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RE: show of ownership - 8/10/2007 8:19:46 AM   
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Here's where i start to think... maybe i'm not being entirely fair to Him... not intentionally, of course. i probably could have (and should have) added more details... such as the fact that i've expressed my fear of commitment to Him... could be a perfectly reasonable reason why He would present me with a training collar to start - so as not to cause me to run screaming into the night... i'm sure there's more that'll come to me - but this was screaming at me and i had to put it out there.

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RE: show of ownership - 8/10/2007 8:20:56 AM   
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I really would advise you go back and communicate exactly - anything that isn;t set out, you can only sit back and accept in reality.  There aren't any rules - only the ones you sort out at the beginning of your relationship and modify as time progress'.  Don't submit to shit that makes you uncomfortable just because you think its how it is done.  Communicate the problems and come to a decision whether you can then submit to him in those ways.  Once it's done, you can't expect anything he doesn't decide.
 
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RE: show of ownership - 8/10/2007 8:21:47 AM   
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It can be more difficult when you don't feel you can trust yourself.

But that should tell you that you need to take things even SLOWER and use even MORE time to make decisions like this.  Not that you need to ignore issues when they arise.

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RE: show of ownership - 8/10/2007 8:32:56 AM   
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I really would advise you go back and communicate exactly - anything that isn;t set out, you can only sit back and accept in reality.  There aren't any rules - only the ones you sort out at the beginning of your relationship and modify as time progress'.  Don't submit to shit that makes you uncomfortable just because you think its how it is done.  Communicate the problems and come to a decision whether you can then submit to him in those ways.  Once it's done, you can't expect anything he doesn't decide.
 
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God i suck and i hate when i find out i'm the one at fault... cuz, it boils down to my being mostly at fault. Being insecure can sure fuck up one's judgement. See, between O/our schedules, O/our time together face to face is so limited that i don't push the communication thing. And i really don't want to try to sort this kind of thing out online - i'm not sure we could. Anyway, i know He must take some responsibility - but if it's me with the problem, i need to push the envelope until it's worked out. Which is what W/we're doing as i type this... So - thanks to E/everyone who put forth effort to offer me advice on this...

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RE: show of ownership - 8/10/2007 8:34:42 AM   
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Well don't get worked up over not being perfect- trust me in the grand scheme of things, so far this isn't so bad.

You both made the choice to get into this- he's as much responsible for not making things clear as you are and you both work together to make it strong. 

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RE: show of ownership - 8/10/2007 8:36:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Well don't get worked up over not being perfect- trust me in the grand scheme of things, so far this isn't so bad.

You both made the choice to get into this- he's as much responsible for not making things clear as you are and you both work together to make it strong. 


Yes, but if i don't take responsibility, i can't be the saint when it all works out, can i? Damn, that's another whole thread - the whole enabler thing... lol

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RE: show of ownership - 8/10/2007 8:38:00 AM   
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I totally agree with LA.  Don't take it all on you and it's not about blame.  Your being responsible enough to work through this and the whole scenario doesn't look doomed to me - just find time to communicate.  I don;t know the time frame you are in here... it could be weeks or months... but really just try slowing down and don;t get caught up in the excitement and frenzy and I really hope you both manage to sort this out.
 
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RE: show of ownership - 8/10/2007 8:38:28 AM   
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Ok... so, if He's still looking for others, i have the right to know that, correct? So i can decide if i'm willing to be in that situation... it all makes better sense from someone else's view. i look at the responses and smack myself upside the head for going about this with one eye closed.


Thank God he didn't come in both of your eyes...You would really be screwed!

Anywhoo, I was just discussing this very topic ....About the "rush."  The rush can be the sexual charge or the anticipation that one feels about meeting...But in reality, it is the fact that we have sent a few messages maybe had a conversation or two and now we have cleared a few hurdles and have reached a certain point of comfortability with the other person.....Then when we meet it is all  GO!....GO!....GO!....All of the lights are green...There is no slowing down at this point, and after all you want to be a good subby and who are you to argue or speak up?

I read your profile and it states that you are "straight."  It is a mild inconvenience that will go by the wayside soon enough...It really only means that you haven't yet been forced to dine at the "Y."  All in good time, love, all in good time.

It was probably all mutual up till now? Maybe...Maybe not....Just don't be dumb...Clean the cum out of your other eye and proceed with the same caution you utilized in all of your prior relationships...Or maybe take the lessons learned and try to apply those to your current situation.  If you think this is too daunting of a task...When your current relationship fails, there is a guy in Chicago that would love to make your acquaintance.

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RE: show of ownership - 8/10/2007 8:44:03 AM   
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You are such a tease!!

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RE: show of ownership - 8/10/2007 8:46:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

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ORIGINAL: apiercedkitty


Ok... so, if He's still looking for others, i have the right to know that, correct? So i can decide if i'm willing to be in that situation... it all makes better sense from someone else's view. i look at the responses and smack myself upside the head for going about this with one eye closed.


Thank God he didn't come in both of your eyes...You would really be screwed!

Anywhoo, I was just discussing this very topic ....About the "rush."  The rush can be the sexual charge or the anticipation that one feels about meeting...But in reality, it is the fact that we have sent a few messages maybe had a conversation or two and now we have cleared a few hurdles and have reached a certain point of comfortability with the other person.....Then when we meet it is all  GO!....GO!....GO!....All of the lights are green...There is no slowing down at this point, and after all you want to be a good subby and who are you to argue or speak up?

I read your profile and it states that you are "straight."  It is a mild inconvenience that will go by the wayside soon enough...It really only means that you haven't yet been forced to dine at the "Y."  All in good time, love, all in good time.

It was probably all mutual up till now? Maybe...Maybe not....Just don't be dumb...Clean the cum out of your other eye and proceed with the same caution you utilized in all of your prior relationships...Or maybe take the lessons learned and try to apply those to your current situation.  If you think this is too daunting of a task...When your current relationship fails, there is a guy in Chicago that would love to make your acquaintance.


You, Sweetheart, are a riot. Thank You for Your insight and the chuckles Your posts give me. You're right - cum in both eyes sucks balls - that shit BURNS like hell!
Your insight is almost spooky - i am a pleaser by nature (not really surprising that i find myself able to accept the "slave" title then, is it?). So yeah, i find it hard to speak up at times. Other times i need a ball gag to shut me up - but that's another story... *wicked grin* But i will take all the advice i've gotten on here - some that i liked, some that i didn't, but all pretty valid in the scope of things - and the lessons i've learned in the past (and the ones i'm sure i'll learn in the future) and try to work this out to the advantage of B/both of us.
The only thing i take exception to is Your statement about "when" my relationship fails - You know it's not nice to doom me, right? lol

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RE: show of ownership - 8/10/2007 8:48:09 AM   
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See, between O/our schedules, O/our time together face to face is so limited that i don't push the communication thing.

Now, I'll admit I havent read the entire thread, but this line jumped out at me and screamed *ISSUE*
And, having been there and done that and almost lost the best thing in my life, I have to step up and toss in my 2 cents.
Even if it does mean that you lose a precious meeting time, you have to sit down and seriously discuss everything you are getting into, face to face. Without the "communication thing" what you two have together will never stand a chance to grow into more. The trust, the interest in commitment and the comfort come from communication as well as time playing together.  There is no fault in this, neither of you is wrong for not having done it before. However, you really should push to do so now.
Angel and I spent all our face to face time playing before I moved, since in the 6 months I had him before he was local, we spent only 10 days physically together. He and I both wanted to get the most out of those short times, and since we knew I was going to be moving, we didnt concern ourselves with the "communication thing" while I visited. When I did finally move, thats when we had problems.  All the online and phone conversations in the world had not helped us iron out the small realtime problems. Our first day together after my move and we nearly ended things. Playtime is great, and we enjoyed every second of it, but there were so many issues that came up relating to the REST of our time together, from how we interacted out in the vanilla public to what was expected of him to how he managed to fit me into his schedule, that it nearly fell apart. It is all very important to discuss, make sure every little thing is brought up at some point. Playtime is addictive, enjoyable and can cause tunnelvision. However, if you want to move towards a more fulll relationship then the communication has to be there.

My 2 cents, feel free to ignore it if its useless.

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RE: show of ownership - 8/10/2007 8:54:00 AM   
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I am the proud owner of apiercedkitty.  Her collar is no longer a training collar, it started out that way because I wanted to avoid giving her a heart attach.  She has now willing accepted my ownership and this makes me very happy.  I will cherish her and protect her.  It is my fault that everything was not clear to her and I will work to rectify this, so she knows how much I care for her.  I have updated my profile, as I planned on doing, I just presented her with the opportunity to suggest what I should write.  I am trying to take things slowly as to not scare her off, but things can get rather intense since we are so attracted to eachother.  I am just happy gazing into her eyes and kissing her beautiful lips.  The rest we will work out over time.

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RE: show of ownership - 8/10/2007 8:54:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

quote:

ORIGINAL: apiercedkitty
See, between O/our schedules, O/our time together face to face is so limited that i don't push the communication thing.

Now, I'll admit I havent read the entire thread, but this line jumped out at me and screamed *ISSUE*
And, having been there and done that and almost lost the best thing in my life, I have to step up and toss in my 2 cents.
Even if it does mean that you lose a precious meeting time, you have to sit down and seriously discuss everything you are getting into, face to face. Without the "communication thing" what you two have together will never stand a chance to grow into more. The trust, the interest in commitment and the comfort come from communication as well as time playing together.  There is no fault in this, neither of you is wrong for not having done it before. However, you really should push to do so now.
Angel and I spent all our face to face time playing before I moved, since in the 6 months I had him before he was local, we spent only 10 days physically together. He and I both wanted to get the most out of those short times, and since we knew I was going to be moving, we didnt concern ourselves with the "communication thing" while I visited. When I did finally move, thats when we had problems.  All the online and phone conversations in the world had not helped us iron out the small realtime problems. Our first day together after my move and we nearly ended things. Playtime is great, and we enjoyed every second of it, but there were so many issues that came up relating to the REST of our time together, from how we interacted out in the vanilla public to what was expected of him to how he managed to fit me into his schedule, that it nearly fell apart. It is all very important to discuss, make sure every little thing is brought up at some point. Playtime is addictive, enjoyable and can cause tunnelvision. However, if you want to move towards a more fulll relationship then the communication has to be there.

My 2 cents, feel free to ignore it if its useless.

DV




Ahhh... there i go again - leaving out vital details... almost none of O/our time together has been playing. i find an hour or so to sometimes be prohibitive in regards to having long, serious discussions. That's what i meant by time being limited together. i sometimes forget others can't hear what goes on in my head - sorry for leaving that important info out.
But i agree - and have always known and tried to live by the fact that communication is the most important thing in a relationship. i guess the attention i get from Him tends to cloud my thought processes - a problem i will rectify immediately!

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RE: show of ownership - 8/10/2007 9:07:50 AM   
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Ok, being relatively new to the lifestyle and completely new to being collared, i have a question. i'm hoping the more experienced can give me their opinions.
i've been seeing a Dom for a while and He presented me with a "training" collar earlier in the week. i accepted. He made it known that i should state on my profile that i am now owned. (i've already read the thread on the different titles and that's a whole other thing for me - i never considered myself a "slave" before but have decided it's not the title i have to be able to accept - it's the expectations).


Did you ask him what the training collar means?  Did you ask him why and how he has jumped from training collar to ownership?  Do you know what ownership means to him?  Have you observed in depth how he treats other things he's owned?

And most of all if you don't think you are a slave, why in the world have you allowed yourself to trip into being owned (when it sounds like all you consented to was training)??

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ORIGINAL: apiercedkitty
Made sense to me so i did. Then, i got to thinking (yeah i know - that in itself can get me in trouble), shouldn't He also put a disclaimer in His profile?


No. 

Again this is why you take time (years, not weeks or months), thought, etc before slapping around words like owned and slave.  I don't think that a dominant has to get pissed on and claimed by a submissive, or reflect them in their profiles unless they want to (of course it would be especially nice if they want to do so, but I don't think they should or have to).  I think thats especially true in an ownership situation.

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RE: show of ownership - 8/10/2007 9:10:30 AM   
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Well now that it's claimed you're actually owned and all that, I really am not sure what else advice wise can be done. 

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RE: show of ownership - 8/10/2007 9:13:11 AM   
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Well now that it's claimed you're actually owned and all that, I really am not sure what else advice wise can be done. 


There's nothing to be said except..... where's the betting pool?

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RE: show of ownership - 8/10/2007 9:15:32 AM   
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I agree with those that state it depends on your relationship.

I personally do not list such but expect any of my property to do so... I've happily acquired a new slave and they've added my ownership into their journal here, I have not noted it in my own.

The reason is that for my relationships having them state such *is* a show of ownership:  those who agree to my ownership are not to accept dominance from others, but I may own others.  Listing it in their journal or profile here is meant to be an upfront statement that they are no longer searching (whereas, I may or may not be).

So, you may need to just talk to your owner about what the statement means to them... they may consider it a tag of ownership and therefore not apply to them or they may see it as a celebratory comment or it may not have crossed their mind to bother or anything.

It's individual to your relationship.

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RE: show of ownership - 8/10/2007 9:17:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs

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Well now that it's claimed you're actually owned and all that, I really am not sure what else advice wise can be done. 



There's nothing to be said except..... where's the betting pool?

C~



Everything's a gamble in life, is it not? But feel free to place bets if it amuses you.

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RE: show of ownership - 8/10/2007 9:20:21 AM   
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Well that's ...That!  Thank God it all ended perfectly well for all involved....She has been claimed!  Damn if only I would have acted sooner...Perhaps somewhere around post #48-49....She would've been mine!


Odds:

1 to 2 weeks-----Even money.

2 weeks to 1 month------3/2

1 month to 2 months----- 2 to 1

2 months and beyond....No sense in wagering the house always wins.

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RE: show of ownership - 8/10/2007 9:21:39 AM   
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I just do not understand the mental mind trip of training colllars over the years from the billions and billions of peeps in the lifestyle have different feelings on it. I would say do what makes you feel right.. To me a Training collar just means i want to date you and get to know you.. as far as him taking on more subs slave cars bikes birds and ark i just do not understand the heirm thing in doms dommes.. always think taht is more of a power trip or something.. as i have always stated if you can not tame one mind on all levels what makes you think you can cater to the masses of many.. but back to the thread.. it is all how you feel about him and you... and the five year plan yep

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