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ORIGINAL: spankmepink11
I believe  that  human, romantic love,  is based on,  and borne through  experiencing the human condition as a whole, together.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

His conjecture is that homosexual relationships are merely about sex and cant reach as deep as an emotional connection as a heterosexual couple because of their inability to have children. I was able to, at least, get him to admit that its possible for two homosexuals to have eros love for one another, but he views this love as shallow or lacking. His opinion is that the ability to create offspring is the pinnacle of human emotional experience and a couple that does not at least have this ability or can attempt to have children that are conceived of their own flesh and blood (not adopted) cant reach as deep of a level of emotional connection (or as he put it "True Love")

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Maybe, and one in the wrong place, but I'm comma happy myself.

I'd have written it as:

I believe that human romantic love is based on, and born through, experience the human condition as a whole together.

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ORIGINAL: Grlwithboy

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: Grlwithboy

Debating this is like putting "Do Jews bleed when you prick us" back on the table of debate. Some things are beneath argument, no?

Yes and no.

Yes, I find personally that this whole idea is ludicrous.

But, no, in real time with people I am developing friendships with, I try and give all viewpoints and arguments at least some openmindness and thought and at least think them threw completely before dismissing them on my first reactions.

I happen to like the guy. Even though he had his own opinions and own alternate viewpoints, he was at least respectful of mine and respectful of homosexual's right to have relationship.

He, at least, gave me the oppurtunity to explain my own lifestyle regarding dominance and sadist and even though he clearly didnt "get it", he didnt make fun of me, mock me, laugh at me, or call me a freak...even if it was clear that my own confession made him uncomfortable and made him leave the conversation a bit early for the night.

If I respond to him with indignation and mockery, then I wont ever make any progress in changing his viewpoints and would be throwing away a friendship that I would actually enjoy having. 

I guess. I have too much at stake to befriend anyone who thinks that I am not capable of real love and I have no faith in some people's viewpoints to change because of something I said. And it's people's prerogative to not get me, or to think something downright hostile to me, as long as they leave me alone.

I think in a case like this the respectful thing for someone like me to do is just stay clear and let them think whatever. Not considering something up for debate doesn't mean I don't respect the other person whatsoever, I just can't in any conscience respect the opinion held. While I respect the right to have it.

I also don't tend to make confessions about my sexuality around people I'm not pretty rock-solid with.

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ORIGINAL: sublizzie

There is a small group of ultra-conservative Christians who believe that if a woman is unable to bear children she is only of value in her abilities to babysit other people's children. She has no right to a romantic, sexual relationship with anyone (male because the idea of anything else is abhorrent). But this is a very small group. I'd say that you've run into someone from that small group.

Just my thoughts........

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross


Is it just me? or did that  last sentence have way too many commas...

Maybe, and one in the wrong place, but I'm comma happy myself.

I'd have written it as:

I believe that human romantic love is based on, and born through, experience the human condition as a whole together.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

In response to the high divorce rate, he said that those relationships were shallow to begin with and simply not meant to be together. He equated homosexual relationships to being on that same shallow level as a whole.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
Yes and no.

Yes, I find personally that this whole idea is ludicrous.

But, no, in real time with people I am developing friendships with, I try and give all viewpoints and arguments at least some openmindness and thought and at least think them threw completely before dismissing them on my first reactions.

I happen to like the guy. Even though he had his own opinions and own alternate viewpoints, he was at least respectful of mine and respectful of homosexual's right to have relationship.

He, at least, gave me the oppurtunity to explain my own lifestyle regarding dominance and sadist and even though he clearly didnt "get it", he didnt make fun of me, mock me, laugh at me, or call me a freak...even if it was clear that my own confession made him uncomfortable and made him leave the conversation a bit early for the night.

If I respond to him with indignation and mockery, then I wont ever make any progress in changing his viewpoints and would be throwing away a friendship that I would actually enjoy having.

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ORIGINAL: mbes
I just wanted to say that I admire the position you hold that disagreement on one issue isn't a reason to toss aside a potentially rewarding friendship. Good luck to you.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

I wanted to post this here since I think it relates to the Alternate Lifestyle scene in general.

Last night, I got into an interesting discussion with my co worker regarding homosexuality, their relationships, and alternate lifestyles in general. He is a conservative with some generally narrowminded viewpoints. For example, I mentioned in the course of the discussion that I was a sadist and a dominant and despite my attempts, I couldnt really get him to see past sadomasochism as being "self mutilation" (rolls eyes).

Anyways, he presented one particularly interesting argument that actually made me stop and think.

His conjecture is that homosexual relationships are merely about sex and cant reach as deep as an emotional connection as a heterosexual couple because of their inability to have children. I was able to, at least, get him to admit that its possible for two homosexuals to have eros love for one another, but he views this love as shallow or lacking. His opinion is that the ability to create offspring is the pinnacle of human emotional experience and a couple that does not at least have this ability or can attempt to have children that are conceived of their own flesh and blood (not adopted) cant reach as deep of a level of emotional connection (or as he put it "True Love")

What are your opinions on this?

Do you think there is connection between the ability to have children and the depth of our romantic love for one another?

Do you think its possible that homosexuals cannot experience love the same heterosexuals can because of their inability to even attempt to have a child?