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RE: My new Iraq Analogy - 8/15/2007 1:20:29 PM

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Those were the same voters Karl Rove convinced that gay people were out to ruin their marriages if they elected John Kerry. They will believe pratically anything as long as you sell it to them with fear.

Rove: "You live at the North Pole? Well, you still need one of these fancy fridges I'm selling, or your food will spoil."

Busheep: "Well, I don't know, you look like an honest guy, the kind I'd have a beer with. But, see, it rarely gets up above 40 here, even in the summer..."

Rove: "BACTERIA!!! Spoiled meat!! E. Coli, under your bed and crawling into your mouth at night!! SALMONELLA, in your kids' lunch boxes! TERRORIST tofu creeping into your dinners! Slimy, evil, moldy slithery things!! Danger! Danger!"

Busheep: "Oh dear Lord Bush, I repent! I have sinned in doubting your benevolent vigilance over my safety, and the continued predominance of my local Mega-church (tm)! It must have been an evil liberal evolutionist who led me astray. I'll take two of them! And thank you!!!!!"

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RE: My new Iraq Analogy - 8/15/2007 3:15:10 PM

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They convinced their morons that the oil companies needed billions in tax refunds, that the stock market was the place to put social security, that invading the wrong country was a good idea, that credit card companies needed more protection and that drilling in Anwar is a good idea.

I think these guys could convince people to become Solent Green voluntarily and their stupid morons would salute the flag and jump into the vat.

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RE: My new Iraq Analogy - 8/15/2007 6:44:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: Durus

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Actually, it more suggests that the Iraqi Leaders, Bush, Rove and the other Kool-Aide Drinkers think are the future of liberty and freedom in the Middle East are no more than gangland thugs who were effectively suppressed by Hussein.

If the people who are leaders now truly are that thuggish they would have worked for Hussien. That assumes they are from the correct sect. Any of Hussiens dangerous opponenet were put down hard.

Yeah, remember how Hussein was able to keep some measure of control?

They were better days. At least the US wasn't responsible for the million dead since they took over. It was someone else's problem.

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RE: My new Iraq Analogy - 8/15/2007 10:08:10 PM

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I've yet to see this analogy topped:

Invading Iraq in response to 9/11, is a little like if we had invaded Canada in response to Pearl Harbor.

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RE: My new Iraq Analogy - 8/15/2007 10:13:56 PM

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I've yet to see this analogy topped:

Invading Iraq in response to 9/11, is a little like if we had invaded Canada in response to Pearl Harbor.

Actually that analogy is kind of stupid. In response to 9/11 we invaded Afghanistan. The reason given to invade Iraq would be their alleged WMDs and alleged connections to terrorism, however the primary reason was always the WMDs.

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RE: My new Iraq Analogy - 8/15/2007 10:14:11 PM

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Yes! invade CANADA!

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RE: My new Iraq Analogy - 8/15/2007 10:17:01 PM

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The reason given (read: spin used) and the event that served as the catalyst, are mutually exclusive.

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RE: My new Iraq Analogy - 8/15/2007 10:39:30 PM

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I'm confused: We're fighting this war "about oil", yet so far, American refineries haven't seen Drop 1 of this magical, mystical oil reserve, and our gas-prices are HIGHER than they were 4 years ago, rather than LOWER!
Why not just take the soil with oil, maybe use illegal-alien expendables for their toil, wall it off as the rest of the dump comes to a boil? (Apologies for the doggerel, but it DID make a good sound-bite, and that's how you have to deliver news nowadays to stop people from falling asleep)
Translation to "normal" English: IF it's about oil, takeover the oil-rich areas, wall them off, let the rest of the Moslem death-cult wither and die without unlimited petro-dollars to fund their hateful destruction of civilization...Maybe use the newfound drills as a labor-camp for illegal aliens...FAR more permanent than sending them back where they came from (Since under the current "deportation" system, the very next day, they'll be right back in OUR lands!)
But you overlook a far greater conundrum: Are we really FIGHTING, or just using up ammo/fuel to drive prices up? If we really had been fighting, every Arab with a weapon would be "decorating" the floor and/or walls by now...ASSUMING America persisted in this waste-of-life ground warfare and didn't just purify the area with MASSIVE carpet-bombing! So is this all some sort of sick game? And if so, why is America PLAYING, rather than WINNING?

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RE: My new Iraq Analogy - 8/15/2007 10:46:39 PM

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That's not true, I just bought a gallon of 10w30 from WAL*MART yesterday.

Yer prolly just not looking in the right places.

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RE: My new Iraq Analogy - 8/16/2007 5:42:17 AM

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When I am elected president (still hoping to be electedand king), I am going to have my "operatives" start a rumor about Jihad-stock, on the Afganastan border. And when they are all high and swaying in the mosh pit, Im gonna drop a daisy cutter on their heads....vote boytoy4 President

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RE: My new Iraq Analogy - 8/16/2007 9:53:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
Yeah, remember how Hussein was able to keep some measure of control?

They were better days.

I'm not suggesting that America has the responsibility to depose any evil tyrannical ruler, but no sane person could suggest that Iraq was better off under the thumb of Hussien. We could get control of the country in the exact same way he did...but a lot of people, including myself, would have serious issues with that.

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RE: My new Iraq Analogy - 8/16/2007 2:11:45 PM

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Only idiots believe Bush invaded Iraq to get the oil for America. He did it so that his family and their partners, the Saudis could profit and gee, they have all done quite handsomely. Bankrupted America and trashed the military to do it, but what the fuck they aren't paying for it!

As for Iraq, I think it would be quite easy to make the case that Saddam was better for Iraq than America has been considering the estimates of dead rank right up there with Saddam and if you consider many of those were killed when Bush asked them to overthrow Saddam and they were dumb enough to think he meant either the Shia or the Kurds, then we have seriously killed more than Saddam. Not only that, the chaos we have sown in Iraq is going to fester for decades.

The Kurds are probably happier but wait till we betray them to the Turks as we always do. You should be careful trusting America and never ever trust anyone from the Bush family.

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RE: My new Iraq Analogy - 8/16/2007 4:12:29 PM

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As for Iraq, I think it would be quite easy to make the case that Saddam was better for Iraq than America has been considering the estimates of dead rank right up there with Saddam...

You can't honestly be suggesting that the ethics of the situation is as simple as killing=killing.

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RE: My new Iraq Analogy - 8/16/2007 4:22:41 PM

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As for Iraq, I think it would be quite easy to make the case that Saddam was better for Iraq than America has been considering the estimates of dead rank right up there with Saddam...

You can't honestly be suggesting that the ethics of the situation is as simple as killing=killing.

Well, actually, "First, Do no harm." is more accurate.

What's the difference TO THE PERSON MURDERED if they're killed by Hussein's Republican Guard, or the $local_warlord which the US brought to power?

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RE: My new Iraq Analogy - 8/16/2007 4:28:00 PM

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What would lead you to believe this? Almost all of the violence in Iraq seems to be Sunni vs Shia.....When these bombings occur we call it al qaeda.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSYAT71336220070815?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&pageNumber=1

Those where Yazidis being killed, not muslims, big difference.

Ya'll might rememebr the Yazidis as those oh so nice n fluffy people who where featured in that very public stoning of a 17 year old girl a couple months ago.

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RE: My new Iraq Analogy - 8/16/2007 5:02:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
Well, actually, "First, Do no harm." is more accurate.

What's the difference TO THE PERSON MURDERED if they're killed by Hussein's Republican Guard, or the $local_warlord which the US brought to power?

Are you positing an ethical principle upon which we should run our foriegn policy? Based on that principle we would never have fought a war...in fact there wouldn't be an America in the first place.

Are we discussing Iraquis killing Iraqis or Americans killing Iraqis?

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RE: My new Iraq Analogy - 8/16/2007 5:52:56 PM

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My research shows the avergae price of gas, adjusted for inflation, for all of 2006, to be $2.81. I just bought gas yesterday for $2.54. The data will be compiled I believe by in of fiscal first quarter 2008, to get the accurate avergae nationwide.

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RE: My new Iraq Analogy - 8/16/2007 6:08:09 PM

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Yes, their generosity is indeed staggering: $1/gallon up to $3/gallon in less than a decade, then lower it slightly to keep us from suspecting price-gouging?

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RE: My new Iraq Analogy - 8/16/2007 9:20:11 PM

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Yes, their generosity is indeed staggering: $1/gallon up to $3/gallon in less than a decade, then lower it slightly to keep us from suspecting price-gouging?

Well put!

I was going to say the same thing.Gas prices are artificially high.

Ok,conservatives,let`s hear the arguments as to why gas prices should be high.

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RE: My new Iraq Analogy - 8/16/2007 9:28:37 PM

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Let's hear the arguments about why we're burning petrochemicals for electricity in the first place.

The sun provides ALL the energy our planet could ever need, and we're too damn stupid to go and get it.

You know, it would have cost LESS than the money wasted in Iraq, and requires 1980's technology, so what's the hold up?

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