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RE: I am only owned until........ - 8/18/2007 2:28:39 PM   
slaveluci


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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

Daddy and i discussed this recently after looking back at the first 12 months of our togetherness in this relationship. even if i tried leaving Daddy (why would i want to anyway), i'm owned by Him no matter the type of relationship i enter with another. if i'm disobedient, that wouldn't be the cause to terminate His ownership of me either. i'm basically owned until the time of either His or my death and we have agreed not seek a replacement Daddy or daughter.  

Sounds exactly like us, sambamanslilgirl, except that I don't have relationships with others.  Congrats on your relationship and happy 1 year anniversary............luci

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RE: I am only owned until........ - 8/18/2007 2:31:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with the above :)

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RE: I am only owned until........ - 8/18/2007 2:33:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
Brain damage. Himself would have to suffer some sort of cataclysmic injury to ever desire to dismiss me.  

Now that's confidence.  Hey, the truth is the truth, right?
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I don't engage in the sort of behavior which would get me dismissed because above all, I have to be true to my own nature and be the slave to him that I have been groomed to be. He has spent years bringing out my full potential in order to serve him as he desires. Now that the job is mostly done and in maintenance mode, it wouldn't make sense to let me go now that he's got me exactly where he wants me!

That is beautifully stated, Celeste.  "Maintenance Mode" - cool way of summing that up.
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I guess I can't answer the question, luci. I'm sorry, but I just don't know

But you do know and you did answer.  You don't engage in any sort of behavior to get you dismissed so it's not going to be a possibility barring that brain damage you mentioned.
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The only thing I do willfully is obey him and entertain him. If he doesn't like my sense of humor, maybe he'll throw some rotten tomaters at me and boot me out the door but it would be a shocker to me if he did so.

LOL.....great.  Thanks for your wonderful answer...............luci

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RE: I am only owned until........ - 8/18/2007 2:34:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is in my eyes a committment, a vow, like marriage, but in my own opinion, it is more, if you have both, then you are fortunate, but.......when you take that vow of being owned, unless certain circumstances allow, like abuse etc, as with any other relationship, it is an unbreakable bond for life. :) :)

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RE: I am only owned until........ - 8/18/2007 4:46:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		i was owned for five years and during that time if i did not want to be in his service all i had to do was ask for release and it would be granted.  He did not want a slave serving him where it wasn't in her heart and mind to do so.  We went through our ups an downs, especialy in the beginning as i had much to learn and understand about him and  he always told me how much joy i brought to his life and how much he valued my service to him.  i can remember asking him a few times, when i felt he was particularly displeased with me, "why do you keep me?" - His relpy was, "As long as i find value in owning you i will keep you"  i asked for clarification a few times but it was never forthcoming as it sounded ominous to me, for what could i do that would make my value less to him? 

The last year of our relationship i went through a very traumatic event in my life (not related to him) which almost cost me my life.  Obviously i wasn't able to be there like i was before, nor even in the same state of mind for a long while.  i asked for his patience with this, that i needed some time to get myself together and heal.  It was actually during a time in his life where something significant was happening so we both were extremely preoccupied.  He relied on me over the years as he incorporated me as a part of his life which meant bringing me into his business, it was difficult but i functioned because i had to, got all my work responsibilities done (including so much more then work like errands, house cleaning (we lived seperately), client contact, attending events etc...)  At any rate when things started to get back to normal (whatever that is) after i got out of the hospital (he never visited me once during my 2 stays).  i was still doing everything i always did only our relationship had changed.  Basically he told me i had released myself over those months.  i wrote him emails, i tried speaking to him but we never got back to where we were.  i know that tradgedy in my life affected me greatly but i functioned as best i could and never left him without the assistance he needed, i fulfilled all my obligations even if doing so on what i term "autopilot" - i did the best i was capable given the circumstances i was in.  i remembered his words to me (spoken years earlier) that he would keep me as long as he found value in doing so.  That was a very hard pill to swallow as it left me feeling basically valueless, but he very conveniently accepted all that i did for him in those months he left me in limbo.  This is why i have a problem with identifying as a slave.  i want and need definate boundaries and will never make myself that vulnerable or allow myself to be used in that fashin ever again. If i am doing the very best i am physically, mentally, emotionally can - there should always be value in that.  And if it's not enough, don't accept the service and have the balls to say - you're service isn't satisfying me any longer we need to part ways.  Anyway, enough ramblings - hope this answered your question - although i feel i did go off on a tangent - release is a sensitive subject for me.

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RE: I am only owned until........ - 8/18/2007 5:31:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		We are each in it because we choose to be so.  Should that really change for either of us we will not be.  That is the bottom line. What could make that change?  I've got no idea.  We haven't laid out a list of consequences or bottom lines and the like.  As to disobedience and such.  We are not a high protocol or high rules kinda couple.  In choosing to stay I also choose to surrender to him to the best of my ability.  And he knows that I will often turn myself upside down and inside out to do that.  Cause I choose him.  Cause I choose us.

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RE: I am only owned until........ - 8/18/2007 6:05:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		As Masters slave if I was disobedient then that would terminate our relationship. We have some deal breakers such as breech of trust that would also terminate my slavery to him.  It basically comes down to trust and obedience. If he breaks the trust it is over. Now various things can break trust. If I am disobedient once that isn't grounds if it is a pattern of disobedience which it wouldn't be a long one that is grounds for release.

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RE: I am only owned until........ - 8/18/2007 6:07:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I read through this thread, it was a great post luci, thanks.
 
I grew sad and finally I ended up very sad for velvetear's situation.
I am so sorry.
 
But I think it also reflects some on what is happening to me, tis where my saddness lies ~ I tend to emotionally sabatoge what we have at times and dont even realize it, until afterwards.  
 
Like sunshine, there are no rules for when our relationships ends.
We work on it together.    I would hate to be told the relationship ends when I am no longer of value. Been there done that and I almost did not survive.  I am of value and for another human being  to tell me I am of no value, to them ....  is very difficult for I would take it that I am of no value to anyone if not the the man I have entrusted everything.
I have extremely thin/sensitive skin on this subject.
 
I am not a slave.  I tried  and I hear other things about what my opinion is on that...but I am submissive and would not like to be a slave who is told or the arrangement  is such and such ~ then  the relationship ends......
 
You ladies are very strong to be able to go this route.
 
We work together..... I have never been so accepted, so cherished, so totally adored by a man before...let alone a Dom.....  and yes...he does know how to handle that part of me that begins to emotionally sabatoge us...... so like sunshine, I choose him, I choose us because he wants me.
 
great topic luci...damn ladies...you are so friggin strong !!  Salute.
 
 
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RE: I am only owned until........ - 8/18/2007 7:16:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi luci,

If I truly did not want to submit to him anymore, he would release me.  There were a couple of times when this was in question and he had me think hard about whether or not I really wanted to be here.  I did :)  I don't willfully disobey, but I have in the long-ago past (and a doozey at that), and he had consequences for me to pay which were quite unpleasant, but did not release me (obviously).  If he felt I had behavior that could not be corrected, he would think about letting me go.  Since I don't, and do not plan to, it is not a concern.

He makes it clear he prefers to keep me.  He is enjoying reaping the benefits of what he has invested in me.  But he will not keep me if I don't want to be here.  Since I don't foresee that happening, I'll go with Celete's answer of brain damage, lol.


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RE: I am only owned until........ - 8/18/2007 7:19:27 PM   
slaveluci


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ORIGINAL: velvetears
i was owned for five years and during that time if i did not want to be in his service all i had to do was ask for release and it would be granted.  He did not want a slave serving him where it wasn't in her heart and mind to do so

That certainly makes sense.
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We went through our ups an downs, especialy in the beginning as i had much to learn and understand about him and  he always told me how much joy i brought to his life and how much he valued my service to him.  i can remember asking him a few times, when i felt he was particularly displeased with me, "why do you keep me?" - His relpy was, "As long as i find value in owning you i will keep you"  i asked for clarification a few times but it was never forthcoming as it sounded ominous to me, for what could i do that would make my value less to him?

I can see exactly where you'd be coming from there.  As I mentioned earlier, the thought of never knowing when I might be released would keep me on pins and needles for sure.  "Ominous" is indeed a good word for it.
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i asked for his patience with this, that i needed some time to get myself together and heal

Certainly not too much to ask at all.
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At any rate when things started to get back to normal (whatever that is) after i got out of the hospital (he never visited me once during my 2 stays)

That says alot right there, velvet.  From the time I was about 19 until I was 23, I was involved with a much older man.  We were really close though we did not live together (totally vanilla as well).  I came down with a case of viral meningitis and nearly bought the farm.  He wouldn't even come to the hospital after I was out of the woods, so to speak, because he didn't like hospitals.  Awwww, poor him.  Needless to say, that had quite an impact on me.  It showed me how selfish he could be and it wasn't six months until it was over.  Especially after he had told me that if I had died, he wasn't sure he'd even come to the funeral.  Guess that would have made him uncomfortable too.  Geesh.  I think it says alot about someone who can't put their own discomfort aside to be with the one they say they love through times of suffering, sickness, or trial. 
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i was still doing everything i always did only our relationship had changed.  Basically he told me i had released myself over those months

See, that gets at the meat of what I'm seeking here.  He said you released yourself.  According to Master, that is not possible for me to do.  It's interesting to me what others can do/have done to be released or release themselves as he felt you had.
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i wrote him emails, i tried speaking to him but we never got back to where we were.  i know that tradgedy in my life affected me greatly but i functioned as best i could and never left him without the assistance he needed, i fulfilled all my obligations even if doing so on what i term "autopilot" - i did the best i was capable given the circumstances i was in

And, in my opinion, that's all you possibly could do.  Even though things weren't ideal, you still fulfilled your obligations to the best of your ability.  That should count for alot, in my opinion.
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i remembered his words to me (spoken years earlier) that he would keep me as long as he found value in doing so.  That was a very hard pill to swallow as it left me feeling basically valueless, but he very conveniently accepted all that i did for him in those months he left me in limbo

I can certainly understand how that must have been hard to handle.  You weren't too "valueless" while still doing everything for him all those months.  But then again, no one is "valueless" at any point, in my opinion.  His loss, velvet, for sure.
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This is why i have a problem with identifying as a slave.  i want and need definate boundaries and will never make myself that vulnerable or allow myself to be used in that fashin ever again

I totally understand.  You and I have spoken about this before (in general terms) and now I can most definitely see where you are coming from.  To expose yourself and become totally vulnerable and then be treated as you were has got to be very difficult to accept.  Going eyes wide open into another such relationship would be very hard if not impossible.
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If i am doing the very best i am physically, mentally, emotionally can - there should always be value in that

There is.
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And if it's not enough, don't accept the service and have the balls to say - you're service isn't satisfying me any longer we need to part ways

Exactly.

Thank you so much, velvet, for your heartfelt answer.  I am very sorry for what you've gone through and I respect you for having the courage to refuse to jump right into another such relationship to your own peril.  A lot of women - especially very submissive ones - need to submit so badly that they will enter into another not-so-good situation just in order to fulfill that need, knowing it's detrimental.  You haven't done that, it seems, and I commend you for that.  You are one strong lady and it was definitely his loss........luci

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RE: I am only owned until........ - 8/18/2007 7:23:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Master told me last week that until me He never considered not releasing a slave. previous to that He told me that if i did anything that would get a slave released He would beat me within an inch of my life to get me back in line.
He has released others  for major and minor infractions. i am His forever. this is what i need ,this is what He wants.
i cant run away He will come looking for me, i cannot be free ever again.
i'm a happy slave

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RE: I am only owned until........ - 8/18/2007 7:23:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: arayofsunshine55
We are each in it because we choose to be so.  Should that really change for either of us we will not be.  That is the bottom line. What could make that change?  I've got no idea.  We haven't laid out a list of consequences or bottom lines and the like.  As to disobedience and such.  We are not a high protocol or high rules kinda couple.  In choosing to stay I also choose to surrender to him to the best of my ability.  And he knows that I will often turn myself upside down and inside out to do that.  Cause I choose him.  Cause I choose us.

Beautifully and succinctly stated, rayofsunshine!  We aren't high protocol or high rules either and, like you, I constantly do my utmost to please and satisfy Him.  It's wonderful, isn't it?  Thanks for your great answer............luci

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RE: I am only owned until........ - 8/18/2007 7:31:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: shyinini 
I grew sad and finally I ended up very sad for velvetear's situation.
I am so sorry

I know.  Situations like that are definitely heartbreaking.  It seems so unfair.
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 I would hate to be told the relationship ends when I am no longer of value. Been there done that and I almost did not survive.  I am of value and for another human being  to tell me I am of no value, to them ....  is very difficult for I would take it that I am of no value to anyone if not the the man I have entrusted everything.
I have extremely thin/sensitive skin on this subject

I understand completely.  For anyone to assume that another human being no longer has any value is indeed the height of arrogance.  Perhaps he only meant no longer any value to him but that's still pretty arrogant, especially when he acted all mysterious about what exactly would cause her to one day be of "no value."  It would be like playing a big guessing game. 
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You ladies are very strong to be able to go this route

Doing it "right" is sometimes hard.  But I feel blessed to have the Master I do.  He makes it an absolute pleasure to serve Him. 
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We work together..... I have never been so accepted, so cherished, so totally adored by a man before...let alone a Dom
I feel ya!  Same here.
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great topic luci...damn ladies...you are so friggin strong !!  Salute. [/quote]
Thank you.  It has been very interesting to read everyone's replies thus far...........luci

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RE: I am only owned until........ - 8/18/2007 7:40:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie
Hi luci,
If I truly did not want to submit to him anymore, he would release me.  There were a couple of times when this was in question and he had me think hard about whether or not I really wanted to be here.  I did :)  I don't willfully disobey, but I have in the long-ago past (and a doozey at that), and he had consequences for me to pay which were quite unpleasant, but did not release me (obviously).  If he felt I had behavior that could not be corrected, he would think about letting me go.  Since I don't, and do not plan to, it is not a concern

.....same here, ownedgirlie.  I don't know why I'm so fascinated with this subject because, as you say, I don't disobey and I don't plan to.  I guess I just read so much about slaves who have been released or who speak about what would cause them to be released, and it just really intrigues me. 

Not because of disobedience, but there have been a couple of times when Master has also asked me if I really wanted to be here or if I had doubts.  Of course, I have doubts.  I'm human.  But no bigger than I'd have in any relationship and certainly not just because of our dynamic.  We both choose to be here too.  So, even if I had a choice, I'd still choose to be here, for sure.
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He makes it clear he prefers to keep me.  He is enjoying reaping the benefits of what he has invested in me.  But he will not keep me if I don't want to be here.  Since I don't foresee that happening, I'll go with Celete's answer of brain damage, lol

Yeah.  That was a great answer.  I'd have to concur as well.  Thanks for your answer.  I totally agree, as usual............luci

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RE: I am only owned until........ - 8/18/2007 7:47:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: favesclava
Master told me last week that until me He never considered not releasing a slave

And that's a good thing, right?
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previous to that He told me that if i did anything that would get a slave released He would beat me within an inch of my life to get me back in line.

Yikes.  Master has never stated it quite like that and I'm most sure the discipline/punishment/correction would not involve physical means.  However, what it would involve would be much worse and more effective for me, I'm sure.  He's quite diabolical when necessary
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He has released others  for major and minor infractions

It would be interesting to know what some of them were, especially the "minor" ones.  Yeah, I'm nosy.  I can't help it
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i am His forever. this is what i need ,this is what He wants.
i cant run away He will come looking for me, i cannot be free ever again.
i'm a happy slave

Congrats to you, favesclava!  That's how it is for me as well.  Thanks for your answer...........luci

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RE: I am only owned until........ - 8/18/2007 7:56:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		jealousy for one(i'm guilty of that one, but due to my inexperience i'mve been forgiven), stealing form Master, not following simple orders on purpose.
He has a slave who's been His for ten years one for two. His exslave still friends with Him. she was released because she couldnt deal with poly. a good girl, but He felt it was best for her to be released.
i will behave myself and not get that beating. in my journal i wrote of a mistake for which i thought i would def be beaten within an inch but He punished me mildly. next time it wont be so , so i will not ever do that again.
i am needed and craved (His words). i see forever in His eyes

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RE: I am only owned until........ - 8/18/2007 8:05:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slaveluci

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ORIGINAL: arayofsunshine55
We are each in it because we choose to be so.  Should that really change for either of us we will not be.  That is the bottom line. What could make that change?  I've got no idea.  We haven't laid out a list of consequences or bottom lines and the like.  As to disobedience and such.  We are not a high protocol or high rules kinda couple.  In choosing to stay I also choose to surrender to him to the best of my ability.  And he knows that I will often turn myself upside down and inside out to do that.  Cause I choose him.  Cause I choose us.

Beautifully and succinctly stated, rayofsunshine!  We aren't high protocol or high rules either and, like you, I constantly do my utmost to please and satisfy Him.  It's wonderful, isn't it?  Thanks for your great answer............luci


Is there something wrong with high protocol? It may not be for you but many others enjoy living that way. I'm sure you didn't mean it as a derogatory statement. High protocol doesn't mean less happiness for some.

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RE: I am only owned until........ - 8/18/2007 8:15:44 PM   
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Is there something wrong with high protocol?

Absolutely not.
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It may not be for you but many others enjoy living that way

Absolutely right.
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 I'm sure you didn't mean it as a derogatory statement. High protocol doesn't mean less happiness for some

Exactly.  Nothing derogatory meant at all, sweetnurse.  I simply responded to arayofsunshine's post.  Looking back at my response, I see where it might read "wrong."  I was trying to respond to two different things in one sentence and it read like I try to satisfy Him and it's wonderful because we aren't high protocol.  Didn't mean that at all.  Geez....you all are supposed to be able to read my mind and know exactly what I mean even when I don't type it just right. 

Seriously, I really never mention protocol or the use of lots of rules much.  The exception is when I'm talking about the one time I was disciplined.  The way in which I was disciplined was through the institution of several new rules.  This wouldn't be very notable except my Master just isn't one to have many specific, laid-out rules.  So, it really had the desired impact and effect on me. 

I have read many speak of high protocol and lots of rules as being the perfect arrangement for them and I say "Great.  I'm very happy it works for you though it's not the way our relationship operates."  I certainly meant no disrespect.  Thanks for your earlier post on this thread too, btw.  You guys make asking questions fun...........luci

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RE: I am only owned until........ - 8/18/2007 8:19:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: favesclava
jealousy for one(i'm guilty of that one, but due to my inexperience i'mve been forgiven), stealing form Master, not following simple orders on purpose.
He has a slave who's been His for ten years one for two. His exslave still friends with Him. she was released because she couldnt deal with poly. a good girl, but He felt it was best for her to be released

Thank you.  All seemingly very sensible reasons for releasing someone depending on the specific circumstances, of course. 
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i will behave myself and not get that beating. in my journal i wrote of a mistake for which i thought i would def be beaten within an inch but He punished me mildly. next time it wont be so , so i will not ever do that again.
i am needed and craved (His words). i see forever in His eyes

Again, congrats to you.  Thanks for satisfying my curiosity with your answer.........luci

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RE: I am only owned until........ - 8/18/2007 10:14:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW

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ORIGINAL: slaveluci

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ORIGINAL: arayofsunshine55
We are each in it because we choose to be so.  Should that really change for either of us we will not be.  That is the bottom line. What could make that change?  I've got no idea.  We haven't laid out a list of consequences or bottom lines and the like.  As to disobedience and such.  We are not a high protocol or high rules kinda couple.  In choosing to stay I also choose to surrender to him to the best of my ability.  And he knows that I will often turn myself upside down and inside out to do that.  Cause I choose him.  Cause I choose us.

Beautifully and succinctly stated, rayofsunshine!  We aren't high protocol or high rules either and, like you, I constantly do my utmost to please and satisfy Him.  It's wonderful, isn't it?  Thanks for your great answer............luci


Is there something wrong with high protocol? It may not be for you but many others enjoy living that way. I'm sure you didn't mean it as a derogatory statement. High protocol doesn't mean less happiness for some.

Unless i miss read...i didnt see anything stated that indicated either of these ladies said anything was wrong with High protocol.....just that their relationships were not High protocol.....again if i missed something i'm sorry...but i didnt see anything at all derogatory in them simply saying their relationships are not that way...


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