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RE: Altered states. - 8/12/2007 8:39:52 AM

SirDominic

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Pretty much agree with the general trend of the responses. I don't drink or do drugs, which is just my personal choice. But even if I did, I would not play under the influence of either, or if my slave had done so. Both need to be grounded enough to know what is happening, otherwise the possibility of going too far is all too easy.

A little bit of wine is not necessarily a bad thing. It does have a dulling effect, but for some people it also has a lessening of inhibitions effect.

dawntreader, any Dom who is so in his head space that he is no longer paying attention to what is going on is a Dom who does not have the self control required to be beating on anybody. The first rule of Domination is Be In Control of Yourself At All Times. I would be wary of anyone who does not have that discipline.

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RE: Altered states. - 8/12/2007 8:44:06 AM

SimplyMichael

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Lets see, endorphins closely resemble, or should I say Morphine closely resembles and mimics the effects of endorphins...

I have had sex while drunk and or stoned, shocking I know! Oh the horror of it. Playing drunk or stoned wouldn't bother me but it probably wouldn't be that great a play and I wouldn't do anything that required real attention but I have yet to kill anyone pinching their nipples, calling them slut and spanking their ass. Frankly doing it too far gone is pretty pointless which is the reason I am not interested in doing it.

I have played and or been to parties where beer and wine is served. As long as you are just imbibing lightly, a mild buzz can enhance feelings and emotions. I wouldn't host a public party and allow or do that but amongst people I know and trust, wouldn't bother me for a second.

I just ain't one for getting all preachy and sanctimonious.

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RE: Altered states. - 8/12/2007 8:56:51 AM

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I have always found the enjoyment of play to come from revelling in the physical sensations....why dull the senses with drugs?

To Me...it is a waste.

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RE: Altered states. - 8/12/2007 8:58:19 AM

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I have played after my submissive and I have endulged in spirits, and it
has not been a factor.

I only play when I am in a serious relationship.
I think it would be very different if I did not know the person well and I did not
totally trust them.

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RE: Altered states. - 8/12/2007 9:02:44 AM

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I drink socially, drugs are prescribed necessity for me rather than recreation, but to each his own.

I won't be doing rope suspension, but I have no problem with low-risk, hands and teeth kinds of play and screwing. I know for a fact that anything which requires judging distance (caning, flogging) is going to be out as I'm a lightweight.

For those casually playing, like with people whose names you don't know... preach all we like, but people DO. When I was pro I would ask "been partying?" rather than intimating that I'll pitch you out if you have, because they'll just LIE. I want to know what substances I might be up against and make a decision based on what I feel I can do.

I gave a workshop to an audience of predominantly gay leathermen at one point and this came up, and that was my suggestion as to how to determine whether someone was in an altered state or not without appearing freaked out judgemental or "uptight" and everyone thought this suave little stance was pretty cool. Just offhandedly "you been partying?" Not like a cop pulling someone over, but as though you've done your share too.

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RE: Altered states. - 8/12/2007 9:06:05 AM

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I do not drink nor do illegal drugs, so that's an easy one. As far as someone I am playing with, Illegal drugs are a no no for me. I do not allow them in my household, and prefer those in my company not be under the influence. I agree drinking on their part may be fine in very light moderation, and certainly depends on the person, the type and level of activity that we are engaging in.

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RE: Altered states. - 8/12/2007 9:11:30 AM

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I do not have a very high tolerance for alcohol, so I don't feel the need to indulge before or as a part of play. I have never done drugs and don't smoke at all, so I don't feel the need for that either. I've never been with anyone who imbibed in any of it before play, either. I would prefer it that way, however, neither am I going to refuse to play because my partner had a glass of wine with dinner.

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RE: Altered states. - 8/12/2007 9:21:56 AM

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I think the bdsm community myth that you can't have sniffed an open bottle for at least 6 hours before playing is pretty silly. Yea, no one should practice SM while drunk or high, but many of us don't drink to excess, don't get out of control high and can have a glass of wine, beer or a drink and still handle our flogger or even singletail safely and with competence.

Bill

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RE: Altered states. - 8/12/2007 9:24:19 AM

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I'm a good girl. I don't smoke. I don't drink {last time I had ANY alcohol was after jury duty last year}. I don't do drugs, never have, never will.

MJ enjoys a few glasses of wine or a drink, not a problem before we play {we usually play after dinner before going to bed}. Thats fine. I trust him, he knows when to say when. He may have a glass of wine or two, but the rest of the evening, he is drinking water. If I will get in the car with him while He drives, then I will play with Him. I have considered having a drink when we go out to dinner, I'm just not 'there' yet. Its a personal choice. I am a light weight an I get really really giggly, when any alcohol is in my system, so I don't know how copasetic I would be to following orders or to playing, unless MJ wanted a VERY playfull slave.

Will I ever have a drink then play, I don't know; perhaps. Its a major trust factor for me. MJ an I don't have a 'policy' on drinking and playing, its common sence for the most part. A glass of wine at dinner, then water the rest of the evening, most of the alcohol should be out of the system.

I never understood the appeal of drinking, thats me though. Plenty of nights I have gone out with friends and been the DND and got compted 'drinks' {sodas and juice and water}; nbd.

I didn't have a drink with the man I was engaged too {vanilla guy} until we had been together for 3 or 4 months, even then, after dinner, I curled up in bed and went to sleep, no sex.

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RE: Altered states. - 8/12/2007 9:34:19 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: submittous

I think the bdsm community myth that you can't have sniffed an open bottle for at least 6 hours before playing is pretty silly. Yea, no one should practice SM while drunk or high, but many of us don't drink to excess, don't get out of control high and can have a glass of wine, beer or a drink and still handle our flogger or even singletail safely and with competence.

Bill

It's not a myth, but good advice to give.

I look at it this way: You'd never advise somebody actually drink and drive. The world won't come to an end if you pick up a beer before picking up that singletail, but that's a far cry from it being a completely good idea.

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RE: Altered states. - 8/12/2007 9:50:54 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SirDominic

dawntreader, any Dom who is so in his head space that he is no longer paying attention to what is going on is a Dom who does not have the self control required to be beating on anybody. The first rule of Domination is Be In Control of Yourself At All Times. I would be wary of anyone who does not have that discipline.

Namaste, Sir Dominic

Greetings SirDominic,
i agree and the relationship ended after that experience with an acknowledgement and an apology from him. He was the last sadist i played with and i learned that a sadistic Dom is most likely not a good match for me ~

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RE: Altered states. - 8/12/2007 10:00:19 AM

SeeksOnlyOne

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ORIGINAL: Aileen68

I've played with a few drinks and I've definitely played stoned. I love playing stoned...heightens all of the feelings and senses for me. It makes it extremely intense.

aint that the truth

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RE: Altered states. - 8/12/2007 11:29:50 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen68

I've played with a few drinks and I've definitely played stoned. I love playing stoned...heightens all of the feelings and senses for me. It makes it extremely intense.

aint that the truth

During scene it is very importnat for a dom domme or sub to be in comunication all the time.. being under the influence you can not read a persons vitals correctly or for a sub to know to safeword it only takes once

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RE: Altered states. - 8/12/2007 12:14:12 PM

SimplyMichael

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Latex,

While I in general find everything you say ludicrous, at least on those few times your inability to use the English language doesn't completely cloud whatever you think you are trying to say, this post has to be the one I find most ludicrous.

Being impaired or drunk does not equate to an inability to communicate. What about ball gags or mummification let alone hoods or the like. I am not advocating playing drunk but I don't advocate everyone should do BDSM either.

quote:

being under the influence you can not read a persons vitals correctly

Complete and utter bullshit. Being shitfaced drunk you can't do much correctly but "under the influence" covers a lot of ground.

quote:

or for a sub to know to safeword it only takes once

We beat submissives into subspace which isn't much different than shooting them full of morphine. Safewords aren't something everyone plays with and runs counter to your crap above about the Dom being the all powerful needing to be perfect crap.

I have no doubt that drunk off my ass on booze I am a better and safer dominant than people like %$#@&* who are druunk on power and bullshit.

< Message edited by SimplyMichael -- 8/12/2007 12:19:23 PM >

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RE: Altered states. - 8/12/2007 12:16:02 PM

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Michael,

Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you.

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RE: Altered states. - 8/12/2007 12:22:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Latex,

While I in general find everything you say ludicrous, at least on those few times your inability to use the English language doesn't completely cloud whatever you think you are trying to say, this post has to be the one I find most ludicrous.

Being impaired or drunk does not equate to an inability to communicate. What about ball gags or mummification let alone hoods or the like. I am not advocating playing drunk but I don't advocate everyone should do BDSM either.

quote:

being under the influence you can not read a persons vitals correctly

Complete and utter bullshit. Being shitfaced drunk you can't do much correctly but "under the influence" covers a lot of ground.

quote:

or for a sub to know to safeword it only takes once

We beat submissives into subspace which isn't much different than shooting them full of morphine. Safewords aren't something everyone plays with and runs counter to your crap above about the Dom being the all powerful needing to be perfect crap.

I have no doubt that drunk off my ass on booze I am a better and safer dominant than people like %$#@&* who are druunk on power and bullshit.

Kudos!

Even though I don't drink or do illegals and would prefer my partners sober as well.

Very well stated Michael.

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RE: Altered states. - 8/12/2007 12:23:20 PM

DiurnalVampire

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ORIGINAL: RVSearching
What about Y/you? Would you play under the influence? If not why wouldnt you and if so why would you?

Angel and I have played after a couple of drinks, but never enough for either of us to be impaired. I do not advocate drugs at all, I dont like them and I will not allow them.

What I do not allow is any sort of pain play when the pet I have is on aspirins or anything else like that. Pain killers, antiinflammatories and the other over the counter things we all seem to take for granted ca be as harmful as anything more intoxicating. If you dont know it hurts, you can do more damage than if you are feeling everything. We found this out the hard way when Kitten came over to play. He had taken a few aspirins for a headache. Nothing big, we all do it. However, he didnt think to mention it since its so commonplace. It did, however, cause much more bruising than he usualy has. It asnt until afterwards, while I was icing down some of the nastier looking ones on his back that he asked if I had any aspirin becasue his headache was coing back that I realized it. Now, I ask about that before we play.

DV

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RE: Altered states. - 8/12/2007 12:25:10 PM

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EarthyCouple,

I don't either and can't remember the last time I have had a drink and played but bullshit is bullshit. And trust me, there isn't any recent play that isn't very very vividly remembered!!

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RE: Altered states. - 8/12/2007 12:29:16 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Latex,

While I in general find everything you say ludicrous, at least on those few times your inability to use the English language doesn't completely cloud whatever you think you are trying to say, this post has to be the one I find most ludicrous.

Being impaired or drunk does not equate to an inability to communicate. What about ball gags or mummification let alone hoods or the like. I am not advocating playing drunk but I don't advocate everyone should do BDSM either.

quote:

being under the influence you can not read a persons vitals correctly

Complete and utter bullshit. Being shitfaced drunk you can't do much correctly but "under the influence" covers a lot of ground.

quote:

or for a sub to know to safeword it only takes once

We beat submissives into subspace which isn't much different than shooting them full of morphine. Safewords aren't something everyone plays with and runs counter to your crap above about the Dom being the all powerful needing to be perfect crap.

I have no doubt that drunk off my ass on booze I am a better and safer dominant than people like %$#@&* who are druunk on power and bullshit.

do you have a medical Degree of some sort or do you have some kinda of degree in chemestry and understand how the body works with chemicals..both natural and synthetics ...you assume to much with out backing it up with the facts.. i guess your never looked at DWI case studies huh...

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RE: Altered states. - 8/12/2007 12:31:11 PM

earthycouple

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Latex,

While I in general find everything you say ludicrous, at least on those few times your inability to use the English language doesn't completely cloud whatever you think you are trying to say, this post has to be the one I find most ludicrous.

Being impaired or drunk does not equate to an inability to communicate. What about ball gags or mummification let alone hoods or the like. I am not advocating playing drunk but I don't advocate everyone should do BDSM either.

quote:

being under the influence you can not read a persons vitals correctly

Complete and utter bullshit. Being shitfaced drunk you can't do much correctly but "under the influence" covers a lot of ground.

quote:

or for a sub to know to safeword it only takes once

We beat submissives into subspace which isn't much different than shooting them full of morphine. Safewords aren't something everyone plays with and runs counter to your crap above about the Dom being the all powerful needing to be perfect crap.

I have no doubt that drunk off my ass on booze I am a better and safer dominant than people like %$#@&* who are druunk on power and bullshit.

do you have a medical Degree of some sort or do you have some kinda of degree in chemestry and understand how the body works with chemicals..both natural and synthetics ...you assume to much with out backing it up with the facts.. i guess your never looked at DWI case studies huh...

What does that have to do with a drink or two vs. being stupid falling down drunk? What do YOU know about the human body? I'm a nurse.

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