inconvenience. It is a strange world when your morals are questioned because you are happy to put a murderer to death, but believe a fetus who has harmed nobody deserves to live. Strange indeed. Had either of you managed to quote my ENTIRE post where I responded to Blue, you would have included the reference to religious beliefs against killing; killing without exception. I think if you are going to play here, you should pay more attention. While I was not questioning anybody's morals; I sometimes question logic...and was applauding his. Thank you very much... Beverly

SoftKajira -> RE: Twue Punishment (8/4/2007 6:47:43 PM)
What if you kill someone that is innocent? Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet? [/quote] of course the innocent argument always comes up. I won't even get into it because of course as a non-believer in the death penalty you will have all your arguments "DNA can be wrong and everything can be wrong and you shouldn't risk it and so on".. I've heard them all, just as I have my own arguments and reasons for supporting it, which I'm sure you have heard before, so i definitely am not getting into.I support the death penalty and will continue to do so.. :-)

Level -> RE: Twue Punishment (8/4/2007 7:04:50 PM)
Okay, but in an effort to really save time and money, I suggest we start killing defendants before they go to trial. [X(]

MsBearlee -> RE: Twue Punishment (8/4/2007 7:07:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoftKajira Why should I spend my tax dollars supporting some child molesting/murdering bastard because some people don't like the death penalty?.. I'm all for the death penalty and think it should go way quicker instead of having people sit on death row for years. They should be killed within two weeks at the most. The corporal punishment thing for lesser crimes I can agree with that. I believe it would deter some people. But for serial killers, child molesters/murderers, and a few other horrific crimes.. I mean.. really?.. do you honestly believe corporal punishment is going to "change" them? quote: ORIGINAL: SoftKajira quote: ORIGINAL: Level What if you kill someone that is innocent? Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet? of course the innocent argument always comes up. I won't even get into it because of course as a non-believer in the death penalty you will have all your arguments "DNA can be wrong and everything can be wrong and you shouldn't risk it and so on".. I've heard them all, just as I have my own arguments and reasons for supporting it, which I'm sure you have heard before, so i definitely am not getting into.I support the death penalty and will continue to do so.. :-) SoftKajira (?), First of all, I was not suggesting a caning and then to be set free. Secondly, by and large the murders and child molesters of which you speak...got to that place after years and years of criminal behavior; they grow up INTO it. What I was suggesting was a good ol' fashioned whipping (not unlike what the video showed and nothing like the Fey boy got)...EARLY ON. I, for one, used to think I was against the death penalty purely for economic reasons; but someone here showed me the error of my ways. Now though, I realize it's a moral thing for me. I again defer to Level; when they get to be murderers & child molesters strong punishment, hard labor and no TV or computers...and never seeing the free world would be fine by me and we'd not have to worry about the innocents put to death. Yeah, bring back the chain-gang and lets get some infrastructure worked on! B

MsBearlee -> RE: Twue Punishment (8/4/2007 7:09:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level Okay, but in an effort to really save time and money, I suggest we start killing defendants before they go to trial. [X(] <spews on the computer screen again!> Dammit, Level!!! Please... Beverly

Sinergy -> RE: Twue Punishment (8/4/2007 7:13:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Masternslave07 It is a strange world when your morals are questioned because you are happy to put a murderer to death, but believe a fetus who has harmed nobody deserves to live. Strange indeed. [sarcasm] I completely agree, it is horrible to abort a fetus whose only reason for dying is because his/her mother was gang raped. [/sarcasm] Fish, barrel, bang. Sinergy

Level -> RE: Twue Punishment (8/4/2007 7:13:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsBearlee quote: ORIGINAL: Level Okay, but in an effort to really save time and money, I suggest we start killing defendants before they go to trial. [X(] <spews on the computer screen again!> Dammit, Level!!! Please... Beverly I am a uniter, not a divider. [:D]

Sinergy -> RE: Twue Punishment (8/4/2007 7:15:12 PM)
The main problem with making infinitive statements tends to be that all one has to do is find the exception to make the statement completely idiotic. Sinergy

cuddleheart50 -> RE: Twue Punishment (8/4/2007 7:17:04 PM)
~fast reply~ Not directed at anyone. Now I know why I dont state my opinions about these issues.

Level -> RE: Twue Punishment (8/4/2007 7:17:32 PM)
Exactly, like "Republicans are _______", or "liberals are _________" [8\|]

kiyari -> RE: Twue Punishment (8/4/2007 7:20:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsBearlee Okay, I've been spending too much time in the Off-Topic board I think...I came up with this thought: The US is one of the few countries left which carries out the uncivilized practice of punishment by death. Personally...I think it's just too expensive a punishment (for us I mean) and rather think corporal punishment EARLY in a person's career-path-to-crime might be the more civilized idea. Seems to me this is done in China, too...and don't they have far less crime there? The link to a clip (it's adult, you'll have to say you're one) shows how humanly punishment can be dealt out, and ya know...it's something I'd like to do to a few idiots I've read here; but that's just me talking. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=whip+penalize Seriously, why is it we'll put people to death after YEARS spent in prison, most often for the final deed a bad person’s lifetime of offenses, but find something as simple as spanking the bad-one’s butt horrific? I think it might change more than one person’s career choice, as long as it was done early-on. Yanno? I wonder what Michael Fay is doin these days...(course, they did go easy on him; the little punk said it was like a bloody nose! With a father like his, perhaps he continued on his career-path; but I bet he stays out of China!) Ha! B I have none of the particulars... not that sort of memory, and it was an incidental thing years ago ... BUT... I do recall some television show revolving around a death-row man who wanted to die for what he was there for... and had to fight 'tooth-and-nail' against his court-appointed attorneys, wanting them NOT to appeal. At the time this aired, it was not yet resolved (and I have no further info, as to whether or when it ever did resolve) There is MONEY in appeals... the principal involved (the human behind the case) is incidental. Edited to Add: Most likey TAXPAYER money (that unlimited Golden Goose) despite that our Prison System has been "Privatised"...

Level -> RE: Twue Punishment (8/4/2007 7:26:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cuddleheart50 ~fast reply~ Not directed at anyone. Now I know why I dont state my opinions about these issues. Completely understandable, cuddles. Now, how soon should we kill the defendants? As they're coming up the courthouse steps, or wait until they take the stand? [:D]

cuddleheart50 -> RE: Twue Punishment (8/4/2007 7:29:47 PM)
why wait til they take the stand? [8\|]

Level -> RE: Twue Punishment (8/4/2007 7:36:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cuddleheart50 why wait til they take the stand? [8\|] So, we take them out before hand. And we could use machetes, save on bullets? Maybe go back to the gladiator days ("Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?")...... charge admission, and use the money raised to boost congress' salaries...... we're on to something, now......

kiyari -> Killing to... Remove (8/4/2007 7:37:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level Good morning, Michael. I do agree that the death penalty deters some, and I certainly understand those that support it, but I hate the idea of killing to punish. Put the bastards on a chain-gang, no TV, no cigs, no lifting weights, work their ass off, 6 days a week. And do away with early release for a lot of these people. Well... If "LIFE" truly meant that, rather than being mere "newspeak" ... and the Condemned could be placed in some context such that they could be made societally useful ... then I would heartily support such an alternative. Sadly, the aforementioned not being Reality at present... 'Termination' does have a chilling effect upon 'recidivism'. Caveat: Were it that laws that condemn be rational and reasonable, which in my perception they presently are Not. Perhaps the evil in this equation has more to do with the ubiquitness of 'society' in context No open spaces left for the 'misfits'

cuddleheart50 -> RE: Twue Punishment (8/4/2007 7:38:12 PM)
LOL, Level, you are a hoot!

kiyari -> RE: Twue Punishment (8/4/2007 7:43:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsBearlee quote: ORIGINAL: Level Good morning, Michael. I do agree that the death penalty deters some, and I certainly understand those that support it, but I hate the idea of killing to punish. Put the bastards on a chain-gang, no TV, no cigs, no lifting weights, work their ass off, 6 days a week. And do away with early release for a lot of these people. Yeahhhhhhhhhh, what he said! Like I said, jail for some is a freakin' holiday; why on earth are they watching TV and surfin' the net when they could be out repairing bridges? I agree whole heartedly...work the bastards! AND...I believe they should be educated. Okay...maybe I'm a softie here, but I think education would help a lot of criminals move toward rehabilitation. I'm not talking college degree, necessarily; but at least high-school level and most certainly a trade. As it is now, what they learn now is just to be better criminals! B In my (thankfully) limited experience, there ARE those among us, who have no conscience ... who genuinely can not recognize their wrong-doing (or who genuinely Do Not Care) Such persons are quite beyond 'rehabilitation'.

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