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Zanarkand -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 4:44:27 AM)
obviously we are talking about Europe, because in the Pacific there is no doubt that the US won the war. In Europe, Normandy sped up Germany's downfall, but Hitler was much too confident, he tried to bite off more than he could swallow by invading Russia. He could not fight both Russia and the US. It was a shared victory.

seeksfemslave -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 5:02:13 AM)
LadyE: mostly agree with your post except the emphasis on the Battle of Britain which I think the Brits like to think about because it makes them feel good about themselves. Also, with regard to the efforts of the Russkies and possible enslavement if not annihilation by a foreign power, dont forget that they were enslaved by their own regime anyway and that nitwit Stalin executed quite a few in his time. Left leaning intellectuals and their attitudes to the 1930's USSR makes good reading lol The fathers and mothers of todays PC brigade lol Nevertheless the Russkies efforts in the War seem to have totally passed many Americans by! Lots of Brits too for that matter ! MsZ: Just to add: yes we are talking Europe because that was what the OP mentioned. We in Europe can consider ourselves very lucky that the US invested so much war effort here. Both blood and machinery. You might reasonably expect that Japan would have been your primary target.

angelikaJ -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 5:06:59 AM)
Ironic: today is the 62nd anniversary of the bombing of Nagisaki.

kittinSol -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 5:26:17 AM)
That's a bad anniversary indeed.

LadyEllen -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 5:27:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave LadyE: mostly agree with your post except the emphasis on the Battle of Britain which I think the Brits like to think about because it makes them feel good about themselves. The failure to choose a better strategy in the Battle Of Britain is more important than you think Seeks. Whilst Adolf didnt intend to invade us I believe, he did want us to agree to stop fighting so he could get on with the main aim - Russia, unhindered by us. That the Luftwaffe failed meant that we could stay in the war and later become the static aircraft carrier and jump off point into Europe for Commonwealth, exiled and US forces. Without such a facility, there would have been no further war in the west of any consequence. Its also important to note that a large proportion of the pilots who flew Hurricanes and the few Spitfires we had, were not British - our failure to keep up with defence spending and investment in the 1930s meant that we had few aircraft, and mostly Hurricanes at that - not much of a match for the Me109 and no match at all for even the earliest Fw190s, and just as important nowhere near enough trained pilots to man them against vastly superior numbers. Our survival depended on Canadians, South Africans, Australians, New Zealanders and of course those who had fled from Poland, Czechoslovakia and other occupied areas of Europe. So it wasnt the British that won the Battle all in all, but again, a combined effort. E

mnottertail -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 5:27:56 AM)
I am sure Nagasaki's anniversary will surpass it.

kittinSol -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 5:31:18 AM)
Well, misspelling on such a rememberance is secondary. Edited for misspelling

mnottertail -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 5:38:36 AM)
well, the reason I point it out, mirabile dictu, is that many, many people on this site do not know what that is, so I wanted something that might be more googleish. No offense intended to the memory of the dead or the one who posted the anniversary. I am glad I was reminded. Cordially, Ron

kittinSol -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 5:42:21 AM)
Ron, I see your point in its entirety now. Most grateful you made it. I think of the dead too. Peace.

LadyEllen -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 5:43:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail well, the reason I point it out, mirabile dictu, is that many, many people on this site do not know what that is, so I wanted something that might be more googleish. No offense intended to the memory of the dead or the one who posted the anniversary. I am glad I was reminded. Cordially, Ron True enough Ron. The liberation of Auschwitz was marked here a couple of years back, and a survey was conducted amongst 18-30s about it. Some huge proportion (dont recall the number but it was large) had no idea what Auschwitz was even. Amazing - especially when WWII is taught in schools these days. There is that saying about forgetting history inducing a repetition; taking the above and the "war on terror" and accompanying laws, I wonder if we might be in for a re-run? E

mnottertail -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 5:47:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Ron, I see your point in its entirety now. Most grateful you made it. I think of the dead too. Peace. well, yanno, I tend to be seen as mordant out here, and for good reason. The truth of the matter is, I just ain't into typing long explications. Ron

kittinSol -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 5:47:43 AM)
Ad perpetuam rei memoriam.

mnottertail -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 5:48:43 AM)
Yeah, talk about your shock and awe, that is why there are so many talking heads out here that need to look at their cant, and recant. How can some be so unaware? Ron

angelikaJ -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 5:51:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail well, the reason I point it out, mirabile dictu, is that many, many people on this site do not know what that is, so I wanted something that might be more googleish. No offense intended to the memory of the dead or the one who posted the anniversary. I am glad I was reminded. Cordially, Ron Thanks... Evidently, my brain was not fully awake then... I appreciate the edit very much. aJ

aSlavesLife -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 5:56:17 AM)
People, people, why are we fighting over this? The answer to the question is obvious. Poland won WWII. The Germans were defeated, but Stalinist Russia was just as bad. A handful of Jews were saved, but the majority of Jewish survivors had already managed to flee. England and France were free, but they were free before they declared war on Germany, so they won nothing. America certainly brought down Japan, but that was not really their objective to begin with. There has never been any evidence to make us think that Germany ever intended to invade America, so our freedom was never at stake. But now as our civil liberties are falling by the wayside, America is far less free than it was before the war. So my conclusion is, the only winner in WWII was Poland, as they won their freedom as a result of the actions of Allied forces. Owner of slave L

aSlavesLife -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 6:01:26 AM)
Oh, I guess that we can't really say that Poland won either, since they did lose some 20 odd percent of their population during the war, and were promptly gobbled up by the Soviet Union, so it looks like nobody won WW II. Damn, history doth suckuth. Owner of slave L

Politesub53 -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 6:05:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Well, mispelling on such a rememberance is secondary. Pssst KittinSol.... It`s misspelling [:D]

kittinSol -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 6:09:12 AM)
Thanks megablush.

Politesub53 -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 6:30:23 AM)
LadyEllen.... Another mistake was waiting outside Dunkirk and allowing some 300,000 troops to be evacuated to fight another day.

Politesub53 -> RE: WWII and Who Won It (8/9/2007 6:32:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Thanks megablush. Your most welcome.... We all make mistakes, me more often than most. [;)]

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