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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

There is certainly a horse in this thread and since the young man is a rabbit, that leaves only one horse here.  And since they already cut the head off and stuffed in that guy's bed that leaves the only other large portion of that horse...

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ORIGINAL: MasterLDesade

Lmfao .to much a 23 year old reckon's all B.D.S.M started at 1940 ffs you are a scream in your insulated small mind . And my comments were on safe words and there lack of use and Gorean's lack of use of them . Excuse me isn't this the " RE: No safe word for punishment; what about discipline? " collum to funny . No matter what you can lead a horse to water but not make it drink re history , closed insular minds like you need expanshion so i invite you to hit this link,
http://www.yellowpages.com.au/onlineSolution_moreInfo.do?z=100001&headingCode=47341&listingPosition=1&iblName=Mistress+Mercedes+Little+Shop+Of+Secrets&iblId=5222441&pageNumber=1&authToken=114c3aa4aac%7C751872bc9865bcdd976af04463d9ce5e&st=bn
This is my not real employer lmfao , oh and this isn't the " Yellow Pages " site link either of the biggest Telco in Australia  , oh i forgot you dont pay to be in a commercial telephone book listing one year in front , lmfao , fictisious person like me and the  "Australian Bussiness Number " provided by Law is obviously false to and you can quote me the number in your next instalment of how to cut and paste , just to see if you bothered to look , how rude of me , my slave Cheeky whom is on this site sitting beside me is pissing herself at why i even bothered to answer ,  also Mistress expects your call just 06 as a prefix for the International code then Mistress's number and watch your manner's , speak in the fashion you have to me and expect her to rip you a new B.D.S.M ass and i dont feel you have the Intestinal Fortitude to ring , just sit on your p.c and beat your chest but one  could be wrong , oh and by the way i look forward to your cutting and pasteing some more mayby you will progress to a Man From Gor and take me to your planet on your spaceship to this undiscovered world where our brother humans live    ffs give me a break lmfao oop's it will make more cutting and pasting for you .......i need an incontinent pad to read your reply's lol  and boi is mild compared to your poor attempts littered all through your reply's and it seems one apt word to descreibe your world and its veiw's has ruffled your somewhat thin skin , an old Australian saying boi " When your Balls Drop you will be ok "  ok .
                                        Regards
                                                    MasterLDeSade
 

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ORIGINAL: Mellissande

But physical punishments can be taken too far by an angry master or even a distracted one. If anything is physical in nature, There should be a safe word in place.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
(And this being off topic doesnt provide you with an excuse to spread your ignorance and stupidity here on the Internet, sparky)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin



Use of a safeword is a declaration of distrust: "you aren't paying attention to what you are doing and have now place my well-being at risk to the dgree I must use a safeword to remind you of what you are doing to me".

Defeats the basis for the relationship to begin with.

Instead of a "safeword", better to say "I quit, release me now."

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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin



Use of a safeword is a declaration of distrust: "you aren't paying attention to what you are doing and have now place my well-being at risk to the dgree I must use a safeword to remind you of what you are doing to me".

Defeats the basis for the relationship to begin with.

Instead of a "safeword", better to say "I quit, release me now."

What's the difference between release me now and red? Both mean the same thing. As far as reading your sub's body language, great but unless you're a mind reader you can miss things. What if she had fish for lunch and is suddenly feeling the symptoms of food poisoning? If you had the roast beef, you might not have the same problem and could miss the warning signs.

Safeword doesn't always mean stop now, frequently it can just mean there's a problem I need to tell you.

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ORIGINAL: PrincessEllie

I think safewords should be always applicable. The sub might be being diciplined, but they know that they disserve it if they did something wrong. The sub would hope that a Dom would only punish them enough to get the point across. But on the other side of things, if a Dom goes too far in punishment then the submissive should be able to tell the Dom so. The Dom needs to trust that the sub will only safeword when the need is dire. 

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ORIGINAL: PrincessEllie

I think safewords should be always applicable. The sub might be being diciplined, but they know that they disserve it if they did something wrong. The sub would hope that a Dom would only punish them enough to get the point across. But on the other side of things, if a Dom goes too far in punishment then the submissive should be able to tell the Dom so. The Dom needs to trust that the sub will only safeword when the need is dire. 

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ORIGINAL: TopinPa



Two things I want to make clear that I didn't in the OP; first, the slave to be I'm talking about is young and very inexperienced so just the thought of not having a safe word to her might make up 90% of her punishment. I realize to most subs/slaves pain is enjoyable, to her, not so much.

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ORIGINAL: PrincessEllie

I understand where you are both coming from Bobkgin and Stephann, but I should probably make myself more clear. I don't think that the sub should be the one to say when dicipline begins and ends, and my suggestion of allowing a safeword in dicipline is only for if something goes wrong, and I mean really wrong. It's not to be used when the sub gets unfomfortable. Bruises and crying usually come with dicipline, but sometimes things go wrong then as they can during scenes. And since the sub is most likely already bawling and begging forgiveness, a Dom might not know immediatly that something is wrong.

I know myself and many other subs know when we've done wrong and that we disserve all the punishment. We aren't happy when this happens, usually because we've failed out Doms. The punishment hurts us badly and we sob and beg forgiveness, but we take it because we need to learn. But, to use myself as an example, there are sometimes when (like in sceneing) outside forces interact within the dicipline process and call for a halt. I, personally, have a usually mild panic disorder, but strong emotions and stress set it off. If I started having a panic attack mid-dicipline (or scene) I would always need a way to communicate said emergency. As I'd already be sobbing and gasping for air, a Dom would probably not automatically notice my gagging and hyperventilation. And once I get into panic mode, I can seriously hurt myself (usually by bashing my head and limbs into walls and such and trying to claw off my skin.) In that situation, which is a medical emergency, a Dom would need to stop imediatly and go straight to aftercare mode to calm me down. All I was saying is that I think, because you never know what could go horribly wrong, that safewords be allowed in DIRE situations like that.

Sorry I wasn't clear before, I'm really sleepy and making little sense.

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ORIGINAL: PrincessEllie

I understand where you are both coming from Bobkgin and Stephann, but I should probably make myself more clear. I don't think that the sub should be the one to say when dicipline begins and ends, and my suggestion of allowing a safeword in dicipline is only for if something goes wrong, and I mean really wrong. It's not to be used when the sub gets unfomfortable. Bruises and crying usually come with dicipline, but sometimes things go wrong then as they can during scenes. And since the sub is most likely already bawling and begging forgiveness, a Dom might not know immediatly that something is wrong.

I know myself and many other subs know when we've done wrong and that we disserve all the punishment. We aren't happy when this happens, usually because we've failed out Doms. The punishment hurts us badly and we sob and beg forgiveness, but we take it because we need to learn. But, to use myself as an example, there are sometimes when (like in sceneing) outside forces interact within the dicipline process and call for a halt. I, personally, have a usually mild panic disorder, but strong emotions and stress set it off. If I started having a panic attack mid-dicipline (or scene) I would always need a way to communicate said emergency. As I'd already be sobbing and gasping for air, a Dom would probably not automatically notice my gagging and hyperventilation. And once I get into panic mode, I can seriously hurt myself (usually by bashing my head and limbs into walls and such and trying to claw off my skin.) In that situation, which is a medical emergency, a Dom would need to stop imediatly and go straight to aftercare mode to calm me down. All I was saying is that I think, because you never know what could go horribly wrong, that safewords be allowed in DIRE situations like that.

Sorry I wasn't clear before, I'm really sleepy and making little sense.

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ORIGINAL: PrincessEllie

I understand where you are both coming from Bobkgin and Stephann, but I should probably make myself more clear. I don't think that the sub should be the one to say when dicipline begins and ends, and my suggestion of allowing a safeword in dicipline is only for if something goes wrong, and I mean really wrong. It's not to be used when the sub gets unfomfortable. Bruises and crying usually come with dicipline, but sometimes things go wrong then as they can during scenes. And since the sub is most likely already bawling and begging forgiveness, a Dom might not know immediatly that something is wrong.

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I know myself and many other subs know when we've done wrong and that we disserve all the punishment. We aren't happy when this happens, usually because we've failed out Doms.

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The punishment hurts us badly and we sob and beg forgiveness, but we take it because we need to learn. But, to use myself as an example, there are sometimes when (like in sceneing) outside forces interact within the dicipline process and call for a halt. I, personally, have a usually mild panic disorder, but strong emotions and stress set it off. If I started having a panic attack mid-dicipline (or scene) I would always need a way to communicate said emergency. As I'd already be sobbing and gasping for air, a Dom would probably not automatically notice my gagging and hyperventilation. And once I get into panic mode, I can seriously hurt myself (usually by bashing my head and limbs into walls and such and trying to claw off my skin.) In that situation, which is a medical emergency, a Dom would need to stop imediatly and go straight to aftercare mode to calm me down. All I was saying is that I think, because you never know what could go horribly wrong, that safewords be allowed in DIRE situations like that.

Sorry I wasn't clear before, I'm really sleepy and making little sense.

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ORIGINAL: Stephann

p.s.

Don't tell Bobby that we're agreeing by the way, he might get cranky ;)word