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Estring -> RE: Stop "Under Consideration" Speech Restrictions (8/17/2007 10:17:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: shyinini Someone speaks up about a very stupid practice and he is jumped. jeeeeez For the most part I totally agree. His piece of advice to newbies, both D and s types, is a welcome refreshing change in my POV from "under consideration" ~~ thinking its the norm in how a relationship should develope. WtFdoes it mean anyway...something different to everyone just like the word slave..... if a newbie s type is only out there for 2 months and a dom restricts her and puts her under consideration.... it cancels out completely LA's advice...WAIT 6 MONTHS BEFORE YOU MAKE A CHOICE ! Who the hell are you supposed to believe...LA, a dom saying you are now under consideration ~ the girl or guy not even knowing that this is a stupid practice and restrictions ONLY should come with some type of submission to control. Why are NEW thoughts and ideas so easily shot down as if the new poster or new idea is to be tossed out with the bath water. Who are you? A drone of the typical CM message board banter or someone who is willing to risk new thoughts.... challenge the stupidity of absurd practice.... be your own thinker... be willing to risk the flaming that ensues, the sarcasm, the cynism....the complete put down that the idea is at least valid......... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr CM regulars can be such &&^%^%#%())( about free thinking !! Sir's girl edited to add....pompass a$$$$ comes to mind Just because an idea is new, doesn't make it good. Censorship may be fine with you, but I prefer that people have the choice to make mistakes. So many in this bdsm world refuse to act like adults. I see no reason to be an enabler. "Under consideration" seems like a stupid concept to me as well, but to ban something just because I don't like it seems even more stupid.

becca333 -> RE: Stop "Under Consideration" Speech Restrictions (8/17/2007 10:23:56 PM)
We really do work hard at making things complicated, don't we.

junecleaver -> RE: Stop "Under Consideration" Speech Restrictions (8/17/2007 10:31:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: shyinini Someone speaks up about a very stupid practice and he is jumped. jeeeeez For the most part I totally agree. His piece of advice to newbies, both D and s types, is a welcome refreshing change in my POV from "under consideration" ~~ thinking its the norm in how a relationship should develope. WtFdoes it mean anyway...something different to everyone just like the word slave..... if a newbie s type is only out there for 2 months and a dom restricts her and puts her under consideration.... it cancels out completely LA's advice...WAIT 6 MONTHS BEFORE YOU MAKE A CHOICE ! Who the hell are you supposed to believe...LA, a dom saying you are now under consideration ~ the girl or guy not even knowing that this is a stupid practice and restrictions ONLY should come with some type of submission to control. Why are NEW thoughts and ideas so easily shot down as if the new poster or new idea is to be tossed out with the bath water. Who are you? A drone of the typical CM message board banter or someone who is willing to risk new thoughts.... challenge the stupidity of absurd practice.... be your own thinker... be willing to risk the flaming that ensues, the sarcasm, the cynism....the complete put down that the idea is at least valid......... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr CM regulars can be such &&^%^%#%())( about free thinking !! Sir's girl edited to add....pompass a$$$$ comes to mind What about this strikes you as a new thought? It's not the first time someone has tried to interfere in the activities of consenting adults because they disagree. Everyone one here should be an adult, making adult decisions, excercising adult judgment. So I don't see a need to police their profiles or ban together against them when they make a poor decision. IMO, this 'under consideration' thing isn't all that rampant or normal. It seems to be more of an internet thing. I can't imagine a potential partner taking you to a munch and forbiding you to talk to anyone. I'm sure it happens, but definitely not as often as on the internet.

shyinini -> RE: Stop "Under Consideration" Speech Restrictions (8/17/2007 10:37:25 PM)
I am gonna bet.... frustration made him write STOP but I assume. LOLOL!! Sir's girl

Hisbellaluna -> RE: Stop "Under Consideration" Speech Restrictions (8/17/2007 10:45:42 PM)
FR... i am going to try and reply to the OT without getting into a heated response about the rest of ya'lls replies... 1) you can't ban/stop the abuser's tacticts...you can only educate the potential victims... 2) even if you could...would you want that ability out there? who decides what is abuse and what is not? i'll agree on this point, isolating anyone while they are "under consideration" or "being trained" is an abusive tactic, also used by cult leaders...(i did a report on it in 9th grade...we determined our teachers were cult leaders) 3) if life didn't have any lions or tigers or bears or thunder storms or thorns or other "scary" things...how would we appreciate the roses and butterflies and whips and chains and knives...whoops, am i a little partial on the good things? in summation...let the idiots be idiots, they will show their true colors.... oh and on the whole under consideration...i am...and in training...it was explained fully to me before i agreed to it...what it means, i agree with wholly...thats all that matters... missing her Sir and sister greatly, specially night time cuddles...falling asleep in his lap...dammit, sleeping is hard away from them.... His bella luna

ownedgirlie -> RE: Stop "Under Consideration" Speech Restrictions (8/17/2007 10:50:07 PM)
"Under Consideration" worked well for me. As I've mentioned in various posts, I was pretty much a lost soul when he found me. He saw through my outer layers of turmoil and recognized the submission I wished to offer was something he was looking for, and chose to invest in the effort to help me rid myself of baggage. Part of doing that meant to restrict my communication with dominant men whom I did not already know and have friendships with. I had all sorts of people giving me all sorts of advice and I didn't know what was real and what was not. Yet somehow my Master was consistent in everything he said and I rarely had to ask for clarity because he was so clear in his explanations. Something about him touched me from the start, and while I was too uncertain to fully commit myself to him at first, I did wish to follow his direction, as something told me this was the real deal for me. He also didn't wish to commit to taking me as his slave until he learned me better. So he spent time teaching and observing and I grew closer to him in the process - the process we called "under consideration." I had no qualms with his restrictions. I could talk to current friends, doms and subs alike, but new prospects were eliminated to avoid confusion. Three years later I'd say it all worked out pretty well.

BitaTruble -> RE: Stop "Under Consideration" Speech Restrictions (8/17/2007 10:50:59 PM)
~FR~ So, what I'm reading from you, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that submissives, especially new submissives, are just too stupid to figure all this stuff out for themselves so have to be protected from their own adult choices. It's the Internet! It is not dangerous to cut off speech with other Internet strangers. What a load of crap. How on Earth one total stranger on the Internet is going to save some submissive from another total stranger on the Internet is completely beyond my comprehension. People make choices. One of those choices is to become involved in BDSM. One of the venues for that is the Internet. If someone has agreed to be 'under consideration', they are also considering whether or not to continue and have agreed to whatever restrictions are in place. It may be stupid, it may be brillant, it may be exactly what they are looking for but what it most certainly is not, is anyone else's business to deny the practice for anyone else. Gawds, but I abhore censorship for consenting adults in all it's ugly forms. Celeste

MissMagnolia -> RE: Stop "Under Consideration" Speech Restrictions (8/17/2007 11:06:51 PM)
I pretty much see it in the way most of the posters see it. Put simply, to each their own. I can't see any CM thought police working around here. We don't need any volunteers in here either.

Texy -> RE: Stop "Under Consideration" Speech Restrictions (8/17/2007 11:23:02 PM)
About two months ago I logged into collarme and this dominant appeared on the top of my screen I had never seen before. I read it and moved on and as I lowered my eyes to the bottom part of the page, her recent journal post caught my eye. There in bold black and white it read: (insert collarme nickname) is now under my jurisdiction. Well, I couldn't stop myself could I? I immediately messaged said sub and wrote: How far away from you do I have to stand since you are under (said domme's) jurisdiction? The said sub replied back without missing a beat: Move away from the screen, further, further, further, there ya go....that's how far. I laughed! What a great sense of humor! I found out from him that Her jurisdiction made perfect sense to him and he enjoyed it and embraced it. We still keep in touch. Who am I to tell him he is right or wrong? It is what it is. His deal, his life, his choice, not mine. Whewww, I'm glad I don't have to live everyone's life for them it leaves more time to enjoy my own life! Well the exception being of course if they post on message boards and then all is fair in post and re-post, yes? gayle

celticlord2112 -> RE: Stop "Under Consideration" Speech Restrictions (8/17/2007 11:29:57 PM)
The last time I checked everyone here was age 18 or older. Does the phrase "consenting adults" mean anything to you? I do not want this site or any other site to EVER become the morality police. If I want that I'll go back to vanilla, thank you very much.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Stop "Under Consideration" Speech Restrictions (8/17/2007 11:32:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: earthycouple did anyone notice his 27 years of life which definitely goes to show he's the end all be all and is the authority on what the original intentions of BDSM through the ages has been. I bow to your omniscience. Is that what that smell is?

chiaThePet -> RE: Stop "Under Consideration" Speech Restrictions (8/17/2007 11:38:21 PM)
A Dominant was considering, considering me for consideration, very considerate i thought, all things considered, when one considers the many considerate ones whom might consider considering me for consideration in a considerate way. How considerate it is to be considered for consideration i considered, in a considerately considerate consideration, all considerations considered. i shall consider being considered for consideration, considering consideration is so considerate, considering all things considered are taken into consideration, considering the ramifications of consideration. Consider it for just a moment. Get the picture? chia* (the pet)

becca333 -> RE: Stop "Under Consideration" Speech Restrictions (8/17/2007 11:43:22 PM)
A very considered opinion.

MissMagnolia -> RE: Stop "Under Consideration" Speech Restrictions (8/17/2007 11:46:29 PM)
I'll consider your considerations chia, unless I decide not to consider. In which case, sorry for the hijack[:D]. Consider me chastised.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Stop "Under Consideration" Speech Restrictions (8/17/2007 11:46:38 PM)
Ok, now...say that ten times fast!

chiaThePet -> RE: Stop "Under Consideration" Speech Restrictions (8/17/2007 11:50:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: becca333 A very considered opinion. Very considerate of you to notice becca! chia* (the pet)

chiaThePet -> RE: Stop "Under Consideration" Speech Restrictions (8/17/2007 11:55:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia I'll consider your considerations chia, unless I decide not to consider. In which case, sorry for the hijack[:D]. Consider me chastised. Consider it a considerate hijack, all things considered. chia* (the pet)

chiaThePet -> RE: Stop "Under Consideration" Speech Restrictions (8/18/2007 12:00:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 Ok, now...say that ten times fast! i shall considerate it.....Sir.....in a considerately considerate consideration of course chia* (the pet)

becca333 -> RE: Stop "Under Consideration" Speech Restrictions (8/18/2007 12:04:54 AM)
Now say, "Red leather, yellow leather" ten times quickly.

straykitten -> RE: Stop "Under Consideration" Speech Restrictions (8/18/2007 12:13:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Grlwithboy Personally, I don't want a submissive who's so overwhelmed as to be unable to decide for him/herself what smells like BDSMBS when learning their way, and needs me to filter the noise down for them. I had to do it myself, I expect big boys and girls to do the same. Crazy, I know. 1. Mental crush back. 2. Exactly. Subs are grownups too...we can make our own decisions. Any sort of rule that the OP is suggesting implies that subs are incapable of agency. We're not stupid, kthx. This is the same kind of logic that created laws where women couldn't go into establishments unaccompanied, lest a big bad scary man take advantage of us. Thank you for your concern, but if a sub appears disempowered or subjugated in some form...maybe there's a chance that they want it that way? Because a great many of us like people to, y'know, control us?

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