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Level -> Land grab in the Artic (8/10/2007 6:38:43 PM)
Canada uses military might in Arctic scramble · Building programme is response to Russian move · UN to decide on seabed claims to huge oil deposits Ewen MacAskill in Washington Saturday August 11, 2007 The Guardian An international scramble for the Arctic's oil and gas resources accelerated yesterday when Canada responded to Russia's recent sovereignty claims with a plan to build two military bases in the region. On a trip to the far north, the prime minister, Stephen Harper, said: "Canada's new government understands that the first principle of Arctic sovereignty is: use it or lose it. Today's announcements tell the world that Canada has a real, growing, long-term presence in the Arctic." http://www.guardian.co.uk/oil/story/0,,2146728,00.html

camille65 -> RE: Land grab in the Artic (8/10/2007 6:41:19 PM)
Yeah I've been reading about this for a few months :( . I wonder whats gonna happen?

popeye1250 -> RE: Land grab in the Artic (8/10/2007 6:44:52 PM)
Oh Boy! That'll be a good duty station eh? Russia already has more oil than the whole Middle East, why are they doing this?

kiyari -> RE: Land grab in the Artic (8/10/2007 6:45:29 PM)
My conspiracy antennae are vibrating here... What do these 'Powers that Be' know about arctic real estate LOL But... really... something verrry curious afoot, here

mnottertail -> RE: Land grab in the Artic (8/10/2007 6:48:21 PM)
maybe trying to hedge against the sub-prime bust, because I gotta tell ya, there is alotta ways to go on lakeshore there. Adm. Byrd

luckydog1 -> RE: Land grab in the Artic (8/10/2007 7:30:36 PM)
Canada has been gearing up for this for quite some time now. With the warming planet they estimate in about 20 years there will be a functioning North West passage, and huge amounts of shipping is going to start passing through. Canada wants (and they seem to have a reasonable claim) to regulate the traffic, for a variety of reasons. I don't think they are actually reacting to the recent Russian grab of minerals and oil.

Griswold -> RE: Land grab in the Artic (8/10/2007 9:19:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level Canada uses military might in Arctic scramble · Building programme is response to Russian move · UN to decide on seabed claims to huge oil deposits Ewen MacAskill in Washington Saturday August 11, 2007 The Guardian An international scramble for the Arctic's oil and gas resources accelerated yesterday when Canada responded to Russia's recent sovereignty claims with a plan to build two military bases in the region. On a trip to the far north, the prime minister, Stephen Harper, said: "Canada's new government understands that the first principle of Arctic sovereignty is: use it or lose it. Today's announcements tell the world that Canada has a real, growing, long-term presence in the Arctic." http://www.guardian.co.uk/oil/story/0,,2146728,00.html (Okay....I wasn't going to say this...but...with all this shit about the Russians, and now the Canadians doing all this shit.....last week I flew up to the Yukon....I had this little "sub" flag....I wasn't planning on telling anybody....I was just doing this for the brothers.....but the simple facts are....I got there about 6 weeks before the Russians....I set a flag on the whole Arctic thing {no funny comments please....I was wearing insulated shorts}....and well....the whole fucking Arctic belongs to us subs....that's the way it is....you got a problem with it...call my rep at the UN...it's done...it's over....right then....I'm outa here).

kiyari -> RE: Land grab in the Artic (8/10/2007 9:43:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail maybe trying to hedge against the sub-prime bust, because I gotta tell ya, there is alotta ways to go on lakeshore there. Adm. Byrd Mon Capitan... I doubt that the meltdown you refer to is related... tho melting in other context may be spot on Do not discount SunSpots... sun acne... primordial black holes... whatever

mnottertail -> RE: Land grab in the Artic (8/10/2007 9:48:03 PM)
I see where you are headed....we should form a conspiracy commission, because in world court when the oil leases are parted out for usufruct by the UN, by god, history will be made that day!!!!!!!!!!!! And we will be part of it.

kiyari -> RE: Land grab in the Artic (8/10/2007 10:09:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I see where you are headed....we should form a conspiracy commission, because in world court when the oil leases are parted out for usufruct by the UN, by god, history will be made that day!!!!!!!!!!!! And we will be part of it. Shall we aspire to being a part of 'history'? That nonsense is writ, rewrit and seriously massaged by .. well, by those not in my peer group... I seriously doubt our chances, there

mnottertail -> RE: Land grab in the Artic (8/10/2007 10:15:11 PM)
I think based on past performance it belongs to the Portugese by default, and Ja, I don't think we should deign snatching icecaps on the earth when we did the movies about mars. It is just so--------------- fuckin' unseemly...know what I mean?

kiyari -> RE: Land grab in the Artic (8/10/2007 10:24:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I think based on past performance it belongs to the Portugese by default, and Ja, I don't think we should deign snatching icecaps on the earth when we did the movies about mars. It is just so--------------- fuckin' unseemly...know what I mean? As I recall, was some Pope or 'nother who, divvied up the world and gave some to Spain and the rest to Portugal... where is Portugal neways ... is why Brasilians speak some mangled not-spanish... coz all the souls were already accounted for... but really, who was the Original LandLord, n how did They get Original Title, I should like to have explained (small words, please!) I still keep a wary eye on our Home Star... not as if I could do much about a 'kill shot' Now, a decent EMP on the other hand... [:)]

mnottertail -> RE: Land grab in the Artic (8/10/2007 10:32:27 PM)
I can only heartily laugh. These are the wisps that foreign entanglements bring to pass. We are fighting terror. That is our job and we are told we are good at it, by those who really give a fuck. me (just for you, kid) LOLOLOLOL

Lordandmaster -> RE: Land grab in the Artic (8/11/2007 12:23:33 AM)
Wait a second, I thought global warming was a hoax. quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Canada has been gearing up for this for quite some time now. With the warming planet they estimate in about 20 years there will be a functioning North West passage, and huge amounts of shipping is going to start passing through.

seeksfemslave -> RE: Land grab in the Artic (8/11/2007 1:57:06 AM)
Even tho' the land grab of the Golden West in the USA was undoubtedly "right" I'll bet this one isn't. he he he he he Dont do as I did whatever you do.

luckydog1 -> RE: Land grab in the Artic (8/11/2007 2:18:14 AM)
Sorry you are confused LAM. That the planet warms and cools, and has been in a long term warming, with a few dips since the trough of the last Ice Age, is not disputed by anyone, except a few "Flat Earth" types. The Geologic record sugests it will get quite a bit hotter before it cools off again. There is debate over whether there is Man caused Catastrophic Global warming, and if it is man caused what to do about it.....which is a different thread and has been beaten to death.

Stephann -> RE: Land grab in the Artic (8/11/2007 3:42:44 AM)
The question isn't if this is right or wrong on Russia's part; clearly, for the Russians, it's a wise decision. The question is really 'what are we prepared to risk, to prevent it.' I'd say with our recent Iraq debacle, the clear answer will be "not a damn thing." The rightness or wrongness only has spin value. Niccolo

came4U -> RE: Land grab in the Artic (8/11/2007 3:45:31 AM)
DON'T WE (CANADA) OWN ENOUGH ICE??? Enough ice already. I want sand

BlueCollar -> RE: Land grab in the Artic (8/11/2007 5:48:30 AM)
Prime Minister Harper made Arctic sovereingty a national issue during the last election campaign and this recent move is really just a fulfilment of a political promise nade years ago. The reality is that the Arctic will soon be a hotbed of human activity. Recent geological surverys have revealed new diamond deposits and oil fields on a scale never before imagined. As it turns out, there is a treasure-trove of resources waiting to be extracted under the ice and seabed. Canada has always maintained it's territorial rights in the North, but only recently has it been visibly threatened by Russia, the United States, and a few other European nations. A stepped-up military presence will help keep our boundaries defined, but will also service future settlement.

Level -> RE: Land grab in the Artic (8/11/2007 5:55:51 AM)
A new "cold" war?........

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